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Cyber Glühwein und Lebkuchen - the German and Austrian advent thread

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admylin · 02/12/2012 11:24

A thread for anyone living in Germany or Austria, or anyone else who fancies a chat.

Happy first Advent to everyone!

Previous thread: here

OP posts:
adventkerzylin · 06/12/2012 11:03

cheas is your dsis staying over Christmas? So nice to have family to stay especially when the dc are small.

This year is going to be our first all-teen Christmas so probably a long lie and not much excitment! My family only think I should make the effort to go to them, no one ever thinks of coming this way.

nutella oooh, I wonder if nutellachen is getting into position ready for the big day? There won't be much room to move or change position now so this is his/her last chance to get comfy maybe and no chance of turning breech.

cheaspicks · 06/12/2012 11:05

sorry, x-posted.

nutella is nutellachen's head engaged yet? I wouldn't have thought babies would turn breech so late. DD was breech at every scan from about 24 weeks - she clearly preferred to be that way round!

hupa what an odd thing to do when you're ill! I don't know how effective handwashing is at removing viruses, but I would have thought that if she transferred bugs to the biscuit dough that the kids would get them when they roll it out/form the biscuits. Hope no-one does get ill from it.

cheaspicks · 06/12/2012 11:10

advent dsis is coming on Sat not tomorrow - I lost a day there for a while - and staying until 18th. It will be lovely for dd to have her around - dsis seems to be able to turn herself back into a child and get excited about the sort of stuff which bores me stupid. DD adores her, which is great as they don't see each other very often.

itsMYNutella · 06/12/2012 11:38

cheas no one else has guessed 3800g so thats all yours :)
During Monday's midwife poke she reckoned the head wasn't engaged, next Monday I'm sure the Dr will scan (because she can) and see how it's doing. Dr has pointed out hair to us on the scan too :) - on the baby's head. If it comes out hairy like DP a monkey we'll be staying at home for a while Xmas Wink

Thanks for the reassurance about Nuttelachen moving over advent and cheas. The poking by the ribs was a new one on me, it definitely wasn't feet so I was a little worried. After it's spent ages being so good and lying just right whenever anyone scans it, it is annoying that it is now preferring the right as there is slightly less room.

AntiqueMuppetsChristmasCarol · 06/12/2012 13:16

cheas Have a lovely time with your sister. I'm sure your DD will love decorating the Plätzchen with you. How sweet of your DH to put some chocolate in your boot as well as your DD's.

Nutella DS was a hairy monkey when he was born too but so was I I had no idea they could see hair on a scan! Hope the wriggling's not too uncomfortable - DS used to stick his bum right up into my liver all the bloomin' time when I was pg and it was really uncomfortable, but the Dr said he was just keeping his bum nice and warm!

advent I think the V&A Museum website has some nice gardening presents. I haven't looked for a while but I remember seeing some when I was looking for a birthday present for someone a while ago.
I can't believe your DH's work are still being funny about his bonus. Good on him for kicking up a fuss and for refusing to go to the Christmas do. Even if he had got his bonus the pork-based meal sounds a bit exclusive of the non-pork eaters anyway.

On a related note, I keep being surprised by hidden ham in everything I buy recently! I eat pork but don't like ham and it seems to be everywhere at the moment!

hupa FIngers crossed the heat of the oven kills all the bugs. What a strange thing for that mum to do. Maybe she just didn't think. Yuck!

outnumbered Grin at 'supporting my bank balance'. I'll definitely be using that one next time the credit card bill comes in and DH sighs, shakes his head and mutters 'Amazon...' under his breath.

Ploom Sometimes the price difference is ridiculous, isn't it! I find it usually works out cheaper to buy from the UK Amazon & to pay the P&P to Germany and the credit card charge than to buy from DE Amazon - the difference in prices is usually at least ?10. Madness!

Linzer Hope your friend is better soon and that it's nothing too serious.
I really like the word Sackerl! It sounds nice for some reason.

We're moving into the house tonight (provided we can get the heating working) and I am nowhere near ready! We're not moving the furniture until the weekend and we aren't handing over the keys to the flat until mid-January so we have plenty of time, but I'd like to try and get most of it done before we go away for Christmas so we don't have it hanging over us while we're away.

My brother has sent me his old Blackberry in the post and it should arrive within the next few days so I'm hugely excited (and becoming massively impatient). Come on postman, hurry up!

hupa · 06/12/2012 18:01

antique Definitely make sure the heating is working before you move in. It´s really cold now and meant to be getting colder at the weekend. I bet you can´t wait to be in.

The dc have just arrived back with a carrier bag full of chocolate and sweets. It´s traditional here to go round the local shops and businesses wearing a Nikolaus hat , say a Spruch and get given lots of sweets. I was Shock when I saw how full the bag was - we haven´t even got that many shops here. Surprisingly, it´s really nice things like fun size Mars, Twix and Bounty rather than the horrible boiled sweets they get given at Karneval. I´ll definitely have to help them eat it all - it would be far too unhealthy if they ate it all Grin.

outnumberedbymen · 06/12/2012 21:55

linzer with us it wasnt just MIL openly saying 'are you hoping you'll be having a girl this time around?' actually in general we got very odd reactions to the third pregnancy, people seemed to be generally assuming that it wasnt plannend. How much more planned can you get - the gaps between ds1 and ds2, and ds2 and ds3 are both exactly 20.5 months?! Grin I tend to not - obviosuly show - until quite late in pregnancy, so when our next to neighbour finally realised that maybe I hadnt just been putting on weight (I was 27 weeks pregnant with ds3) she was lost for words, didnt know what to say apart from 'oh that's....that's....' until I helped her out 'fantastic? courageous?' I always found it really interesting how people seem to be most honest and invade your privacy most when you are pregnant.

hupa Shock at that mum at your dd's school! the first thing that crossed my mind as soon as I read that she got up and made the dough despite having a tummy bug was '...so that everyone can have a taste of what she's gone through the night before?' very odd indeed.

nutella i only remember my youngest brother to be a bit smelly in his teenage years, and then the poor boy had 3 older siblings telling his to use the shower. oh, and my guess for Nutellachen is 3950g if it isnt taken yet Xmas Smile

right really wanted to write a longer post but ds3 is hacking away upstairs and has just been sick because of it. think I will have to take him back to my second home (aka the paed's) tomorrow morning. sigh.

outnumberedbymen · 06/12/2012 22:17

Another P.S. from me... I really must read my posts before submitting it. Far too many typos... Got ds3 in bed with us now but he still can't stop coughing. Hope we'll get some sleep at some point.

tadjennyp · 07/12/2012 05:45

Hello - glad you all had a lovely Nikolaus! The going round the shops and getting sweets seems a bit like Halloween here! I do feel a lot better thank you but I still have a hacking cough.

Good luck with the house move antique - I hope it goes really smoothly.

I'm going to guess at 2900g nutella if I'm not too late.

Have a wonderful time with your sister cheas. I'm sure your dd will really appreciate having her around too.

I must have missed where you said why your dh is not getting his Christmas bonus advent but I feel Angry on his behalf. Why the bloody hell not? I really hope he finds a job elsewhere soon, for all your sakes.

Did I read correctly that your dh is also looking for a job outnumbered? Fingers crossed for him too.

People also wondered whether dc3 was planned, especially as I had one of each then. In fact, I think my dcs are all pretty much the same age as grinch's and the same order! I think it's a really small world in general and funny that outnumbered has been to Bend and we were both at the same gig in Cardiff! Crater Lake is indeed gorgeous, but we've only been once and got there ten mins before the sun went down!

I hope you all have a great Friday! Dd has the day off school as the teachers are writing reports Hmm so I've invited a friend over to keep her occupied. Bye for now Xmas Smile

LinzerChristkindlmarkt · 07/12/2012 06:55

A DC3 is never planned. You either have one of each, in which case there's no need for a third, or you have two boys/girls and desperately want one of the other sex. Hmm outnumbered My MIL was the most blatant, with remarks such as "Let's hope it's a boy this time", but reactions were very different third time round and lots of people asked whether it was planned. The four friends of mine who had an unplanned DC3 all had age gaps of between 12 and 16 months, but people often seem to assume that if you're pregnant before the older sibling is 2, it must be unplanned.

Antique Hope the move went OK!

cheas Have a lovely time with your sister.

Jenny Glad you're feeling better. I wish we got written reports rather than a list of grades, although I wouldn't be so keen on the DC having a day off school for the teachers to do so! DD1 only has a couple of hours this morning as her school has an open day - which she's very happy about as Friday is normally her longest day, with seven hours/lessons.

adventkerzylin · 07/12/2012 07:19

Linzer 7 hours on a Friday is tough and I wonder how good the concentration levels are in the last couple of lesson. Does she have to carry 7 subjects of books that day too?

I'll be honest - I only had 2 dc because I had mine 16 months apart and it was so exhausting that I knew I wouldn't manage a third. I always wanted 3 or even 4 but probably only in a fantasy world where I would have 2 sets of doting grandparents on the door step and an easy to manage house or ground floor flat atleast (living on the 3rd and later 2nd floor with babies is hard work too) - oh and maybe a dh who didn't work 7 days a week.

jenny dh didn't get his bonus this year because his contract was renewed at the beginning of this year which (in their pay roll books) makes him a 'new' staff member and new employees don't get a bonus the first year. Absoloutly ridiculous to say he's new when he's been there over 3 years but his boss and the boss above her both forgot to mention it so he went through as new in the computer so both Sad and Angry.

outnumbered hope your ds can get something to help his cough and you got abit of sleep atleast.
hupa any sign of tummy aches? Hope not,
antique how was the first night in the house?

Dh is having his own private Christmas party at our place tonight so 3 of his students and a technician are coming over for a meal and drinks! They're all nice, two are German, one Bulgarian and one Chinese!

LinzerChristkindlmarkt · 07/12/2012 07:33

Did you find a present for your dad yesterday, admylin?

Hope the private Christmas party goes well - it sounds like it will much nicer than your DH's official work party (and I'm assuming you're not asking your guests to pay for their own drinks Grin).

I think seven hours is far too long without a lunch break; they get a 20 minute break at around 10 am, and that's it. Their last lesson is PE and I'm surprised they have any energy for it - although I suppose at least they don't need to concentrate like in a normal lesson. Theoretically they can leave the books they don't need for homework in the classroom (they all have cubby holes at the back), but DD1 insists on carting everything about with her and her school bag is ridiculously heavy.

adventkerzylin · 07/12/2012 09:29

Linzer no I didn't get anything yesterday. The Baumarkt I went to had nothing that I could have sent by post or that looked remotely like a gift. Anyway, on the way back I got a bottle of Ouzo just in case and I might give the garden pressie idea one more chance at the weekend in a different shop.

Dd's dyslexia training is cancelled today. She will be glad as she's off to a sleep over at her friend's house so she can set of earlier and then they're getting up early and going into the city tomorrow to get the Secret Santa presents! I think they're heading to Primark as you can definately get something in there for 3?.

I'll have to go to the bank before she goes to get some cash (again) to give her as I want her to go into C&A and get herself some jeans too as she's bursting out of two of pairs that I'm sure I only bought a while ago. Saves me having to fight my way through the crowds if she can do it herself. I now just have to convince ds to go and get his own jeans and shoes (yep, winter shoes too small already) but I doubt he will be willing!

Ploom · 07/12/2012 10:13

Morning! Been chatting all morning on skype and now mumsnetting - maybe I should get off the computer at some point before the dc come home Wink.

advent - isnt it amazing how quick they greow out of stuff. How big are your ds's feet now (I remember you saying before he had large feet). Hope the private party goes well - will probably be more fun as he wont have to be polite to the evil boss and pay money for food he doesnt eat.

linzer - I agree 7 lessons is a long time to be at school with only one break. Even though dd is at the ganztagschule she only has a maximum of 2 lessons before they have a break and they have nearly 2 hours in the middle of the day with no lessons.

My dc3 was also unplanned - there is only 22 months between dc2 & 3 - and I can say that I have no great recollection of the first year of ds2's life. It was all just a blur of juggling dc's needs. But they are such amazing friends now and I'm glad he was a boy as I'm not sure they'd have been so close if he'd been a girl. But my tubes are well and truly tied now so there's no chance of adding dc4 to the family.

jenny - glad you feel better.

outnumbered - how's your ds3 today? There seems to be so many bugs going round. 2 of my dc are coughing and snotting all the time but not sick enough to stay home. Maybe we should all plan to hibernate this weekend & see if we can all get well.

hupa - never heard of that tradition. Sounds like Halloween but I suppose the religious people are more likely to give sweets since its a religious tradition (unlike the Unchristlich (?sp) tradition of Halloween - thats what one old man in the village shouted at me dc!). Have fun "helping" them eat their supplies!

antique - Grin hope the house move went ok - its so good that you've got the time to slowly move stuff across . Hope it'll be a fab Christmas in your new house.

cheas - have a fab time with your dsis and hope she gets on ok writing her dissertation. I'm sure your dd will have a fab time with her.

nutella - I have no idea if a baby can turn breech but I wouldnt have thought there was enough room by this stage for it to turn so much? Thats just my thought tho and I have no actual knowledge about it. I'm going to stick with my original guess and hope the doc's guesstimate of a smallish baby was right.

Have got our village Nikolaus party this evening - we will all have to have all our clothes on at the same time - its not got above -4 yet and thats in the day. Thankfully there'll be Glühwein to warm me up (and Punsch for the dc) so it should be fun.

adventkerzylin · 07/12/2012 10:20

ploom freezing isn't it? My ears nearly fell off just walking across the carpark at Lidl today! Get your thermal undies on for the Nikolaus do and enjoy the Glühwein! Speaking of which, I remembered about getting myself some for tonight and bloomin Lidl only had non-alcoholic Kinderpunsch stuff so I will have to look later when I go to the bank.

Depending on the make of shoe ds is in size 43 or 44 Shock and that at age 14. I don't know how that can be as his dad is only a size 41 to 42 and I'm size 39! I now have to look up at him when I want to speak to him too!

outnumberedbymen · 07/12/2012 10:24

Hey! just got back from the paed's. apparently ds3 has got a whooping-cough-type infestion. not whooping cough itself, as he is immunised, but the same type of bacteria. anyway, he's on antibiotics now so hopefully his terrible coughing fits will get better soon. last night he was sick several times from coughing so much Sad

Fingers crossed the others dont get it!

ds3 is in bed now and I think I will have a little snooze myself.

LinzerChristkindlmarkt · 07/12/2012 10:43

outnumbered Poor DS3; DS also gets coughing fits that make him sick, and they're just horrible. Hope you can get some rest now.

advent Hope you can find some Glühwein soon! I had my first mug last night, and very nice it was too. Grin
Shock at size 43 or 44 shoes - how tall is your DS?

Ploom Does your DD have lessons in the afternoon too? Ganztagsschule is going to be introduced in Austria at some point, but as far as I can tell it will basically be lessons in the morning and then Nachmittagsbetreuung - unless the majority of parents and teachers agree to verschränkte Ganztagsschule ("proper" all-day school), and I just can't see that happening.
Enjoy the Nikolaus party! I find the cold here much more bearable than in the UK, so as long as you're wrapped up well and there's plenty of Glühwein I'm sure it will be fine. Smile

Right, must get off the computer as DD1 will be back any minute.

Ploom · 07/12/2012 10:59

advent - wow a size 44! That'll be ds1 probably - he's in a 39 & he's only 8. Hope you get your Glühwein Smile.

outnumbered - hope your ds3 feels better soon. Enjoy your snooze.

linzer - dd has lessons 8.00 - 11.15 then from 11.30 - 12.15 does homework. She then has free time till 2pm (not sure of the exact time) and then has lessons till 4.10. In her free time she gets a warm lunch & can do some activities. Until the 8th class they're not allowed out of the building to go into town etc which I quite like. She loves the whole set up & has violin lessons, does drama & is part of the school newspaper. Its been a wholly positive experience so far but cant imagine it would be so good if the afternoon was just Hort.

adventkerzylin · 07/12/2012 10:59

outnumbered poor ds3. Hope the antibiotics kick in soon and he feels better. Have you tried a warm cherry stone cushion on ds3's chest or upper back? It can help to ease the pain from so much coughing.

Linzer not sure how tall exactly but he's heading over 170cm I'd say. I'm only 165cm! We keep hearing about Ganztagschulen in Germany too. Not sure if the schools go into it with alot of planning beforehand though. In Berlin the Europaschulen are Ganztagschulen and my 2 went to the Portugese Europaschle (but in the normal class so non portugese and only had half days) but in the afternoons the women who were in charge weren't very pädagogisch (is that a word) and didn't seem to be trained in anything more than supervising the play ground.

adventkerzylin · 07/12/2012 11:02

ploom just goes to show how world apart Bavaria (organised) and Berlin (chaos) are!

A friend in Berlin who had older grown up dc said in their school time over the years, Berlin had changed the system about 3 or 4 times trying to be innovative and capital city leader types but it just messed up months and months of her dc's schooling.

outnumberedbymen · 07/12/2012 12:38

advent Shock at your ds shoe size. I thought ds1 had big feet. he is in size 31-32 at 5 years so I guess not really that much larger than average.

I have had a little lie- down and am feeling refreshed now. Good thing dh is home; he can look after grumpy ( but now still sleeping) ds3 while I go to kiga to pick up ds2 and his little friend ( whose mother forgot to take her to ds3' birthday party on Tuesday)

I did try the cherry stone cushion last night with ds3, but he was wriggling a lot. I also put a wet towel over the radiators - that's supposed to help too isn't it? I'm glad I took him back to the docs. I usually wait quite long until I do. There are always times when I seem to be constant there. I'm sure you'll all have the same. The paed today greeted me with the words 'ach hallo Frau outnumbered! Hatten Sie Sehnsucht nach mir?' Grin

Anyway must go and do the kiga run. Lots more snow here so we'll probably end up playing outside. Brrrr

tadjennyp · 07/12/2012 17:28

Hello, just wanted to write a quick post and ask adventkerzylin if you'd seen the Royal Horticultural Society for gardening gifts? I wasn't sure where you needed to send them. And that is such a shit and dismissive excuse for not giving him a bonus. Angry

Hope you are all having great Fridays!

tadjennyp · 07/12/2012 17:33

Thought the dcs friend had arrived but he hasn't yet. Glad you are feeling refreshed outnumbered and hope your ds feels much better soon. I'm fed up of the cough and I'm apparently grown up! It's horrible for little ones.

7 hours without a break would be too long for me, never mind a child!

Time for more coffee I think. We watched another episode of Elementary with Jonny Lee Miller and Lucy Liu last night. I recommend it! And I have nothing erudite to add to the thread!

TheUKGrinchImGluhweinkeller · 07/12/2012 17:53

Ploom how fast was that! Junior Monopoly arrived already! I have to confess I only did the bank transfer this afternoon, as to my shame I actually have never bothered setting things up so I can do it myself, and the tan code goes to DH's mobile! If I posted that (explaining what a tan code is) on some parts of MN certain types of MNers would have a field day I think Shock

Jenny yes I think our DCs are all very close to the same ages and definitely in the same order.

My DC3 was semi planned - as in I really wanted a 3rd from when DC2 was almost 1, but DH really didn't, so we weren't going to, but then after I had a botched and failed attempt to have the coil fitted and said that I was not wiling to go in and have it done in hospital under anesthetic, as the doctor suggested, given that I actually wanted a DC3, he said we should "wait and see" for 6 months and if I wasn't pregnant re-consider ... and a few months later DC3 was on the way :) I would have preferred a smaller age gap from DC2 to 3, as the 2 years between the first 2 works well for us, and I find a 3.5 year gap gives a feeling of 2+1 children, if that makes sense...

Hope Advent's DH has a good alternative work Christams do, I'm sure it will be more relaxed and fun than the official one!

I have forgotten what else I have read... Ploom and Advent's Ds's both have big feet :o DH has size 47 so I'm expecting my boys will have big feet too :o but at the moment DS1's feet are size 31, which is the same size as DD (/) but not actually that big for 5 and 1/4 especially compared to Ploom's 5 year old (though he is at the bigger end of the scale of his friends, and had the biggest feet of the boys who he took bowling for his birthday even though 2 were older - they had one each of size 31,30,29,28and 27, which amused me, small things, not getting out much etc. :o ) DD has a male friend who is 8 and who was here the other day and forgot his gloves and I was going to offer him DS1's but his hands are huge - he ended up wearing mine and filling them out too... not idea what size his feet are, but I'd bet at least 35 or 36.

DH is in bed with the flu today, which is a double :( as tomorrow is his work Christmas do tomorrow in a hotel in the alps - and whole families are invited for a free night in a posh hotel with spa - they'd booked us a suite Shock and I'd even bought a dress Shock and we had to cancel :( Ah well, worse things happen and all that :) No Christmas bonus here (he has never had that extra month's pay thing with any employer, is that common?) but the do was a generous offer...

DD is hugely disappointed about not going, we have had 2 separate big outbursts of tears over it... (though she kindly saves them for me in the car etc. so DH thinks I am exaggerating...) but she has been rather tired and emotional lately, feel like something might be going on, but maybe she is just literally tired - she has had on and off tummy ache for 3 weeks and I finally took her to the doc yesterday to be told she had slightly enlarged glands and has probably been fighting off a virus, I had been putting it down to not drinking enough, which she is a terror for, and perhaps also a mix of a bit of mild stress and a bit more excuses! It turns out though that the root of her disappointment about not going away for the weekend is that her teacher reads out the best weekend diaries that they write on Monday, and she has done special things the last 2 weekends and had hers read out, and she was counting on having something really exciting to write about on Monday to get that read out too!! She is quite an exhibitionist - after 4 weeks of learning to play the recorder she spoke to DS1's KiGa teacher on Monday and offered to play Christmas songs on the recorder for his group, and so she went into KiGa and did that today, straight after school (which finished at 11.20am today) - she looked like the pied piper standing on a bench in the snowy garden playing to an assembly of smaller (and in some cases not really smaller) children! Funny girl that she would want to do that - I'm proud of her courage more than her recorder playing tbh, though she did well enough and the KiGa teachers have asked her to play at the "Waldweinacht" evening on 16th :)

Wanted to say outnumbered in answer to a question you asked ages ago -I wouldn't especially say I like living in the country, I grew up in the country and hated it once I reached 11 or so, but then I didn't go to the local school so felt rather isolated, which I hope will not be the case for my kids who are very integrated. DH won't contemplate living in a flat though, and to afford a house we have to be well outside Munich. We moved in a big rush for DH's work - had 4 weeks once we agreed to accept the offer, and I had a business to wind up and a house to sell (luckily the timing was right for that, just before the crash!) so the in-laws found us the house from a newspaper ad and we moved in without having seen it before hand! The house is fine and the landlord suits us (we only hear from him if we contact him to fix something) but the location hit me hard at first - I'm kind of used to it now and the kids are settled so we are unlikely to move any time soon, given we can't really afford anywhere that suits us better - and there is a playground right next to the house (even though there is literally nothing else but 50 or so houses and farms, and lots of fields, for miles)!

Wiffle wiffle, must stop and get the kids to bed in a minute anyway! waves at everyone I forgot, again...

TheUKGrinchImGluhweinkeller · 07/12/2012 17:59

Oh yes get well soon outnumbered's DS3! Poor thing with such a horrible cough :(

7 hours school with only a 15 min break is crazy! DD only has 3.5 hours (4 lessons) of school twice a week, that's with 1 fifteen minute break, but twice a week she has 5 lessons and once a week 6 (lessons not hours as lessons are 45 mins) and on the 3 longer days she gets 2 breaks.

DD wants me to write Xmas Smile

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