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Is the cost of living really so much more in Australia?

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shrimponastick · 04/09/2012 15:40

Was just watching 'Wanted Down Under' - and the family were calculating their daily living expenses.

After adding up the costs of shopping, utilities etc they were significantly worse off compared to living in the UK.

I was just interested if that is really the case? Don't your shopping/eating habits change accordingly?

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emmyloo2 · 05/09/2012 04:17

Yes it's more expensive but wages, from my experience, are significantly higher. We were living in the UK and I was earning around 62K, Here I earn significantly more. My husband is the same. We are Australian and are both professionals but we are so much better off here than when we were in the UK simply because the job market here is so much stronger. I don't think utilities are more expensive. I found gas in the UK over winter expensive when you are running the heat. Here in the winter we don't have internal heating but airconditioning does get expensive. Fruit and vegetables and food is definitely more expensive as are clothes. It's a very restricted market so local retailers really take the piss and charge us lots more. I buy a lot of stuff online as it is significantly cheaper.

However, overall we are way ahead here. Plus the weather is sooo much better!! Smile

emmyloo2 · 05/09/2012 04:18

and I spend around $250-$300 a week on groceries. $750 sounds outrageous! Where are you people shopping???

[Mind you it's only my DH and I and our 22 month old so perhaps it would be double if we had a couple of older kids??]

Mosman · 05/09/2012 04:48

We have three adults, three kids and one in nappies. Plus of course we were starting the pantry from scratch so no spices or herbs or frozen food.
$500 is usually made up of $170-200 in meat alone though chicken is more expensive than steak in Perth.

Mosman · 05/09/2012 04:53

We have three adults, three kids and one in nappies. Plus of course we were starting the pantry from scratch so no spices or herbs or frozen food.
$500 is usually made up of $170-200 in meat alone though chicken is more expensive than steak in Perth.

tryingtoleave · 05/09/2012 04:55

Wtf do they make chicken out of in Perth?

tryingtoleave · 05/09/2012 04:58

I have spent under $200 three weeks in a row at aldi for two adults and two children. (very pleased with myself because not so good at budgeting). But today I had to go to franklins to get some special stuff for sil, and spent $180 on hardly anything. And I forgot to get juice boxes. I will have to do another proper shop.

Arana · 05/09/2012 05:01

I live in Brisbane.

If you are earning in ozzie dollars, you HAVE to ignore the exchange rate. Dh earns 2.2 x what he did in the UK, so we use the 2.2x modifier, which is pretty universally used.

We pay $1200 a year for gas, electric and water. We don't use the air con other than occasionally (for when it's above 30 degrees at 9pm) as we have a high set house and make the most of the passive ventilation. We use the BBQ for lots of our cooking, and a $28 bottle of gas will last us about 3-4 months. We still cook in a similar way to when we were in the UK (when we were absolutely piss poor) where we'll batch cook a curry/spag bol/chilli and freeze it. The advantage is that we have space for a bigger freezer in Aus.

In the UK for the same period last year we were paying 150 pounds a MONTH for our gas and electric.

I'm astounded at how much people spend on food here. In an average week, we'll spend $60 in Aldi, $30 for fruit and veg at the local Charlie's fruit market, $20 on meat in the butchers, $60 in Woolworths/Coles and then probably $10 on lunches and about $25 on a takeaway or fish and chips at the beach. This is for two adults, a 3 and 5 year old (the 3 year old is in nappies) and two cats. I'll sometimes do a $30 top up shop as well, but not always. We never buy fruit, veg or meat at the supermarkets, it's just too expensive. Any fruit, veg or meat we do buy is in season. I got a side of lamb (a shoulder, a leg, 6 chops, 8 forequarter chops and some ribs) for $25 from the local butcher the other day - good quality, new season local (well, same state) lamb. If you don't believe me, I'll happily email you my receipts :)

My weekly travel to work and back costs $40. We live a 15 minute walk from the nearest train station, where the trains run ever half an hour to the CBD. The equivalent commute from our old house in the UK to Leeds city centre would have cost 35 pounds, or more if I had to get a bus at either end. (Brisbane has an integrated transport system so costs are per journey, not per leg of each journey - I could get the bus to the station for no extra cost if I wanted, but I prefer to walk.)

Our initial outlay of buying a car was $32k - the equivalent car in the UK (Mazda 6 estate) is 16k pounds, so not much difference using the correct modifier rather than exchange rate, although we bought the car with UK savings, so it could be said we lost out there. Second hand cars hold their value much better in Aus, but in comparison last much longer than UK cars. We live in suburban Brisbane and have no need for two cars, any more than we had a need for two cars in the UK.

For clothes and homewares I shop in Target, Big W and Kmart, with the odd shop at Myer and David Jones (whereas in the UK I would have shopped at the supermarkets and Primark, with the odd shop at M&S and Next).

Our biggest expense is daycare. We're on a 457 visa so get no rebate from centrelink. We pay an average of $80 per child per day, but that is one of the factors with both parents working. It would be the same in the UK as we never had family nearby to babysit. We are applying for PR soon, and as soon as that comes through we will get a 50% rebate on our childcare.

You only have to pay for schools in NSW - education in the other states and territories is free, although like people have said, uniforms aren't cheap ($22 for a school polo, $16 for school shorts) and for DS in prep we have to pay $90 to cover his materials.

People see what they want to see, and you'll find the grass is greener on the other side of the world - the longer since you've been in the UK, the greener the grass is over there (and not just because we've had no rain in Brisbane for 45 days ;) )

Arana · 05/09/2012 05:04

Oh, I forgot a couple of things...

Medical - I have to pay to see the GP, but I get a medicare rebate which leaves me $25 out of pocket. I have a problem with my hips at the moment which requires specialist cover. I had an MRI (with a week's wait) and a specialist appointment - together they cost $280.

tryingtoleave · 05/09/2012 05:08

I pay $130 a day for childcare in Sydney Sad. Having dd here costs me more for three days than a week a bilingual preschool in Canberra cost me for ds.

It would never occur to me to eat fruit out of season. I never have. For me the year is marked by mandarins, apples and oranges in winter, then strawberries in spring, then mangos pineapples in summer, stone fruit and then around again.

Thumbwitch · 05/09/2012 05:12

Impressive regional variation then! Shocked at the WA cost of chicken... perhaps they don't farm them over there so there are higher transport costs?

Your utilities/rates are pretty low, Arana - lucky you! That amount wouldn't even cover an annual electricity bill in our area in NSW (well it would ours, but only because we've spent out £10k on solar panels) - be lucky to get half a year elec for that :( And then we'd have water on top (no piped gas, we have a cylinder for our oven and so far need to change it about every 9m, but I don't know how much it costs).

Our butcher is generally cheaper than Coles or Woollies, but not for lamb - it's fecking expensive down here. Again, probably due to transport costs?

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differentnameforthis · 05/09/2012 05:57

Sorry to hear about Sunny! Hope she is ok!

differentnameforthis · 05/09/2012 06:15

You only have to pay for schools in NSW Not true. I pay $250 py for dd (9) & $90 per term for dd2 kindy.

differentnameforthis · 05/09/2012 06:17

Arana I don't know where you get your info re schooling. I know people in almost every state here & they all pay for schooling (public). We are lucky in that we don't have to buy a book list for either of our girls yet, but we still pay school fees.

BalloonSlayer · 05/09/2012 06:33

It has never seemed all that expensive to me whenever I have been there, but then I stay with my sister and she is a tightarse lives quite frugally despite being rich. Her house is probably worth the same as ours but is a million times better. Of course I do not pay utility bills when I am there or have any idea how much they are.

One thing did strike me. We were talking about teeth and braces. Her DD's braces had cost about AU$3000 and she was saving for her DS's as his teeth were awful, and clearly going to need much more work. She reckoned about AUD$7000. She was gobsmacked when I said that my DS's teeth were "almost certainly bad enough to have done for free" back home - they look nothing like as bad as her DS's. Obviously she is English and knows all about the NHS but it still took her aback.

Thumbwitch · 05/09/2012 06:42

There has been recent discussion about making affordable dental care available to poorer people in Australia (or possibly in NSW, I can't remember if it was a federal or state discussion) because costs are prohibitive, unless you have expensive health insurance, and even then it's still expensive. Lots of people are choosing not to bother with dentists because of the cost. Some places already offer free dental exams for children - we have a polyclinic close to us that does - but the waiting list is huge (>3m wait for a check up)

BalloonSlayer · 05/09/2012 06:46

My sister isn't poor though Thumbwitch - she's loaded. Grin She got that way because she saves like mad - good for her! We wouldn't count as poor over here. She was just aghast at what we got for free here.

Thumbwitch · 05/09/2012 06:52

Ah no, I wasn't meaning for your sister - just it prompted another thought about costs of living here. :)

echt · 05/09/2012 07:00

I'm on strike today.

I think the don't compare rule is a good one, as is buying fresh food seasonally.

One of things about Australian utility bills is the size of the houses. Big rooms. Usually a detached house. That terrible Australian window glass, wafer-thin. And the gazillion little downlighter bulbs where you have to turn on six of the feckers when one would do the trick.

Apart from this diatribe against Aussie building, I'd like to see comparative bills for a detached house in the UK. UK houses are warmer because they're usually at least semi-detached, often terraced.

Health bills are a worry; I'm having all my dental work done while I still have the insurance and am still in work.Sad

shrimponastick · 05/09/2012 07:47

Thanks all for replying to my question. Interesting reading about the reality of the cost of living in Australia.

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savoycabbage · 05/09/2012 08:07

Hi Echt! I am teaching too now. Only casual teaching but I'm really enjoying it. My youngest is at school now! Sad

echt · 05/09/2012 08:36

Gosh, savoy, such a little little girl when I saw her last. I know what you mean about the Sad. DD is in Year 11 now, doing well but sooo grown up, in a teen-age stylee.

Good to hear you've got the teaching and liking it.Smile

jo1958 · 05/09/2012 09:08

I was interested in this thread as my son is thinking about emigrating and I've also been watching 'Wanted down under'. For comparison, we live in a 1930s detached house with double glazing and wall and loft insulation. Our fuel bills total about £800 per year. We do both work full time but run lots of machines like tumble dryer etc. Our water bills are £14 per month on a meter. I think they're pretty low for the UK: I don't do cold, though!! Our bill is on a capped rate but would obviously be higher if we were home more.

echt · 05/09/2012 09:33

Most Australian houses are not double-glazed. I have never used a tumble drier in the UK or Oz, but I have had laundry/utility room with radiator/ducted heating, in the relevant country.

With bills here in Oz, you find the standing charges are high if you use less.

Fuckers.