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NadiSel · 07/07/2012 09:07

Hiya all,

Found this site exceptionally brill! Unlike other sites you actually get reasoned answers rather than rants.

I'm moving to Wesembeek-Oppem in Belgium soon with hubby and kids in tow. I'm after any good and recent advice on what things are like in this part of the world. I've been reading the comments about schools, especially BSB and St Paul's. What I would really like some info on:

  1. How do I go about getting a landline into the house - in the UK normally I've gone onto the Internet to join a company or call them. But I will have no Internet or landline until I get them - chicken and egg! Is there any good packages? I intend to do minimal voice calling, and instead use Skype once I have got broadband.
  1. Regarding TV - can I bring my Freesat box and is the TV signal off a TV aerial or cable?
  1. What modifications will I need to make to my UK car if I bring it over and how quickly will they need to be done - is there a grace period? Is it better getting European Insurance from my current Tesco insurer or should I get it from some Belgian company?
  1. I know there is lots about schools on this forum, but does anybody have personal experiences of either BSB or St Paul's - if so what were they like. Good value for the money or not?
  1. I want to join the boys into a football club - is there any around that are cheap!
  1. I intend to be travelling back to the UK to Warwick at every School holiday with the family - what are the cheapest/best modes of travel?

Really sorry for all the questions - any help would be appreciated :-)

OP posts:
Longtime · 07/07/2012 13:03

I'll post this on our fb page and I'll be back in a minute.

natation · 07/07/2012 13:22
  1. How do I go about getting a landline into the house - in the UK normally I've gone onto the Internet to join a company or call them. But I will have no Internet or landline until I get them - chicken and egg! Is there any good packages? I intend to do minimal voice calling, and instead use Skype once I have got broadband.

Landline with either Belgacom or Telenet. You can choose before moving and set a date for installation once you've moved, I'd do it at least a month before moving date. Just put down a hotmail/yahoo account and mobile number for contact. You can pick up internet at various places around Brussels before moving, to contact Belgacom or Telenet before moving. You will get BBC1 and BBC2 and lots of English news channels with both company's basic packages, get ITV and other BBC channels with more expensive packages. Pretty similar pricing really, look for special offers.
www.wezembeek-oppem.be/fr/themes/habiter-et-construire/entreprises-dutilite-publique/telephonie,-internet-et-television.html

  1. Regarding TV - can I bring my Freesat box and is the TV signal off a TV aerial or cable?

Yes you can bring your freesat box, TV signal is from cable, or satellite or use a sling box - for that option I am completely ignorant but there is Benelux mumsnetter who uses this method, if you join our closed group - just send me a pm.

  1. What modifications will I need to make to my UK car if I bring it over and how quickly will they need to be done - is there a grace period? Is it better getting European Insurance from my current Tesco insurer or should I get it from some Belgian company?

You officially have 6 months to re-plate, if you are going to be residents. Your usual insurer will probably only insure a maximum of 90 consecutive days outside the UK even with extended EU cover (no you can't pop back every 90 days either). There is a specialist insurer called Stuart Collins which will sell you a 365 day policy with Axa and it's the only policy I know you can buy in the UK which covers a UK car which is living 365 days in Belgium or any other EU country. Expect twice usual UK insurance cost for this Axa policy, if you want to take you chance at not getting caught by Belgian Customs or Police and not re-plating - get caught and you will 100% be fined and made to re-plate and backdate it to beginning of year, so don't get caught in December either! To re-plate, well it's a small hassle. Biggest cost will be Belgian insurance, again several mumsnetters can recommend brokers here to find you the cheapest policy, expect 3 times UK cost of your insurance, throw a party if it works out less than that. If your car is very new, you might have a switch that adjusts the lights immediately, in which case no modifications are necessary. If you don't have a switch, look on ebay or similar for left hand lights for your car. Ours cost around 200 euro and we paid someone 50 euro to fit them, but you can do this yourself. Look up the cost of road tax too, it can be less than 100 euro or more than 2000 euro per year. What car do you have and what engine and fuel is it? I can tell you the cost if you say this information. This might really put you off bringing your car, or you might be pleasantly surprised and it cost less than the UK.

  1. I know there is lots about schools on this forum, but does anybody have personal experiences of either BSB or St Paul's - if so what were they like. Good value for the money or not?

They 2 totally different schools, similar pricing, impossible to compare. Are you paying yourself? There are also other English alternatives. How old are your children and how long will you be here for MINIMUM and possibility of extending too? A local school might be as suitable and has also advantages. There are lots of extra-curriculars at St Paul's and also BSB open to non students, so keeping up English and attending a local school is easy peasy here. Wezembeek-Oppem has 3 excellent local French schools and an excellent local Dutch school, but Wezembeek is around 80% French speaking overall.

  1. I want to join the boys into a football club - is there any around that are cheap!

Lots around, in English, French and Dutch, from as little as 100 euro per year or 300 euro per year, depends on level of intensity and age group.

  1. I intend to be travelling back to the UK to Warwick at every School holiday with the family - what are the cheapest/best modes of travel?

It depends on how many adults and the ages of the children. Under 4s free with Eurostar. Usually a family group of 2 adults and 2 children over 4 will be cheaper by ferry/tunnel by car. 1 adult and 1 child might just be cheaper by train.

Finally, I am being very pedantic, Wezembeek-Oppem is not in Brussels. It's a commune/gemeente in the province of Vlaams Brabant which has special "facilities" for French speakers as it is an officially Dutch speaking area. But in practical terms, the area of Wezembeek west of the ring road at least feels very much like it is in Brussels. Don't dare call it Brussels to any right-wing Flemish political party member.

Longtime · 07/07/2012 13:26

I've been here so long that things have changed re getting landlines etc (I would have had to wait for three months to get one had my neighbour not worked for Belgacom!!). Here's the Belgacom (our equivalent of BT) website in English. You'd have to get a line from them. www.belgacom.be/onetelco/be-en/zonewelcomepage/zwp_res_products_and_services.page

We have our internet with them and get more or less free Belgacom TV. Portofino works for Belgacom so could give you more advice but she's on holiday at the moment.

Here's the telenet website : telenet.be/5/en/residential?gclid=CMKx06DFh7ECFaEhtAodERtMAw

and here's another one, Scarlet: www.scarlet.be/fr/ (page not available in English)

I have never compared any of the packages to be honest because my dh is self-employed so it was always easier to stay with Belgacom.

TV is digital. My sister-in-law used to have an aerial but then could only get Belgian channels on it. We used to have cable. Everyone I know has a tv/phone package so I'm not sure if cable is still available. I don't think the Freesat box will work here but I'm sure someone will be along to let you know if that's true or not. Again, Portofino seems to know lots about all these things!

Longtime · 07/07/2012 13:26

I've been here so long that things have changed re getting landlines etc (I would have had to wait for three months to get one had my neighbour not worked for Belgacom!!). Here's the Belgacom (our equivalent of BT) website in English. You'd have to get a line from them. www.belgacom.be/onetelco/be-en/zonewelcomepage/zwp_res_products_and_services.page

We have our internet with them and get more or less free Belgacom TV. Portofino works for Belgacom so could give you more advice but she's on holiday at the moment.

Here's the telenet website : telenet.be/5/en/residential?gclid=CMKx06DFh7ECFaEhtAodERtMAw

and here's another one, Scarlet: www.scarlet.be/fr/ (page not available in English)

I have never compared any of the packages to be honest because my dh is self-employed so it was always easier to stay with Belgacom.

TV is digital. My sister-in-law used to have an aerial but then could only get Belgian channels on it. We used to have cable. Everyone I know has a tv/phone package so I'm not sure if cable is still available. I don't think the Freesat box will work here but I'm sure someone will be along to let you know if that's true or not. Again, Portofino seems to know lots about all these things!

Longtime · 07/07/2012 13:32

Sorry, forgot to click the convert links automatically box!

I found this on the contrôle technique (MOT) website:

Attention, les véhicules provenant d?Angleterre devront faire adapter leurs phares afin qu?ils correspondent aux normes belges, adaptées pour une conduite à droite de la chaussée.

So yes, you have to get your headlights changed but it doesn't say how long you have to get it done. You also need a certificat de conformité européen which I would expect you have amongst your car papers.

My boys finished their education in the British School but as you are asking between BSB and St Paul's, I presume your dcs are much younger than mine. Natation's the one you want to talk to.

There are loads of cheap after school activities. It shouldn't be a problem finding a football club.

For a family, car and tunnel/ferry would be the cheapest. Trains and planes are only worth it for individuals as they can be very expensive.

Longtime · 07/07/2012 13:32

Oh I see natation's already here! Waves to natation!!!

natation · 07/07/2012 13:37

Freesat can be used here if there's already a satellite dish or if you install one. A little info is available here, but whatever you decide DO NOT GO with this compay, TV from Home, they will fleece you silly for installation of a freesat system, do your own purchasing of equipment and install it yourself, of find someone else other than this company.

www.freesatinbelgium.com/

Most people I suppose use cable for their Belgian TV channels, but you can channel the signal through internet too I bet. For UK channels, cable, satellite or internet signal.

Many Flemish and Dutch TV channels are in English with subtitles. The childrens' Flemish and Dutch TV channels are generally in Dutch will around 8pm and then they change into English with subtitles. My kids dive me mad, they watch one show in French, then turn over and watch it in Dutch (they have passive Dutch it appears), at 8pm they can watch in again in English on the Flemish/Dutch TV!!!!

natation · 07/07/2012 13:44

Oh I forgot the CERTIFICAT de CONFORMITE, an absolute must and you should fingers crossed get it for free from the UK where you purchased the car or from the UK branch of the manufacturer. IF you ask the Belgian branch of the manufacturer, without doubt you will be charged for the same certificate.

Here's a nice link. The actual importation cost, so long as it's not a brand new car, will be something silly like 10 cent!!! You pay this to Belgian Customs. Of course then the other charges like if you have to change headlamps, increased insurance costs, road tax (which can also be less).
belgium.angloinfo.com/transport/vehicle-ownership/importing-an-eu-vehicle/

natation · 07/07/2012 13:45

LOL cars coming from England..... so Scottish and Irish and Welsh cars, what about those???

natation · 07/07/2012 15:16

Just looking at internet/TV/phone packages, they are so so difficult to compare price wise, Telenet fails to include for example the ?99 euro one-off cost of the HD TV decoder or the ?15.70 a month additional cable subscription when it quotes just ?31.75 a month for their internet/TV/phone package!!! I don't think the 21% VAT is included in those prices either. So it's 31.75+15.70 cable subscription = ?47.45 a month, then after 6 months it increases ?10 to ?57.45 and possibly add on the 21% VAT and also add on ?99 for a set top box. Or you could go for basic internet at ?24.95 a month, add on ?30 one off activation fee. Or you could go for basic telephone at ?20 a month, add on again a ?30 activation fee. Add internet and telephone and it's ?44.95 a month, ?60 total activation fees, and again I think there might be VAT on top of these prices. It's almost worth paying the extra few euros for the digital TV!!!! There is only one company per commune for connections for phone/TV/internet by cable, for Wezembeek it's Telenet, the other big company you see advertised are VOO but you can't use them.

Scarlet have an internet/TV/phone package for ?51 a month, I guess the closest package to compare with Telenet's ?47.45 a month one (which will increase to 57.45), but you don't get free international calls included in that price with Telenet. I'm not a geek and not at all knowledgeable really on these things, but I am assuming that Scarlett connects with the ADSL lines subcontracted from Belgacom? Come in other mumsnetters???

Belgacom is the former telephone monopoly company like BT was in the UK. Its basic package of internet/TV/phone is ?55.95 a month, coming in just ?1.50 cheaper than Telenet! Or for just internet/phone, ?43.95 a month, again just ?1 less than Telenet. Add on ?1 a month to the Belgacom prices for unlimited international calls to the UK. Oh look, when you add on the international calls, the difference in 50 cents between Telenet and Belgacom for internet/TV/phone!!!!! And if it's only internet/phone, the pricing is then identical.

So remove TV package and you save ?11 a month, you could replace it with Freesat but you might have high one-off satellite dish costs. It depends on whether you want French and Dutch channels and limited English channels or only English channels.

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