Will our OZ VISA application be rejected?

[ODearMe]

Hello all

We are currently in the process of applying for PR in OZ. The application is based on my husband's points. He cannot provide a job reference from an employer who is qualified (employer does not have the relevant qualification in the field he is trying to get points for). He left on a bad note with his previous firm so cannot get a reference from them, and even though he has 3 shining references from his current employer, the process has deemed him unsuitable unless he can get a qualified reference. Is there a way around this or do you think we will be access denied?

I hope to hear from anyone who can help?

Thanks

You need to provide exactly what they are asking for as otherwise yes it will certainly be rejected.
I have Australian PR, got it in 2008 and it was nightmare and we went through agent and kept having to provide more and more info they was asking for.
But yes you need the references to provide the number of years experience in said field.
They cant give bad refernce, just ask them to state when he worked there, how long for and confirming what he did and will need to be headed paper and needs to be extremley specific!! they are extremley strict!!!

Good luck

Thank you for taking the time to reply Kelly14! Are you in Oz now? Where did you locate and how are you going (as they say!)

No i am in uk right now.
Moved out november 2008 and moved to sydney (first glasdesville and then lane cove - just over anzac bridge in city centre so not far about 15 mins) with my dd and ex, unfortunately split up straight away! oh well lol
stayed up until last july 2011 and back in uk for a bit but will be moving back to sydney sometime next year with dd (her dad is still there and doing his citizenship for him and our dd in oct)

Was very very very expensive is all i will say and grass not always greener but i am still going back so that says something lol

You poor thing, it must have been a terrible time to split up straightaway while being so far away from home. I am intrigued as to what made you decide to call it a day; was one of you more keen to be there than the other? The reason I ask is that DH is the driving force behind it and i said i would compromise at going out there for 2 years tops. Did your ex grant permission for you to take your DD back to the UK? What is inspiring you to go back there?

Hey, its not a very nice story unfortunately but in short i got with an ozzie guy i met out one night which caused the break up and he turned out to be an absusive monster, i was beaten by him at nearly 20 weeks pregnant, lost huge bond on my apartment as he had punched holes etc, it was a nightmare. My parents came out and as i had just been in hospital very ill over the whole miscarriage (i then got a 17 cm blood clot in my arm, which had to self inject clexane for 6 months and will always have to when i fly) and convinced me i had to leave otherwise he would end up killing me.

I was a terrible mum at the time to my darling daughter and all i cared about was him which disgusts me now.
So pretty much all my time in oz was blighted by this, the things i went through and the way he treated me i wouldnt wish on my worse enemy, so when i look back although i was in amazing country i have no real good memories, it literally feels like a dream( or nightmare) when i look back as i wasnt really living.

I had travelled oz before when younger with my bro and dd's dad so have lived there about 4 years in all and i do love it and i want to go back to enjoy it this time and i dont want to waste all the money and effort it took to get my PR lol

in regards to my daughters dad, no he didnt give permission but he wasnt really bothered to be fair which makes my blood boil to this day!!! all he cares about is getting stoned and partys every weekend and he never used to have much in oz and if he did, he would make out he was doing me a favour by babysitting.

In march he came over with his girlfriend so had been nearly a year since he had seen our daughter, firstly he arrived 2 days after her bday which i though a little slack but let slide.

2 days later he went to amsterdam with his gf for 4 nights without our dd.

Out of 3 weeks he had dd to stay 2 nights at his mums (where they was staying which is 2 mins from me) and even though i begged all of his family most weekends that i could please get a night off as had not been out in forever they wouldnt.

He took my dd disney paris for 2 nights where she had to share a bed with him and the gf who she had never seen previous to this

He told her she couldnt buy me or her friends a gift as i hadnt given her pocket money (this coming from the person who pays f all child support and hadnt seen her in year!!)

Oh and i got pair of gf's dirty knickers back in with my daughters stuff lol

Then he went to spain for a week with the gf leaving dd with me lol

So no he wouldnt have ever tried to stop me as he couldnt last a few days with her he is that selfish

sorry think i neede that rant..lol

Oh. My. God!! I am in complete shock at the whole situation, no wonder you need to vent - that is a terrible terrible situation to have experienced. Just to clarify, was the abusive monster the Ozzie guy or your ex? I really hope your return to Oz is a more positive one and your dd's father realises his priorities in life. All the very best x

No i moved out there with my daughters father, had been together nearly 10 years at time (am only 29 now) and one night found loads of the dreaded facebook messages to lots of girls and so for me it was over. i went out with my aunt who came to see me (she was mid 60's at time so wasnt some young party, but i did live opposite huge pub..lol) and met this guy and went in feet first, biggggest mistake of life.
You ive and learn i am over it now, just very sad my daughters dad makes no effort ( oh and he was my brothers best friend from pre school, so known each other whole life, family holidays together etc, my brothers best man blah blah blah so been very hard for everyone to see what a different person australia has made him, and the few english people i met and was close to who was married and came out with children also spilt up within same time period, it definately a very trying time and alot of pressure) this is not everyone i dont want to put you off, you just really have to make it work as whole different world when you away from everyone and everything you know

God Kelly what a nightmare!

Op I think you will need the reference. They will just send it back if it's not complete.

honestly nightmare didnt cover it, i swear to god last year before i left i had the worst luck ever, it was literally one major thing after another, even my friends could not believe the bad run i had, i can look back now and say its made me a better stronger person (and by god i must of p**d someone off royaly in a past life lol)

The fact i was pretty much alone a million miles away and went through hell and got through it makes me appreciate everything so much more and i love oz and so i will go back i just wont be being an idiot again lol

Good on you (as they say ) When things happen and you have no family to help you out, it makes you feel very vulnerable.

I used to work in Lane Cove. 'twas a long time ago now.

Are you using an agent OP or doing it yourself? Definitely don't send in an incomplete application, there is no such thing as "winging it" in a PR application - you need to provide EVERY piece of paper in exactly the format they want giving every piece of information they require or it will be rejected. Not being able to provide evidence of length of time employed in a particular occupation if this is the category you are applying under is a total deal breaker.

I thought that employers can't actually refuse to give a reference? It may just be an "X was employed as a Y for Z years kind of thing" but this may be all you need. I can understand that your DH may not want to approach a company he left on bad terms but it might be worth just taking a deep breath and doing it. Obviously it's more difficult it it's not a firm with a HR department.

What a nightmare kelly14, I hope you have better luck this time round!

We had a similar issue, OP, in that I'd left my job to go to a competitor and they were not happy. I'd deliberately got a reference before I left, but it wasn't in the correct format/didn't have all the information required.

Our agent advised me to get as many different people as I could who'd known me in that job to write testimonial letters detailing what I'd done. So I got letters from colleagues, former colleagues, competitors, a professional body etc., about 10 in all. I also wrote an account of the background (including the fact that I'd had to send a lawyer's letter to the MD's wife for slandering me).

In the end, the former employer actually wrote the letter I needed, so I didn't need all that.

savoycabbage, where did you work?? small world.lol

I live in cope street dont know if you know the cross roads where on 2 corners there where petrol garages but i lived just there so just a short drive to lane cove centre where coles etc was, i really miss it thinking about it lol
Was a pain though as daughters school was in gladesville and i worked in roseville so back and forth everyday in traffic, wouldnt get home some nights till 8pm lol

oldnewmummy, yes we had to do lots of this kind of thing, was very diffiicult for us as due to my parents living abroad (dubai) me and ex lived in their house in uk, all bills were in parents name and paid for by them via dd so we had no bills etc in both our names, had never rented previously together. (we travelled oz for a year and i came home pregnant with our dd - so he moved in with me) so we had to provide all our oz trip stuff together, all family holidays snaps etc, tax credits we had as joint, had to get stat decs from his parents, had to provide invites and cards from friends etc it was nightmare.

To be honest we was luckily we did it when we did as think now its even harder and to this day i dont know how 'I' (yes i did it all not the dippy ex lol) did it, although his job came under a skill on list we got through on pure luck. My ex worked for virgin media as sky, tv, phone installer so nothing special and no real qualifactions as such, i had to draft the letters and just get him to get employers to sign it but these came back from agent rejected a few times and had to re-do numerous times.

Should of known it was set to fail with dd's dad, after living in parents house rent and bill free for 3 years when we finally left for oz we had not a penny saved!! my parents paid for all our flights, he went out 3 months before us to get a job and houseing for us!
Well we got there and he had job but nowhere to stay (he was in room the size of broom cupboard) my parents came with me so got an apartment is Taylor Square at the cost of $2000 a week!! yes a week!!! we then found brand new place in gladesville which my parents paid 6 months rent up front for us, but still he never saved anything in that time! they also kitted out our whole apartment with everything as we didnt ship anything, then when we split he took loads of stuff lol

i definatelty pick them lol

All said and done i miss it and want to go back though, i have just enrolled on a law degree now though so will go for trip next year and get a Return Residents Visa for another 5 years and then see what happpens.

Sunnydelight - yes we have an agent managing the process for us.

The latest with the reference is that DH has been in touch with his previous employer (he said they went quiet when he told them who he was!) and HR have agreed to give him a reference confirming what his job title was and the period he worked there from and to. So there should not be a problem after all in this instance.

I think a part of me was excited of the possibility we might not get in; my DH is driving the whole idea, spoken about it for years on end, and I feel swept along with it. Have eventually caved and have compromised at 2 years because let's face it - you dont know until you give it a go. Regret the things you have done rather than the things you havent etc etc. And we will not sell our house in the UK so having a base here is reassuring of our return.

Thanks for taking the time to reply all of you. Best wishes

Kelly14 - hope the second time around brings happier times out there and hope the law degree goes well!

ps. for those of you that think it is strange i said i was excited for not getting in, i mean it on the grounds that the decision would be made for us that we were not going, not because I put my foot down and said no!

That's good news OP!

I know you haven't asked this, but can I give some advice from my experience? If you do end up going, throw yourself wholeheartedly into the experience and think "I need to make a go of it" rather than "it's only two years then I can go home". Every expat I know has the wobbles, usually 6-12 months in, but those who then end up living their lives like a countdown to freedom are generally pretty miserable. I'm probably one of the happiest expats I know here as it was total no going back from day one so I HAD to make it work.

If you are close to family it is particularly difficult, and even with well paid jobs holidays back can be hard to achieve, especially if you have full fare paying kids. I don't know where'd you are thinking of going but do your homework carefully as some places, eg Sydney, are very expensive and a common expat "mistake" is to start off somewhere you can't really afford but then get settled so you don't want to move.

On the plus side though it really is a fantastic place to live and raise a family. The economy is a hell of a lot better than Europe at the moment, I'm sitting outside on a lovely sunny Winter's day where the temperature is pretty much the same as your Summer (though we've acclimatized so are chilly ). It's certainly worth a fair go.

Hi Sunnydelight, thanks for your welcome advice, I think what you say about going for it and not putting life on hold and counting down to freedom is very valid. It will be like putting off happiness is what you are saying.
We would want to live in Melbourne if we go to Oz.
Why was it no going back for you? I assume you are from the UK - do you miss it? Do you find it a wrench being away from family?
Sounds marvellous that you are able to enjoy sunshine in your winter. Back in the UK, we are mid summer and it is like Autumn, grizzly and grey!