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What do i need to know about living in America?

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PooPooInMyToes · 28/05/2012 19:49

Just that really. Don't even know where to start!

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howdoo · 29/05/2012 02:23

Start with the visa - what kind are you planning to get/what is your situation?

NatashaBee · 29/05/2012 03:04

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NeitherShreddedNorSmug · 29/05/2012 03:17

I agree - healthcare package, and education for any DCs - children here start full time school later, so friends who have moved with 3 or 4 year olds have had their child at home for most of the day. And if you are moving back to the UK later on you need to think about older children/GCSEs as a high school diploma is not compatible.

Think about where you will be living too - big cities are cosmopolitan, but you do not have to go far to find deeply conservative parts of the US.

Nevertheless, it's a great experience and I recommend it!

CaliforniaLeaving · 29/05/2012 04:38

I think at the end of the day you need to know that it costs just as much to live here as in UK, more in some areas.
Gas is cheaper, but you have to drive further.
Houses might be cheaper, but the property taxes are more.
Food looks cheaper, but if you want to eat healthy it costs more.
There are other costs that aren't needed in UK, such as Health care, medical, dental and optical. It isn't just a monthly bill on top of your payment to the insurance company, you will pay co-pays and have total out of pocket costs for the year, and that you pay a percentage of all the bills for any treatments until you get to that total out of pocket amount. Sometimes it's many thousands per year.
Schools aren't really better just different.
Sports and other kid activities cost a lot.
Paid time off work is pathetic, most only get one or two weeks per year off and have to work a full year before getting any time off. Part time don't usually get any paid time off at all.
The grass isn't greener, and the streets aren't paved with gold no matter what anyone says.

PooPooInMyToes · 29/05/2012 09:22

Regarding visa, my partner is possibly going to be relocated there due to his work so i would imagine they would sort out the visa. I know they sort the green card. Do you need a visa as well? Would i just go as an extension of that? Would i be allowed to work?

Not sure which part of America yet. Probably a cosmopolitan type area, wouldn't want to live anywhere conservative!

I would assume he would get some sort of healthcare through his job? Would that cover me and the kids?

So what age do they start full time school? I have a 3 and a 6 year old. Little one is in part time nursery and older one is in year one. Do they get free nursery like we do here?

Didn't realise there wasn't much holiday pay.

Also don't understand all that out of pocket and co-pays stuff California! Sounds complicated!

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nipitinthebud · 29/05/2012 09:53

I went over for a few years pre-kids. It was a great experience. His job should sort out the visa and I would think you would be covered on that. If you wanted to work you would have to sort out your own work visa. I had friends that found it difficult to get work while their partners were working as you/the company used to have to show that there was a good reason why they should employ you rather than a similar American citizen. Easier probably to sort out a job before you go rather than try and pick something up over there - and probably easier if you're a professional of some sort. (If you happen to work in academia you can (or used to be able to) go over for 3 years and be paid tax free as you were doing a 'service to humanity' or something!)

I had 15 days, my DH had 10 days. But if your DH is coming over from the UK with a UK/American company he may be able to keep his UK entitlement (friend's DH had that). Healthcare wasn't all that complicated (if through a work plan - which would be a dealbreaker otherwise I'd think) - you pay a premium for the insurance monthly from your salary and then you pay a co-pay (just like our car insurance excesses) if you want to visit a Dr, or you want to get a prescription (might be a % of the total or might be a standard set fee - but might be capped at a certain amount, over and above you would have to pay. And some things aren't covered. A friend of mine had a baby - normal pg, normal labour and it was around £3-4K whilst on a very comprehensive medical insurance package. But not everything is hugely expensive - I had an MRI and I don't remember the cost being large at all).

WhatWouldJoanJettDo · 29/05/2012 10:10

Work visas are extremely difficult to get, so I wouldn't plan on being able to work here. Your husband would get a visa, not a green card, and visa would be dependent on his job - if he loses his job, he'd also lose the visa.

Kids start elementary school here at 5 - as far as I know, that applies to all states. Pre-school is definitely not free - it can be very expensive. Churches can sometimes offer cheaper options.

And healthcare is a pain in the bum - I'd assume that your husband's work would insure you all, but you still have to pay premiums and co-pays, and some things can work out to be very expensive. I'm still in shock over the $100 prescription I was given for strep throat, and that was in 1994. Dental co-pays in particular can be very expensive.

PooPooInMyToes · 29/05/2012 10:35

I think realistically i would only be able to work part time and not at all at first. I don't feel it would be at all fair to my children to be working as soon as we got to a new country. So not able to sort job out before we go.

If for eg i were to write a novel whilst there but have it published in England would that count as working and would i need to pay tax there or in the UK on that?

Or the same question if i were to continue working freelance for my British clients whilst there etc?

$100 for prescription! Was that with insurance? How does anyone afford that!? What about children, do they get anything health related for free?

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NatashaBee · 29/05/2012 11:16

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PooPooInMyToes · 29/05/2012 11:59

So if i live in the us i am legally forbidden from doing any work whatsoever?

That seems harsh. Im guessing that doesn't apply for eg if you own a company in England but move to America for a while? I am registered self employed in the UK so does that mean i have to unregister and give up my clients before i go?

No we are not married. Can i not be counted as a spouse on a visa otherwise?

He is not being transfered, it would be a new job. So i don't know what sort of visa that would be? The company are specifically looking for people from the uk and would pay relocation costs so i assume they would be fairly helpful.

Can you explain the main differences in the L1 and L2, H1 and H4 visas?

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PooPooInMyToes · 29/05/2012 12:01

So i guess the green cards are for people staying permanently? Didn't realise that. Don't think we would stay more then a few years at the most although you never know.

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PooPooInMyToes · 29/05/2012 12:02

Sorry, just read the last bit. They can pay for green cards? So you don't have to earn them by living there so many years? Its so confusing!

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PooPooInMyToes · 29/05/2012 12:18

What about if i spent so many weeks of the year in the UK? Would that make any difference to my being able to work freelance in the US for my UK clients?

What about my book? Does that really mean that if i am living in the US i can't get my book published?

What about if it were published before i left but i was receiving royalties whilst in the US? Would that count as working?

Sorry for all the questions?

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NatashaBee · 29/05/2012 12:56

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PooPooInMyToes · 29/05/2012 14:37

No its a new company.

I doubt we would stay for good so not too worried about where we would be on green card list.

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NatashaBee · 29/05/2012 15:30

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PooPooInMyToes · 29/05/2012 16:18

Blimey 10k! Is that typical?

How long does it take to get a gc if you are already work there? What is the difference between that and the right to stay permanently? It a different thing isn't it?

No its a new company. They might have an office in the UK as well, not really sure yet. They have said they would sort out the relocation and green card was mentioned. The gc mention was by the agency though who may of course be talking rubbish!

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mrsjavierbardem · 29/05/2012 16:26

Basically get the Healthcare situation clear absolutely without doubt, in writing and to your satisfaction. It is a massive issue, it's what a lot of Americans spend their lives thinking and worrying about.
The NHS ain't perfect but most people here do not know they're born!
I lived in the states for years, great place to be if you're rich, but if you're poor , I'd rather live here!
Great to go for a year or two but just don't get ill.
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PooPooInMyToes · 29/05/2012 16:41

So does anyone know what counts as a good healthcare package by US standards?

Thanks for all this help by the way!

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NatashaBee · 29/05/2012 16:46

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Hopandaskip · 29/05/2012 17:37

Healthcare is completely crap here, even if you have a 'good' plan you end up paying through the nose. You pay monthly, you pay every time you go to the dr, have a test run, anything. It is pretty much impossible to truly figure out what you are going to pay if you do anything more than see your regular dr. It is a lot of stupid jumping through hoops too. For instance, my kid had to see a specialist podiatrist (sports). He had to see a regular dr first (not normal with our insurance). So I paid for that visit. Then had to go elsewhere for X-rays. Turns out although the clinic we went to for the X-rays is covered under our insurance, the dr at the clinic wasn't so that cost us a fortune. You pay for the dr, for the X-rays and for your treatment at the clinic -- plus a large sum for the boot they made him wear. Then I had to call the insurance to get the podiatrist "pre-authorized" which we also had to partly pay for. Blah blah blah.

That said, we love living here. We came for two years. Ha ha. We kept a bunch of our stuff for when we came back only we didn't. We've been here 13 years.

One thing I wish I had known is that the languages are very different but people will expect you to understand. Also it is really really hard at times for at least six months. You may well cry and want to go home and feel lonely and that things are done a really crazy way. It also feels a little surreal, like you are permanently on holiday. After six month things improve a lot and by two years it feels a lot like home.

We live in an expensive area and we still feel that economically we are a lot better off. I agree that kid activities cost a tiny fortune. We pay about $500 per kid four times a year for one sport each PLUS fees for matches, traveling, coaches gifts etc.

If I had to do it again I absolutely would. It was exhausting but has been a fantastic experience.

NatashaBee · 29/05/2012 17:55

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marilenagironda · 29/05/2012 18:33

You will need to be married to qualify for any VISA and yes you might not be able to work at all. You need to find out what VISA you will be able to get to know if you will be allowed to work. But I am sure you need to be married.

PooPooInMyToes · 29/05/2012 20:44

Yeah we've realised we'd probably need to quickly get married. How romantic! Grin

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mathanxiety · 04/06/2012 04:42

USCIS site You can look up all sorts of visa info here.

Different categories of visa here

This USCIS page has links to tax (IRS) information [right hand column] as well as visa information [left column] and links in the main article at the bottom about taxation.

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