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admylin · 08/03/2012 12:13

Kaffeeklatsch for anyone in a German speaking country or interested in German, Kommt herein und setz euch!

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silkenladder · 09/08/2012 15:09

gator how old is your ds now? He sounds very advanced with all the cruising and climbing compared to DD. She didn't stand and cruise until nearly 12mo and I think she was almost 2 before her legs were long enough to climb onto anything!

I don't suppose you have to worry about the milk thing if some books/people are saying it's fine. If you were bf you wouldn't know how much he was getting and it might be just as much. Once he's a year you could replace one bottle with cow's milk, if that's allowed? BLW children are supposed to regulate their own appetites, though. (I'm not sure I have ever met anyone in Germany who worries that their child eats too much, only the opposite!)

Gator · 09/08/2012 19:25

Grin at Danger Mouse and the cartoon villain laugh, TheEnglishWoman. I'm with Norun & silkenin having no idea how you manage to go to the pool with more than one child to keep an eye on.

Enjoy your holidays, Linzer & Ploom!

silken It sounds like your DD is doing really well with her reading, especially with being so young. SIL told me that the teachers where they are don't want the DC learning to read before they start school where they are, which seems a shame if the DC wants to learn (like your DD).
DS is 10.5 months, but apparently I walked at about his age. I've heard from a few people that early walkers tend to be late talkers and vice versa, so we shall see.

I'm worrying a bit less about the milk thing. I shall just see how it goes. I'm just a bit worried that the Dr will say that he's overweight and undernourished or something. I make sure I give him a balanced diet as far as solid food goes, it's just a question of how much actually goes in, but I guess it's the same for most babies, especially BLW babies. I'll be glad when the bottle stage is over though, no more thermos flasks to lug around, no more bottles to wash.

TheEnglishWomanInTheAttic · 10/08/2012 05:34

Gator I always believed that milk is the main source of nutrition for under 1s - mine were all BF til around 1, and DC3 in particular was still having about 12 feeds a day at 10-11 months! I did night wean at 11 months which cut it down a lot, but that was for sleep reasons not worry about nutritional balance - I don't think you have to stress too much for at least another month! Oh and IMO the "early walker = late talker" or vice versa thing is a bit of nonsense, your DS won't necessarily be a late talker - dd was my earliest walker and my earliest talker - walked at 9 months, talking in 3-4 word sentences by 14 month (where DS2 walked at 12-5 months and now at 15 months still mostly babbles, though he does have 20-30 words he just says one at a time - usually a command :o - he has not come close to trying to join words in any way, not counting the "merged words" which he thinks are all one, like "Ditdow" for sit down and "Cumon" for come on :o )

Talking 3 to the pool can be mentally draining but is perfectly doable (maybe not if they were 18 month old triplets :o ) The older 2 aren't allowed to go out of their depth (though they do go as deep as they can and still stand), they do stick to the rules I give them. 75% of my attention is on the toddler, who is about as easy to control using voice commands as a cat :o Whereas the older 2 are relatively well trained puppies :) It is just when the pool is crowded it is stressful, when it is quiet it is easy to keep an eye on all 3. I must admit that when there is nobody around I know, I do mentally scout out which complete stranger I'd chuck DS3 to if I did have to leap after 1 of the older 2 in an emergency! I never want to be one of those slightly pathetic mums who won't do anything with her kids unless her DH comes too, just because she has more than 1, and sits at home complaining they are driving her mad and counting down the days til she can get rid of them back to school or nursery

itsMYNutella · 10/08/2012 16:15

Gator perhaps you could use an extra large toy to distract your DS and he could cling to that instead? But he sounds like a typical boy (my Mum said she was Shock at how different I was to my 3 brothers in terms of feeding and eating) and will figure it out for himself gradually.

Englishwoman I am impressed with your pool monitoring skills but I know it can be done... I have a brother 18months older and a brother 18months younger than me. It is nice that we are close in age but I have no idea how mum coped when we were all little....

We also have a ridiculous amount of video footage from when we were small (my Dad is a total tech geek) and the funniest thing I notice about it now is that my Dad was rather like a documentary film maker. He would stay behind the camera and not do or say anything and on camera you can see us three and my poor mum trying to deal with us. Occasionally oldest brother (9 years older) would be there helping out and entertaining but of course once he hit teenage years he was usually off doing his own thing.

DP got to see some of the videos (they need a lot of editing and transferring to DVD) when we visited mum and they are quite amusing but there is a lot of boring stuff in between the good bits, like film of sheep in a field for almost ten minutes.... Hmm

Gator · 13/08/2012 13:31

Nutella I'm constantly making little videos of DS doing various things, mainly to send to my parents who live in Canada so they can see him in action too. I love going through the computer every now and then when he's asleep and watching them again.

TheEnglishWoman I did wonder if the early walker-late talker thing was made up! I always hear it from the sort of people who are always right, whose opinions are fact and who make me want to throw something at them There's a mum at playgroup who's a bit like that.

I've replaced his mid-morning bottle with a small snack and a drink of water and it seems to be going ok. He doesn't seem any hungrier and isn't asking for his lunch or his next bottle any earlier so I think we'll keep going like this, then maybe in a few weeks try and do the same with the mid-afternoon bottle. That will bring him down to 3 bottles a day of about 600-700 ml in total, which I think is about what they should be on at a year old (according to all the weaning threads on here, anyway). I'm feeling a bit better about it now after chatting to one of the mums at playgroup about it. She didn't say anything new, it just seemed to sink in and make a bit more sense suddenly.
Now, what to worry about next.... :)

silkenladder · 13/08/2012 16:53

gator sounds like you're being pretty sensible about the milk thing. You can start worrying about Zecken properly now. I also have lots of clips of dd doing stuff, but they are all on my phone which means dd watches them herself. I'm a bit concerned how that might affect her psychological development, though another thing to worry about.

nutella DH's family are all obsessive video-makers. We have 5 hour-long episodes of our house being built. DH and I haven't got round to watching them yet, can't imagine how thrilled PIL's friends feel at the prospect of seeing them Grin.

EnglishWoman how is the swimming course going? I bet you'll be happy to have two out of three able to swim properly.

I went to the pool today on my own Shock Grin. The Olympics has inspired me to try to improve my fitness. I did 20 lengths and felt like I'd had a proper workout Hmm. Obviously I was much fitter at age 19, despite much higher alcohol consumption, rubbish diet and generally feeling knackered all the time Smile. i'm also considering doing the morning kiga drop-off using my bike. It's not that far, and downhill on the way there, but there's a big uphill slog on the way back. Or maybe I should order the 30 Day Shred dvd?

ploom's right about needing a new thread, isn't she? How about "Der Nativespeakerklub", or has anyone got any other ideas?

itsMYNutella · 14/08/2012 13:32

gator I'm all for video clips this is still one of the funniest things I've ever seen!

But I think that when it becomes extreme (filming sheep to create a bizarre interlude or 5 hours of house building) it probably isnt going to be enjoyed quite so much :)

Well done on the swimming Silken I love swimming (especially because Im a good swimmer and can usually beat DP) but DP has been told to rest for two weeks because he has hurt his Achilles tendon.... :(

silkenladder · 15/08/2012 11:42

Grin Nutella, that clip is so cute!

I really enjoyed my swim and didn't have any muskelkater the next day, so I guess I could push myself a bit more next time - tomorrow, hopefully. I hope I can fit swimming into my schedule once my lessons all start up again. It should be possible, after all I spend at least an hour and a half randomly wasting time on the internet most days Smile. It depends a bit on the opening hours of the pool, though. I tried to take dd as a toddler once at about 10am and it had just closed Hmm.

I also like beating DH at sports, Nutella. I almost always win at badminton (12 years younger, therefore more agile) and snooker (misspent youth playing lots of pool), but he's a much stronger cyclist. Having said that, we haven't done many of those things since dd's been here...

NoHunIntended · 15/08/2012 15:34

Well done on the exercising, sl. I shall look out for you at the next Olympics! :)

Yes to a new thread!

Does anyone know what happens to undelivered mail? I ordered something online to our old company apartment address, a colleague of DH's is in there now, and it has not arrived, I am thinking that as our name is not on the postbox, the postal worker didn't deliver it?

TheEnglishWomanInTheAttic · 15/08/2012 17:28

NoHun undelivered mail is generally returned to sender, unless it was something from outside the EU, when you could find it held at customs - in which case you will eventually get an annoying letter demanding you go to an awkwardly located office and pay more than the item in question originally cost you...

Swim course is going well thanks silken - he finally swam a few meters without floats or help on Saturday - at long last! It has taken him 23 lessons and ?450 (which includes 9 more lessons he has yet to have on this course but still) - DD could do 25 meters after 12 lessons, and she was 6 months younger and a lot smaller and lighter at that age too, which is why it feels like it's been a long slog for him, but just shows they are all different and all that - he was almost a year younger than she was when he learnt to ride a pedal bike, and she needed an hour of DH running behind where he just picked her bike up and rode it, so all evens out! Hope he'll go from strength to strength in the last lessons of the course anyway! On Thursday and Friday I have DD and DS2 with me for his lessons so can't really swim, but for his Saturday lesson I left them with DH and swam without stopping - until his teacher called me over to take him to the toilet, which took til the end of the lesson... Maybe in 2 years when DS2 starts KiGa I will do an hour's swimming a morning like I used to at uni (unlikely though tbh, though swimming is the one sport/ form of exercise I actually enjoy unreservedly)!

DS2 has started having huge, intense, very loud, very long tantrums when out and about - real demon child ones, a world apart from anything the older 2 ever did. We went on a bike ride today and I had to bring him home and let DH take the older ones on to the forest climbing park and beer garden we were heading for - he started in the trailer but even when I took him out as soon as possible he didn't even ease off a tiny bit, and after half an hour of trying everything I had to stick him back in the trailer still screaming his lungs out, rigid, beetroot in the face, and cycle home - longest 8km of my life - and randomly he stopped screaming when we were almost home and has been especially sunny and sweet and giggly since, absolutely nothing to explain it, but he did similar yesterday in a cafe...

NoHunIntended · 15/08/2012 18:00

Thanks for the answer. Yes, it is from outside the EU. Grrr. Wasn't expensive, but a one off so can't reorder. How annoying. Well, maybe it will still turn up. We also didn't get an invitation to this address, I think it arrived just before we put our name on the letterbox. So I guess they don't deliver if the name doesn't match the envelope?

Maybe being smaller and lighter is an advantage when learning to swim?

Ploom · 15/08/2012 18:28

hello!
Finally sneaking 10 mins to sit at the computer and catch up on the thread. These summer holidays are really eating into my MN time Wink. Dh is also home this week and cant have him knowing how much time I spend on here!

englishwoman - oh the joy of the terrible ones!! My dc3 also had shocking temper tantrums compared to the other 2. Its the lack of rhyme or reason half the time that used to drive me mad. Oh and how they can go back to their normal sweet selves while you're still stressed about the rest of the afternoon. Well done ds1 on his swimming. I also take my 3 to the pool on my own. It is a bit stressful now that they can all swim and are up and down the slides all the time but I'm quite happy to sit in the water and try and spot them the whole time. Do sometimes wish for another eye tho!

nohun - grrr thats rubbish about you not getting your mail. How is the new flat? Do you feel more settled?

Well done you silken on the swimming. I'm happy enough to take the dc but I wouldnt voluntarily go on my own - I think I just have too much hair for all that getting wet then dry nonsense Wink. But I agree how nice it is to do some exercise - I enjoy the time with my own thoughts without someone shouting "mum" every 2 mins!

nutella - I'm a bit envious of people having babies now because the quality of videos now is so clear that you could nearly document their whole lives and it not be grainy like from our childhood or with no sound liek teh first digital videos we took of dd1 11 years ago!

gator - my 3dc were formula fed at the age your ds is at now and think they probably had 3 bottles in the daytime. Think thats right - one first thing, then one in the afternoon and a bedtime bottle. But they werent BLW (not sure I'd ever heard of it when my dc were babies) so they were maybe getting more food since i was shovelling it in. As long as you feel there's a balance that he's still trying to eat at mealtimes, not turning away cause his tummy is full of milk then I think he's fine.

We had a really fab time on holiday in Austria - the holiday flat was the nicest i've ever been to and in such a good location. There was a cable car 50m away that took you up to a Badesee and loads for the dc to do. We did loads of walking and there wasnt quite as much moaning from dd as normal so all in all a great time. Dh is home this week but then from next week its just me and the dc till school starts on the 13th Sept. Apart from a mini meet up with linzer and silken next week and then ds2's birthday celebrations, we've got no plans. Might be a long 3 and a half weeks!

itsMYNutella · 16/08/2012 10:05

Ploom it's amazing that my DP has no video from when he was little and lots of others have only a bit of ... Was it cine film or similar? The name has just deserted me... At all our school plays ours was pretty much the only dad with a video camera (the massive kind where you used to slot in a video tape) and now you have these teeny tiny things that do everything!!

Englishwoman thanks for reminding me what I have to look forward too Hmm hope you figure out a tactic to distract DS from himself.... Then let me know... Grin

silkenladder · 16/08/2012 11:45

nutella we have no film/video of us as kids. DH on the other hand has hours and hours, mostly from FKK holidays at the Ostsee Grin. I think it was shot on Super-8, is that what you are thinking of?

(Actually, the non-nudist stuff - the May Day parades, etc - is really interesting in a historical document kind of way. And I'm sure it's all great to watch as a parent, or to bring back memories of one's own childhood. I'm just not convinced that there is much broader appeal to these videos - FB clips are fine as they are current, but am I really ever going to sit down and watch the film of dnephew as a baby?)

TheEnglishWomanInTheAttic · 16/08/2012 12:53

Nutella they don't all do the tantrums on a large scale - my older 2 weren't really tantrumers as toddlers, DD probably only ever had 2 or 3 tantrums, and DS1 had fairly frequent ones but they were very tame and only lasted a couple of minutes - from what Ploom says maybe you should avoid having a 3rd child to avoid the apocalyptic style tantrums :) Maybe by number 3 they have to do more for attention as a little 5 minute strop would barely register and possibly pass unnoticed :)

My dad had one of those huge video cameras - with a Betamax tape! He's always been an "early adopter" of new technology, and always does lots of research and buy the "better" tech which is also the more expensive so never catches on with the mass market aqnd becomes obsolete :) Good job as the only video I remember watching of myself as a child was at my youngest sister's party, and I already found it embarrassing on first viewing, let alone later!

I wish DD's best friend could be persuaded to stop leaving 8 or 9 long rambling messages on our answer phone every time we leave the house, our machine only plays the last 8 messages and I missing things, it is making me rather Angry

itsMYNutella · 16/08/2012 15:53

Sshhhh Englishwoman!! I want three DP thinks two will be better Hmm
Ok, I'll have to ask my Mum.. I'm technically third child but I have a younger brother and three of us are very close in age (think I already said, my mad mum had us 3 in three yearsShock I still don't know how she did it :) ) I know I used to get a smack on the back of the knees every few weeks; but otherwise I"m not aware of any apocalyptic style ones.... Hmm

Awww at your dad and his Betamax.... My dad's dad (Grandpa) had a betamax player...possibly answers where my dad got his tech streak from...

That's it silken super-8! And yes, Englishwoman watching family videos is always embarrassing but I definitely will not be videoing any nudist holidays - should we go on one... ever.

Ploom · 16/08/2012 18:16

We've also got no family video of us as dc - think some relatives had some kind of video camera thing which always fascinated me. Did LOL at the thought of your dh's family making videos at the FKK beach silken! i love watching videos of our dc from when they were littler - the time goes so fast that its easy to forget what they were like.

Can I just have a right moan about my IL's?? They've gone voluntarily to Hong Kong for 3 months - they only got there on Saturday but my MIL is emailing every day about how stressful the whole trip is. They didnt organise a flat before they went so my FIL is working and she's having to try to find a flat. But they're so expensive & so small & they want a big deposit & so it goes on & on & on. Surely they must have known this before they went. They sound in the emails like two teenagers on a gap year rather than 2 people in their mid-late 60's! Oh its going to be a long 3 months till they get back. Wonder if my MIL will come back sooner - she sounds in todays email like she'd be happy to come back today. (moan over!!)

LinzerTorte · 16/08/2012 20:56

Hello all, have been reading all your posts but have had virtually no time to post myself. It's hard to believe that tomorrow will be our last full day at my parents'; the time has just flown by. I feel quite organised as I've already packed; I'm really hoping that the train will go straight through and there won't be any unexpected changes/bus replacement services, as I think I'm going to struggle with my bags as it is. My fault for buying too many books and too much Cadbury's, though!

I don't think Betamax existed when I was a baby/toddler; my mum had a cine camera, but it was always such a hassle to set the projector up that we hardly ever watched the films. My dad also had hundreds of slides, mainly of the year they spent in Australia, and we used to watch those on a small screen as well, which was hugely exciting!

Re going swimming with three DC, I wouldn't take all three to our local open-air pool on my own (although DH does). This is mainly because it's just so big (it's actually several pools) that I'd have to be in the water with them (or at least sitting on the edge) and it's always too cold for me unless I'm actually swimming, which turns my hair to a frizz and isn't really doable with all three DC there anyway. Plus, as I've said before, there are always far too many people there who I know. It was fine in Italy though, as I could sit on my sun lounger and read supervise the DC from there; DS can't swim yet, but he's OK as long as he has armbands on.

Ploom Grr at your ILs. They always sound so adventurous; didn't they go somewhere exotic for a few months not long ago? And take your DD to South Africa recently? My ILs haven't been on holiday since DH was about 6, when they came home early as SIL wasn't enjoying it (although DH thinks MIL used it as an excuse as she wanted to come home too).

Nutella It was DC2 who was the worst tantrummer in our case (but don't tell your DP that DC3 was by far the hardest work as a baby and toddler!). She was stuck in the terrible twos for years and it's only over the last year that she's started to calm down. DD1 has never had a tantrum in her life and DS was fine as a toddler, although recently seems to have discovered tantrums. Hmm

Gator Glad you're getting the milk issue sorted out. I used to worry that DD1 ate very little when she was weaned, but remember someone reassuring me that they still get most of the nutrition they need from milk. I also remember being concerned that she was drinking too much milk and it was filling her up, so started diluting her milk (half milk, half water) but she was older than your DS so that's probably not something you need to be doing with a one-year old.

silken Sorry, was meaning to reply earlier to your questions about reading.
The prevailing attitude in Austria seems to be that there's absolutely no need for children to learn to read before school and if they already can, then they'll get bored at school (not the case at all IME). Knowing now what I didn't know back when DD1 started school - how much pressure children can be under - I shall be making sure that DS can read when he starts, although still have plenty of time as I don't think they do any reading in the Vorschulklasse.

I tried to teach DD1 to read using Jolly Phonics, but found it incredibly time-consuming - photocopying sheets, cutting up and laminating letters, etc etc. We must have spent a good hour on each letter, but it was very difficult to find uninterrupted time as DS was just a baby (who rarely slept) and she didn't seem particularly interested in reading. Thinking that she would learn to read anyway at school, I didn't push it - and really regret not encouraging her a bit more. Admittedly, I don't think anyone in her class could read when they started school and she's mildly dyslexic, but she really struggled when she started school. The teacher called us in, gave us an extra book of reading exercises to do with her, and it was quite a stressful time (she didn't enjoy reading at all and we would often spend up to an hour before she was able to read one A4 page - the amount they were reading in class after just a couple of months).

However, like I've already said, that probably won't be relevant for you as most children in her class learned to read without too many problems. But it was an experience I didn't want to repeat.

I was determined that DD2 would read before she started school, but didn't really need to teach her - she picked it up more or less by herself. I was thoroughly fed up with Jolly Phonics by this stage and knew that I'd learned to read just from looking at books with my mum, who hadn't actually made an effort to teach me, so decided to try that approach with DD2. I found an old Ladybird book of mine, On the Farm, which looked very easy to read, read it a few times with DD2, pointing out the words and she was able to read it herself fairly quickly (although of course it's difficult to tell how much she had memorised). We didn't have any proper learning-to-read type books, just looked at simple ones that we already had at home, and she picked it up from those. I also taught her to read in German, although it wasn't easy to find suitable books; the vast majority seem to have pictures instead of the more difficult words, which I find really "interrupt" the reading - it's very hard to find simply written books for beginner readers.

I decided to take a similar approach with DS and bought the ORT Read at Home series. He does enjoy looking at them and can read the first four or five books, although has probably memorised quite a bit of them. He can't read fluently, but does recognise and can also work/sound out quite a few words. I've also been doing Reading Eggs on the computer with him, which he loves and he'll often ask to do it. I bought a year's subscription after the 14-day free trial, which was definitely worth it in his case as he's made a lot of progress - and he won't sit and look at books for hours like DD2 used to.

Sorry, seem to have gone on a bit, hope it's helpful anyway!

Ploom · 17/08/2012 08:26

Wow linzer thats one extreme to the other with our IL's! Cant believe yours havent bern on holiday in all that time. Do they not even go somewhere in Austria?? Yes my IL's had been to S Africa with dd and they were also there last year over the winter. They are quite adventurous - they lived in Africa for most of the 1990's - so why then are they unable to sort things out without getting so stressed? I'm puzzled by them but also a bit worried for my MIL - she has high BP as it is - dont want her ill in Hong Kong!

itsMYNutella · 17/08/2012 14:03

Ok, I'll just have to figure out tantrums when we get there Hmm there must be a tactic out there somewhere.... But good to know that it can be any child... Hurrah!??

My (almost) IL are really rather normal I suppose, slowing down, going a bit deaf, diabetic, have heart problems. Rather classically traditional old people who like to stock their cupboards as if they were a pharmacyBlush

My parents are at the other end of the scale. I don't really talk to my dad (long Angry story) neither do my brothers...But he lives in the states (California) keeps bees and collects swarms and stuff. I don't know if he has a real job...

And my Mum after visiting India for a few months is now living in the countryside in France, with a ceramic artist Frenchman.

LinzerTorte · 17/08/2012 20:34

Ploom No, my PIL wouldn't even come and stay overnight with us; my FIL has done so very occasionally (to help look after DD1 when DD2 was born, for example) but MIL is a real homebird plus has problems with her back that make it difficult for her to sleep in a different bed. I don't think she's ever been a very keen holidaymaker, though; DH still seems quite annoyed about having his one and only family holiday curtailed! My parents are similar although not quite as extreme; at least we went away on holiday when I was little, although it was always to the same area of England. They've been to visit us a couple of times and also lived in Australia for a year back in the 1960s, but other than that have never holidayed abroad.

Nutella I always thought that having a fully stocked medicine cabinet was a sign of being Austrian/German rather than old age. Grin Admittedly, that's only going by my ILs and Austrian friends my own age vs my parents (who don't have much more than plasters and paracetamol in their medicine cabinet), which is hardly a representative sample.

TheEnglishWomanInTheAttic · 18/08/2012 13:00

'I dread to think what my parents have in their medicine cabinet (although it is a locked doctor's bag in their case) as they are retired doctors, and my father always seem to be able to produce almost any prescription drug on request, and when DC1 had croup while we were in the UK in May and I mentioned it the next day (we stayed a few miles away from them) he seemed to regard having the medication he has previously been proscribed here in his supplies as a professional challenge... I don't know how much of the stock is in date though Shock! My parents travel a lot but my mother makes quite heavy weather of it, she loves it, she just likes the attention :o and my dad will go anywhere as long as there is an ensuite bathroom, he prefers 5* "International" type hotels where my mother prefers little guest houses, but only if the owner speaks English so she can tell them her entire life history and that of her extended family, and extract some facts about the host to pass on to anyone who will listen...

Ooops was going to write more but just realised I need to get DS1 to his swimming lesson...

Hope everyone's having good weekends!

TheEnglishWomanInTheAttic · 18/08/2012 13:01

DS1 had croup, not DC1 (DD) not that it matters :o

TheEnglishWomanInTheAttic · 18/08/2012 20:39

Oooh I just wanted to tell someone that I just shouted out of the window (in German of course) and told off 8 noisy bikers who were revving their engines, honking their horns and whooping outside DS1's bedroom window at 9pm - and they went quiet straight away :) I tell other people's kids off all the time (I seem to be the unofficial playground police as most kids there are without parents and our house is so close, with a low fence, it's practically our garden), but given the "self taught" nature of my German would rarely confront adults, but I didn't think twice, just did it; I'm not sure I would have done it in the UK actually... I want a gold star - and the best thing - DH heard but thought it was another (German) neighbour, so I must not have sounded too "foreign" :)

silkenladder · 19/08/2012 08:32
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Well done! It's nice to be mistaken for a German sometimes, isn't it! Did you report them to the Ordnungsamt? Grin