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Mums in the US which states are expensive/cheap to live in?

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MrsHeffley · 09/01/2012 10:01

So dp will be job hunting soon.Was wondering if you could let us know how your state does on the expense stakes ie tax,rent,utilities,food bills,other expenses,if state schools are good(so no need for private) etc.

It would help us work out salary issues ie how low we could go depending on the area.

We're aware of the need for medical insurance to be included.

Many,many TIA.

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Halbanoo · 09/01/2012 10:23

Not living in the States at the moment, but as an American (former teacher, as well)--School district quality will vary within each state and metropolitan area as well. You can find great schools and rubbish schools just about everywhere.

In terms of general cost of living, obviously either coast will be more expensive than the interior of the U.S. NYC, San Francisco, Southern California, Boston and DC will be the most expensive in terms of housing, etc.

I grew up in the Midwest (Ohio) and it is a fairly nice and inexpensive part of the country to live in. You can get a huge house for less than $300k anywhere in the area. I also lived for a number of years in Chicago which is expensive compared to the rest of the Midwest, but still nowhere near as bad as Manhattan or D.C. The Chicago suburbs have a number of fantastic school districts (although you'll spend a lot to live there as well)

Prior to living in England, we spent the better part of the 8 years in central Texas. It is fairly affordable, although the heat is tremendous. The only serious costs are property taxes, which inevitably relate to the quality of school district. Generally the higher performing districts will having a higher tax rate and housing cost. In general, I found Texas schools average in quality.

You can check greatschools.net for a better idea of specific areas once you start getting closer to a decision.

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MrsHeffley · 09/01/2012 11:03

Thanks for that interestingly dp has seen a lot in Texas and New Jersey.Have heard NJ tax is cheap but I'm of the thought they must get it back elsewhere iykwim.

My only worries are schools.Don't want to go down the private route but worry about when they come back so would need good schools.

Leonie re "don't get ill"-you're scaring me now,do you mean even with insurance???? Smile

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ArthurPewty · 09/01/2012 11:08

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MrsHeffley · 09/01/2012 11:20

I'm an NHS fan.I can put up with the non frills,shite wards as when the chips are down you couldn't be in better hands treatmentwise imvho.

None of us have any issues bar dtwin 2 has a non benign heart murmer. It's basically nothing,isn't being monitored and many people have them apparently.Tis just the sound of the flow.I've also had IVF,I know some organisations can be funny about that eg the blood donating people.

Maybe I need to do some research into insurance companies (research queen here).I'd research things beforehand as it'll be pointless applying for jobs if there could be problems further down the line.

Are there any big names I can contact?

Thanks,you've been very helpful.

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ArthurPewty · 09/01/2012 17:28

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howdoo · 11/01/2012 03:06

NJ property taxes are ridiculously high I think, which is probably how they get the money back.

MrsHeffley · 11/01/2012 10:04

What is property tax,the equivalent of council tax? Ie the cheaper/smaller the house the smaller the tax?

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howdoo · 11/01/2012 16:00

Yes, is the equivalent of council tax. Property tax payments are income tax free but it is still a massive amount in the tri-state area (NY, NJ, CT). It is dependent on the size of your property and land as you say. If you are renting though you won't pay it directly (although you'll pay it in the rent TBH).
Food costs about the same I think though I have found it isn't as fresh.
Taxes add up - income tax can be lower than UK, but then you have to add state tax, which is around 6%. Also tax on most things that you buy.
Utilities are similar I think.
Generally I find that the US is cheaper to buy "things" - eg TVs, cars etc, but that your disposable income is less - because you have to pay all the taxes and medical insurance. So stuff is cheap but you don't have any money to buy it!!

wentshopping · 11/01/2012 16:26

YY to all above. I live in Texas in an expensive school district. Medical - we have medical insurance though dh's work, but dd3's routine operation last summer came to $14,000 of which we had to pay 20%. ($8,000 for three nights in hospital, just for the room Shock)
Car insurance is really high - I pay $3000 every 6 months for our cars
Milk is more expensive than petrol ($5.99/gallon vs $3.50/gallon) although I only buy organic. Er, milk, that is.
Sales tax here on everything you buy 8.25% - which is added on at the till, you have to remenber to add it on in your head when you pick up a bargain on the shelf.
I think our utilities are high, but have lost touch with UK prices on this. Eg, summer time here when you have to have air conditioning on all day and night, typically $400/month for electricity.

MrsHeffley · 11/01/2012 18:03

Errrr went why did you have to pay for the room,is that not included Shock?????Blimey is that not what insurance is for?????I thought you paid that huge amount so you'd be covered for everything.

So say dtwin 1 fell over and had a broken arm what do you have to pay?Say he got appendicitus (sp?) and needed an op????

So you need to save a bit too just incase of some unexpected surgery?

Are all insurance companies the same?

How does going to the GP work?

Kind of glad I looked into all this before.Smile

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MrsHeffley · 11/01/2012 18:04

Also went what is Texas like good/bad?Only know Seattle area and California to compare.

Are there any decent state primary schools?

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wentshopping · 11/01/2012 18:27

mrsH - the itemised bill showed the room, drugs, surgeon's time, anaesthetist's time etc. We had to pay some upfront before the date was finalised. Yes you have insurance, but you have a deductible (like an excess on car insurance) which you have to meet, plus pay a percentage of the total. Maybe there are health plans which cover you 100%, but the premiums would be higher.
Broken arm - dd2 broke her wrist a couple of years ago - emergency room visit was free, with x-ray and temporary splint. Had to make own appointment with orthopedist where she had another x-ray, and cast. $35 co-pay, plus $20 for plastic bag to wear in the shower over cast. Check up and cast removal, another x-ray $35 co-pay.
Kid doctor appointments - $25 co-pay each time, vaccinations are free.
Dentist - free, apart from fluoride treatment, $33 per kid.
Now I'll really freak you out - dd3 has cerebral palsy, and she got a power wheelchair aged 5... we paid 20% of the $15,000 cost, and paid full amount $7,000 for manual wheelchair as insurance only covers one chair. Now she has outgrown them :(
DD1 and DD2 have braces... ok they will have lovely teeth... insurance only covers 50% of cost... I have an instalment plan paying $250/month to cover the other $3000. (dd2)
However, if you end up paying more than 7% of your income on medical expenses (for the whole family) in a year, you can get a tax refund. Woo hoo!
Do you mean good/bad in terms of money or life in general?
It gets horrendously hot here - hence air conditioning - from May-Oct. Typically temperatures in the upper 30s, high humidity for July and August. I once thought the thermometer in my car was broken when it stayed at 43oC all day, but it really was the temperature outside.
All my kids are in state school system - we picked a good school district and found a house in the catchment area of a friendly primary school. It's not the same as UK, but we have lived here so long I have no real comparison. There is a British school and International if you wanted to maintain the curriculum. I would love to live in California for the weather, but apparently their school system is not so well-funded so parents have to pay a lot more for school supplies. Oh yes, school supplies, I had forgotten that... at the start of every school year you have to buy a list of supplies - lots of which (tissues, glue, pencils) go into a cupbaord to be shared with the whole class - usually about $50-60 per kid - as they get older, there is more stuff that the child keeps for themselves (binders, paper etc) but you still have to provide tissues, hand sanitizer etc. Hmm I'll stop now before I kill this thread with information overlaod/personal ranting Grin

MrsHeffley · 11/01/2012 18:38

Gosh that is interesting,many thanks.Omgoodness re the wheelchair,so some poor children won't get a chair at all if their parents can't afford it?What are you going to do?

Sadly all my 3 will need orthadontics going by the sprouting of their big teeth,so should factor that insurance in too.Is co-pay company pays or something else?

So do you like Texas?

Nothing other than the weather that is too horrendous?Anything you really love about it?Also is it a bunfight to rent houses in good school areas?

Will stop bugging you with questions now.Grin

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wentshopping · 11/01/2012 18:59

No, American children get theirs paid for by medicaid if they don't have insurance - but there is some horrendous statistic of 30m (?) americans without insurance, so there are people who go to the emergency room to give birth, for example.
Sorry, co-pay is the part you pay (insurance pays some, you pay some). So for a doctor visit, your insurance will pay around $80 and you pay $25-35 when you are there.
We have interesting insects... I won't post a link but we have flying cockroaches, about 2-4 inches long. Every six weeks the bug man comes to spray the house so we don't have to have them inside. And mosquitos (!)
I'd never been to arodeo before I lived here!
Tip for househunting - I don't know if this is a peculiarly Texan thing, but people only move house in the last week of May, first week of June. (When school gets out). So the property market gets busy around Feb-March, and then quietens down the rest of the year. There are always some houses for rent here, but I live in Houston which has a lot of people moving in/out from overseas because of the oil industry.
School holidays - nothing much all year, then 11 weeks in the summer. Grin
Bugging - ah ha you knew about the cockroaches then?

ArthurPewty · 11/01/2012 21:28

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AlohaMama · 12/01/2012 21:18

Hawaii, beautiful lovely place to live but frickin expensive! Food, gas, houses, everything. On the plus side, you spend less on entertainment - beach = free :)
Oh and my impression is people working here tend to get more vacation leave here than other places. Otherwise the measly vacation leave is a bit of a shock after being in England.

juneau · 19/01/2012 10:38

Re: medical insurance. Most companies have a company scheme that employees are signed up to. Their families can get coverage under this scheme too. The bigger the company and the more senior your DH's position, generally the better medical insurance he'll get. My DH always worked for investment banks when we were in the US and we had excellent healthcare. The policy I could've had from my job was less good, so I was my DH's Grin

We lived in NJ for six years if you have any specific NJ questions.

BettySuarez · 25/01/2012 22:14

Hi Juneo - can I ask whether you still had co pays or any other charges with your DH's insurance?

We may soon be in a similar position and with 4 kids am getting seriously worried Sad

wentshopping · 25/01/2012 22:56

Hi BettyS as far as I understand, you always have some sort of copay and deductible. The more you pay for the premium (deducted from wages), the lower the copay/deductible. We have very good insurance, and today for example, we saw a hospital consultant, and our copay was $35. Pretty good for an hour chatting about dd's needs. When I take dc to the doctors for a regular check-up (Americans seem to go in for an annual checkup), then the copay is $25, and you dont pay any extra for immunizations. I didn't mean to worry you with my examples further upthread - I have a dd with disabilities and so she needs a lot of medical appointments, which I don't have to wait for, I can choose the date of her surgery, and just phone up whenever I am worried to see a consultant, neurologist, gastro-enterologist etc. If you pay for the lowest level of coverage - and people with kids don't generally do this - then your copay would be more, but your annual premium a lot less.

MollieO · 25/01/2012 23:07

When I worked for a NY law firm I didn't have to pay anything for medical care at all so it depends on the scheme your company has (and how much they want to spend on providing benefits for their employees). I was gobsmacked at how expensive even a routine trip to the GP was. It made me appreciate the NHS more when I returned to the UK!

juneau · 26/01/2012 11:33

Yes - there's always a co-pay, but the better the insurance the lower it is. I think ours was about $25 per visit? Something like that. It can add up though if you have an ongoing medical condition.

teacakebiscuit · 27/01/2012 09:01

So I'm a British ex-pat in California, been out here on/off for past 5 yrs, past 3 of which I've been a legal permanent resident. Prior to 3 yrs ago, I was living/working in London for 10 yrs.

here's my take:
i miss the NHS a LOT- as someone pointed out, it's not perfect, but it is there, it doesn't involve insurance companies, it doesn't create an environment of discrimination against lower income groups and it's a safety net. i usually describe british healthcare to people over here in the US as an entitlement rather than an essential luxury.

it's not only co-pays (the same as an insurance 'excess' in the UK) that add up, but also the prescriptions, the price of which varies according to the drug. we've had 3 prescriptions in the past year that we haven't filled because each one individually would have cost close to $100 (even after our insurance contributions and we're supposed to have 'good' insurance). that includes childrens' prescriptions too- they're not free over here like they are in the UK. And senior citizens do not get free prescriptions either- our neighbour (before his hip surgery last summer) had been paying $800/month for two years for generic (non-branded) drugs on top of what his insurance covered. and that was just to give him a bearable quality of life. my FIL thought it was great how he was 'only' paying $3000/yr for my MIL's anti-depressants. the whole healthcare system over here is one of the hardest things that i've had to adjust to as an expat over here. i curse the system each time we have to use it and have an emergency budget set aside ever since all three of us had to visit the doctor in one week last year and those visits ($20 co-pay each) plus one 'tiny' prescription ($70) cost more than our weekly food budget. and i'm still disappointed that when we changed insurance last year (my husband's company no longer chose to subsidise our provider) we had to switch all our doctors and it meant that i had to wait to start the process to get our son speech therapy as he had to go through all the assessments with the new insurance company.

as for schools, yes they do vary from place-to-place. we are in california which overall has terrible schools (and getting worse), yet there are certain school districts here which rank in the highest in the country. but unless you're in those areas, most people like to go the private way. in the good school areas, housing costs a LOT so either way you're spending out a lot for education, be it for the publicly-funded 'good' schools in the uber-expensive property areas, or for the uber-expensive private schools. American education seems to be a lot more general compared to UK schools where we specialise in things a lot earlier and the UK education is more highly regarded at the primary-secondary-bachelor's degree level (american children usually have to catch up when they move to british schools), but at graduate school level, the reverse is true...more likely as a result of the more general background knowledge (plus longer degree courses), and so the brits tend to lag behind when it comes to calibre of Masters and PhD students.

on the subject...college is also super expensive. things are changing in the UK, but you can still get an entire undergraduate degree from Oxford/Cambridge for less than the cost of one year at Harvard. Also, you have to pay fees up-front here, so if you take out loans to do it, you start getting charged interest on the loans from day one of classes (unlike in the UK where you pay the fees only after you leave, and only when you're earning over a certain amount, and they write your debt off if after 10 years you still don't earn enough).

property tax is similar to council tax, but you don't get as much for your money and it's a lot more than what my parents' pay back at home for their council tax. we pay about $500/mth which is considered to be low for the area (as we live in a 'cheap' house which is still insanely expensive to me but we live in the Bay Area). But that does not include things like garbage collection which is contracted out to the private sector and in some towns near to us (fortunately not ours) does not incude fire service, where you have to pay a kind of 'fire tax' otherwise they will not respond to a call-out. similarly in some areas here if you get into a road accident 'out-of-area' you have to pay for the emergency vehicles to come unless you take out the insurance for it.

in addition to income tax and property tax theres also Social Security to be paid on each paycheck which is proportionately about the same as National Insurance, except of course it doesn't include the medical...which as you've gathered adds up to a lot.

although certain material things cost less (cheaper electronics, cheaper petrol etc), certain things are more expensive (clothes, milk- yes I pay $6/gallon here too!) and wow, baby/childrens' items and toys are a LOT more. diapers are TWICE the price of the UK, baby milk cost FOUR TIMES as much. there is no tax relief on childrens' items either. and magazines, they're also a lot more too for some reason (unless you take out a subscription which makes them dirt cheap). books are also more expensive and there are no price wars between booksellers/supermarkets to slash the prices down (which i presume is why the food costs more here too- no supermarket price wars).

eating out may seem cheaper on the menu, but when you include the 20% tip, and the 9% tax, really it's not that cheap after all. Mobile phone plans are also 1.5-2x more expensive. cable tv and internet are also much more expensive (we don't actually have cable or cell phone contracts to try and save money).

Petrol is 4x cheaper, but we have to drive 4x further to get to places so it all evens out. electricity....well we use more as it gets >90/100F (35-40C) here in the summer so we have to run the air conditioning or our lives are miserable.

so at the end of the day, i completely agree with whoever stated above: although the salaries may seem higher, we don't have much disposable income by the time we have paid out all the hidden taxes and extras.

it of course varies as to where you live (we happen to live in an expensive part) and also depends a lot on the 'package' that your employer offers with regard to insurance etc, all the better if you get that whole ex-pat package that subsidises education too. my husband is american, so we just live here 'normally' without any of those ex-pat perks.

i would say my standard of living is probably higher over here- our 'small' ie 'starter' home is much more spacious than that which we could buy over in the UK and we are a two-car family on one income (but that is more of a necessity as there is precious little public transport in the suburbs where we live), but i wouldn't say my quality of life has improved... if anything it is much less. but that's because i'm the sort of person who values education and healthcare rather than material possessions. a friend of mine from germany who has been out here longer than me vows never ever to leave because she likes having a big house which is something that she would not have had back in germany. we're all different.

and obviously my experience is only in the Bay Area, it could of course be different elsewhere.

BettySuarez · 27/01/2012 19:50

Thank you so much teacake

Can I ask how old your children are?

If we go, ours will be 16,16,12,10

and we are very concerned re college fees for our twins

DH is looking at salary range of $130 - $150,000. Sounds like a bloody whopping amount to me but I actually doubt it will go far.

I would probably try and look for part time work so salary of approx $25,000 if I'm lucky?

We will either end up in San Fran area or Chicago but could be anywhere at this stage

MrsHeffley · 28/01/2012 18:02

Wow Teacakes and all that's really helpful-many thanks. Errr methinks we may avoid California then which is a tad sad as dp has family dotted around California near San Francisco(he's not a US national though) which we've visited along with Seattle when we had family there.

Dp would get a good salary but not like that in the post below, $120 max I think. Schools would matter a lot for me but obviously on the salary we would get private X3 wouldn't be an option so we'd need to be near good state schools. Would be happy with small house in nice area though. Kids are all doing well and I was a teacher so could cram a bit on our return to enable them to catch up.

We live quite frugally so not expecting/hoping for a huge change up iykwim.We basically just want to have and enjoy the experience for 2 or 3 years before we get too old and entrenched in the secondary system.We love the States and would prob latch on 6 months travel before we came back(visa permitting).

Just out of interest Teacakes what do you mean by a lot re housing in good school areas(we'd have to rent)? .

Many thanks for all the info,it really is a great help.

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