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Wenn es im Winter stürmt und schneit, haben wir eine Flasche Glühwein allzeit bereit - life in Germany and Austria

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LinzerTorte · 25/11/2011 19:46

As I couldn't find a suitable poem mentioning Glühwein, I composed my own. Please don't laugh. Grin

All welcome - anyone living in Germany, Austria or anywhere else who would like to chat.

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hupa · 27/01/2012 08:33

Snow here as well this morning. I´m hoping it stays around long enough to take the dc sledging.

jenny fortunately most people celebrate at home. Mind you this particualr couple did get married in the forest a couple of years ago. Luckily they had cold, crisp weather on that occasion.

Linzer Your´re really good to give up so much of your time for the school, especially as you don´t get paid.
I think you´ve made the right decision about ds and the ice skating. Maybe when he´s a bit older he´ll decide to give it another try.

Dd gets her Zeugnis next Friday, but has already been told what she´ll get in most subjects. I think the school are trying to take the pressure off by letting the children know in advance, so they don´t have a sleepness night the night before. Not that dd finds it stressful, but then I´m pretty relaxed about the whole thing, unlike some parents who get really wound up by the whole topic.

gator enjoy the new car. Hope the roads aren´t too dangerous when you pick it up.

admylin · 27/01/2012 08:48

hupa yes, I think dd would be pleased if the snow stays around abit longer! She rushed off to school early before the school courtyard was too busy to play in it with her friends!

It's Zeugnis day today here. They know their grades too as they've been telling themn for the past 2 weeks. I really feel sorry for the dc who go home crying or upset because their afraid of what their parents will say Sad.

teacakebiscuit · 27/01/2012 09:05

can i introduce myself? my husband just got offered a job in vienna and it looks like we'll be moving there in the early summer (if all goes to plan). i just wanted to say "hi" as i'll probably be back on here again Wink

waves hello Thanks

LinzerTorte · 27/01/2012 09:17

All the snow we've had here has melted again. It didn't actually cause too much disruption (just an aching back from shovelling!), but I'm hoping that we've seen the last of it.

Jenny Glad to hear the German lesson went well. I don't know where you get the energy from to teach in the evenings, though; I'm barely capable of even talking to DH after about 7 pm!

admylin In a moment of madness, I did offer to go into school every week but both teachers said that once a fortnight was enough (thank goodness). Now that I'm teaching privately too, there's no way I'd want to go in more often unless they decided to pay me for it.

hupa / admylin Telling the DC their grades before they get their Zeugnisse is a really good idea; it must take some of the pressure off and some of the drama out of the day. One of the girls in DD2's class went home in tears last year as she'd only got a 2 in one subject and her brother and sister had both got 1s.

It's all the importance accorded to them and the fact that a 2 is seen as quite a disappointing grade (by some parents and children, at any rate) that gets me. And all the comparisons and all the "who got which grades?" in the class.

I've just enrolled DS and DD2 on a swimming course - DD2 mainly because DS didn't want to go on his own, although some extra practice won't hurt her (and she said she wanted to go too). The swimming instructor said that DS is quite late learning to swim as she's got Jahrgang 2008 children learning now (he was born in 2006). Sometimes it's quite hard not to feel like a failure as a parent here if your child isn't swimming, riding a bike, skiing, ice skating, learning an instrument and a foreign language by 4.

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LinzerTorte · 27/01/2012 09:19

Hi teacakebiscuit and welcome to the thread! Do you have DC? Early summer will be a nice time to move to Vienna (it's far too cold here at the moment!).

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Thatisnotitatall · 27/01/2012 10:01

You're ahead on the foreign language though Linzer :)

I've just enrolled DS1 on a swim course too - he and your DS seem to have parallel lives with that and the ice skating - he skated last Sunday because I was going to buy DD a hot dog after her lesson and he wanted one too, but although he did his best and didn't cry he didn't crack a smile either, and I am not pushing it, there are 5 lessons still paid for but there is no point forcing the issue, at least he can skate without needing a hand to hold, so he has learnt something! On the swimming - there are onyl 2 teachers offering courses local to us, and they won't take children under 4.5 on the actual SeePferdchen courses (as opposed to water confidence courses one of them offers for 3+) so I don't think your DS is late. I thought of enrolling DD too, like you, as although she got her SeePferdchen at 4.5, I failed to take her weekly in the year that followed and she has regressed terribly.

Ooops baby crying, hello everyone and teaandcake, back later!

Gator · 27/01/2012 10:53

admylin It wouldn't surprise me at all if DH has planned to take the new car for a spin! We'll be coming back in two cars though as we decided to try and sell ours privately and he will probably have DS as it's so much easier to get his car seat into the new car. (I spend a lot of time in the supermarket car park at the moment straddling the car seat, bum in the air, half hanging over the door and usually trapped somehow - it's very attractive!)
Which cookbook do you have? I love a new cookbook :)

Linzer What a hectic life you lead! I'm really impressed you manage to get the right people to the right places on the right days and even at the right times.
I don't think your DS sounds old to be learning to swim. I'm not sure if Austria is the same, but in Germany there seems to be a bit of a contradiction - childhood should be strung out as long as possible, yet if you haven't achieved x, y and z by the age of 6 (or whenever) then there is something wrong which probably needs to be checked by a Dr. This might not be the case at all, it's just the impression I get talking to a few people I know here.

jenny Calvin & Hobbes are very cute! DH is quite a fan.

hupa We had a little snow here too, but it hasn't settled.

teacake Hello! Are you moving from the UK? Are you looking forward to the move?

My friend came round yesterday with her baby (she's 7 weeks younger than DS and absolutely gorgeous). She (the baby) has a 6mm hole in her heart and has to have a 5 hour operation and a two week hospital stay in Berlin in February, poor little mite. My friend and her husband seem to be taking it all in their stride but you never know how these things are behind closed doors. I think I would be an absolute state if that was DS, I'm really impressed by how well she seems to be holding it together. I'd love to do something nice for her but I don't really know what. I'll have a think.

Gator · 27/01/2012 11:00

Oh and yesterday was another day of listening to everything I am doing wrong with DS. First it was his lack of socks - we were inside with the heating on and he is a sweaty baby! Then it was his lack of blanket for his nap. Then it was the fact that we want to take him to the UK for two weeks in the summer. One week would be ok, two weeks wouldn't apparently. Taking him to Canada at Christmas is a bad idea as the flight will be too long (from someone who was planning to take her baby to Japan at 9 months old - DS will be 15 months). Also he is too fat and I should give him tea instead of milk. It doesn't matter that the Dr and the midwife say his weight is fine. He will grow up to be morbidly obese. Both me and the person telling me all this were fat babies and we are not exactly obese now. She is also on her first baby and hers is two months younger than mine so it's not as if she has a lot more experience than me. She is constantly comparing the two and doesn't seem to get that there is a two month age difference so there will be differences in the amount they eat, sleep etc.
Rant over. Sorry Blush Time for a cuppa and some ironing to take my frustration out on - I will have some damn smooth tablecloths by the end of today Grin

Thatisnotitatall · 27/01/2012 11:49

Trying again, now I have all 3 kids home and in the room the baby is happy (well happy-ish, he has yet another stinking cold).

Gator GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRR at your friend! (I assume she is a friend if she is in your house comparing babies...) but sympathy and healthy baby wishes to the friend with the baby with a hole in the heart - hope all goes well there; as you say it is impossible to imagine unless it actually happens to you I suspect. I think I must look scary or something as nobody except MIL and my mother has ever tried even tentatively to tell me what to do with any of my babies, and if they do I snarl :) The only things either of the grandmothers started trying to advise were in both cases either blatant common sense or blatantly ridiculous/ out of date advice (they have both been guilty of both, and I snarled at both :) )

Hupa There is one charity shop here (German Red Cross) - it is like a warehouse. I gave them a slightly faulty still working English kids laptop once (I bought it on ebay second hand myself) and before I had even walked away from handing the rest of the stuff over I spotted it in somebody's trolley (yes they have trolleys) so there is a demand! I have seen very well healed looking Bavarians browsing the furniture and toys, and there is a big clothes section too. I think the reason there are so few is everyone re-sells anything in good condition - I am far too lazy for the complex labelling required to sell at Mutter-kind group table top sales and not keen on doing a boot sale, so it goes to the charity shop, but think Germans are less lazy and more keen to see a return on their investment in terms of re-selling (sweeping national sterotype)

Admylin those hockey mothers sound awful. My 2 aren't old enough to have played football competitively yet (boys play from age 5, girls from 8, due to lack of opposition sides locally) but may next year if they are good enough I guess. Think dd will stand more chance of getting matches as there are fewer girls, but there are about 50 boys in each age class so don't know if DS will! We have watched one match played by the youngest boys and the parents did not seem aggressive!

Hmmm I should probably stop the baby pinching the sliced apple out of dd's Brotzeit box shouldn't I, choking risk and all... Mobile babies are a menace! (He is very cute though, better go stop him) :)

Gator · 27/01/2012 12:13

Thatis I think the best advice I have had so far has come from my mum & was echoed by my MIL! (You know your baby, if you're not sure talk to the Dr or midwife & don't take any nonsense from anyone else).
Another gem from yesterday - sleeping through the night (which DS has only done once anyway, I don't think we're in any danger of a good night's sleep anytime soon) will probably give him brain damage. Indeed.

I had a look at your FB pics and your three are very cute. The baby has a lovely smile.

I'm off to practise my snarl.....

Thatisnotitatall · 28/01/2012 07:48

Loads of snow here this morning - the kids have been out while DH shovelled snow but are back in again and both, but esp dd are being especially wild and weird and fidgety for some reason ... why do my kids think it's ok to injure me btw, are all kids like that with their mums? I don't mean aggression, I mean the sitting next to me kicking or squirming and head butting or jumping on me (and head butting) - they don't mean to hurt me, it's just that they don't seem to think it matters - I sometimes think they think I am a piece of play equipment not a person... It is annoying to say the least, though some days more than others and I feel permanently slightly injured atm as I am sleeping on a mattress with Henry as it is the only way I can now get a survival level of sleep, and it is doing my back in!

Gator Henry is now 9 months and 2 days old and has only slept through once - back when he was 3 months old! (By sleeping through back then I mean from when we went to bed til about 5am, not that fabled 7-7 myth which even my big kids don't do Wink ) Night weaning is on hold due to the fact Henry is producing Ghost Buster special effects volumes of snot atm and it doesn't seem fair, when he is healthy again we will try... He is always upright cruising the furniture/ people's legs, and standing alone for 10 seconds if he wants to use both hands now - maybe if he walks his sleep will sort on it's own...

teacakebiscuit · 29/01/2012 00:59

Linzor DC = dear children (sorry, new to the lingo). if that's what it is, then yes, a 2.5 yr old little boy. Any other Viennese mummys on here?

Gator I'm british, but will actually be moving over from California where we''ve been living for past 3.5yrs (husb is american, moved over here to be with him). SO excited to be moving back to Europe, I've been skipping around the room ever since we had the news that we were getting the job offer earlier in the week :)

teacakebiscuit · 29/01/2012 01:00

thatis i hear you, i just put my son down from a nap (that we're trying to give up) and got kicked in the stomach, lol!

LinzerTorte · 29/01/2012 06:49

Hope everyone's having a good weekend. We had an unexpected night out on Friday, when a friend asked DD2 and DS if they wanted to stay overnight (DD1 had already arranged to stay overnight at the neighbours'), and went out for a meal at a Greek restaurant down the road. It's the first time in years and years that both of us have been able to go out and drink as one of us is normally driving, and we got through a whole bottle of wine. Shock (I realise how pathetic this sounds, but anything more than a glass is normally too much for me!)

Spent most of yesterday working as I'm snowed under at the moment, but hoping to limit myself to just a couple of hours today as I managed to get ahead a bit yesterday. The DDs have been invited to a birthday party this afternoon and my friend texted me last night to ask if DS would like to go too to keep the birthday girl's little brother company, so we'll get another three hours of child-free time today. Shock Grin

teacake We also moved over to Austria from the USA (DH is Austrian but worked in Pennsylvania for a couple of years). I think the shop opening times were the biggest shock to the system, after being able to go shopping whenever we wanted! It was good to move back and be closer to our families, though.
I'm about half an hour south of Vienna and there are a couple of other posters in Vienna itself (platanos and coco), although neither has posted for a while.

Thatis Well indeed, no expensive English courses necessary for our DC. Grin (Although they're getting behind now as our neighbour's DD is learning French.) But I didn't think DS was particularly late learning to swim either. The swimming courses where the DDs learned to swim only take children from 5, so I was going to take him there in the summer - although if he learns to swim now (Saturday afternooons at a nearer pool are much more convenient), so much the better.

Gator Yes, we have the same contradiction here - children are seen almost as "losing their freedom" when they start school and even KiGa to some extent. Was talking to some neighbours last week about children starting school at 5 (i.e. a year early) and the general consensus was that you should gönn them that extra year of freedom. Honestly, you'd think you were sending them to prison. My SIL kept her DS at home until he was four, so I felt quite selfish about sending all the DC to nursery at two for the sake of my sanity. Then again, she did have my MIL to look after her DC while she was at work.

Sleeping through the night will give them brain damage?! I've heard some ridiculous things here, but that's a new one on me. The advice that your mum gaves you sounds excellent, and you can probably safely ignore anyone else (I also found myself ignoring certain medical professionals, although not the doctor) - certainly most of the advice given to you last week by someone who has less experience than you! We flew with DD1 to and from the USA when she was 9 and 15 months btw and she was fine both times (the only difference is that she didn't fit in the bassinet when she was 15 months!). The only thing I've heard about flying is that you should wait until the baby is about 4-6 weeks old unless it absolutely can't be avoided - the actual length of the flight doesn't make any difference, I don't think (although a longer flight may obviously be a bit more tiring for you!). Fifteen months is probably quite a good age as he's likely to be walking so you can take him for walks round the plane to pass the time, you can give him most types of food, he can occupy himself with toys for a bit longer, etc.

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LinzerTorte · 29/01/2012 06:53

teacake Yes, DC is dear/darling children, DH is dear/darling husband, etc. There's a link to a list of acronyms at the top of the page. (They're all here.)

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LinzerTorte · 30/01/2012 08:55

Oh, and if you haven't come across it yet, the Vienna Babies Club is definitely worth joining. Their website is also a mine of information.

Brr, freezing cold here today: -5°C when I did the school run. Now trying to get some work done, but I'm struggling to concentrate. I think a Brew might help.

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Gator · 30/01/2012 09:26

Thatis I laughed out loud at 'Ghost Buster special effects volumes of snot' Grin (sorry, I realise it's probably no laughing matter when you're in the middle of it. The situation, I mean, not the snot!)

I think we're quite lucky to only have one night feed now, especially in comparison to when I was BF three times a night, for two hours at a time, crying with pain the whole time. This is a walk in the park in comparison, although I'm sure that will change once teething starts.

teacake Ooh California sounds lovely! Make the most of the sunshine as it's freeeeeeezing over here at the moment. Is your DH looking forward to the move too?

Linzer I hope you enjoyed your child-free time this weekend! It sounds like it's a rare luxury. I hope DS is walking by the time we fly - I can send him up and down the plane to fetch me some wine and snacks - to keep him occupied and give him some exercise, of course, I'm not a monster. In fact, if he's walking he could take the suitcases for us too.....
(Why do I get the feeling these comments are going to come back and bite me on the bum the second we get on the plane?!)

With any luck we will finally have the new car tonight, and someone called as soon as DH put the old car on the internet and wants to buy it tomorrow night! He's paying cash and doesn't even want to test drive it. We were both instantly suspicious so we called FIL who said that's not that unusual and as long as we have a decent sales contract which specifies that he's buying the car as seen and that he has to register it in his name the next day then we should be ok.

admylin · 30/01/2012 09:56

Gator we've sold a car like that once and it is a funny feeling when they drive off with it still registered in your name! As your FIL says though, the contract has to be signed and then it's OK. Did you get what you wer easking for it too?
You asked about my new cookery book, it's the My Daddy Cooks one. HAve you seen his video blog? It's great www.mydaddycooks.com/ and the earlier ones are so cute (not the dad, the toddler who he cooks with!)

Linzer freezing here too today. Just waiting for dd to finish drying her hair and then we're going shopping. The dc have 2 days off school. I finished my book over the weekend, well started it at dd's dyslexia lesson on Friday night and finished it on Saterday afternoon. I go all anti social and ignore everything around me when I have a good book and this on ewas really good so if you haven't read it yet, it's definately worth it The help.

LinzerTorte · 30/01/2012 10:12

What do they have two days off school for, admylin? It's the Semesterferien here next week, so I'll have to think of a few things to keep the DC occupied. We were thinking about taking the DC skiing but DH is now going to be in Sweden for the first three days so we've cancelled that plan, but may still take them if we go to my ILs' at the end of the week and there's snow nearby. Snow is forecast here for the end of the week so it doesn't look like winter will be over for a while.

I read the Help last year and loved it; I wasn't too sure about it for the first page or two, but quickly got into it and then couldn't put it down . I'd really like to see the film, but no sign of it here yet.

Gator Hope you get your new car tonight and your old one sold as quickly as possible too. Getting your DS to fetch wine for you on the plane sounds like an excellent idea. The more wine, the better in fact (you could even slip a bit into his bottle and you'd all sleep well then). Wink Ah, I remember the days when I used to have wine on flights - back in the days before budget airlines when I didn't have to pay for it. I'd quite often get a bottle and take it off the plane with me to drink later. (Am assuming you wouldn't have to pay for it on a transatlantic flight, so I'd make the most of it. Grin)

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admylin · 31/01/2012 06:52

Linzer they have 2 days off to recover from Zeugnissausgabe! They did alright (average 2.5 and 2.7) but dh isn't so happy as he thinks they should now stop all TV, games and playing to sit and study more Hmm - wonder what the dc with 3, 4 or even 5 should do.

The Nachhilfe institutes are advertising like mad in the local paper and radio too.

Dh has just seen a job in Vienna but I'm half scared that the schooling there will be even harder than in Germany for my dc from what you say about your girls primary school tests. Anyway, he has only applied so no worry yet. He has applications running in London Ontario and Pasadena California too. Oh and he sent one off to Australia at the weekend too.

Gator did you get the car? Where did you advertise the old one?

LinzerTorte · 31/01/2012 08:33

Two days off to recover, admylin? I thought Zeugnistag was a big enough event here... mind you, they do get the Semesterferien to recover from the Zwischenzeugnis and then the summer holidays to recover from the main one, so I suppose two days is nothing in comparison. 2.5 and 2.7 sounds like good grades to me, esp. considering your DD's dyslexia. I can imagine DH reacting in the same way as your DH, though!

According to my friend who moved back from Germany when her DC were 8 and 9, they found primary school here very easy compared with Germany and got quite bored. Admittedly, all her children are very bright and my view of Austrian schools is skewed by the struggles that DD1 has had. DD2 OTOH is sailing through it without any problems; she's quite bright but not exceptional and most of her friends get the same grades as she does. Also, schools seem to vary an awful lot here. DH's niece and nephew go to two different Gymnasien and apparently the one that his nephew goes to is far easier.

I'm finally starting to warm up now after a run in the freezing cold - it was -7.5° when I set out and my fingers started to hurt after a couple of minutes, even though I had gloves on. We have snow forecast for the end of the week, though, so I wanted to get out before it arrives.

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Gator · 31/01/2012 08:55

admylin 2,5 and 2,7 sound like good grades to me! I haven't had a look at the website you linked to but will do today as it sounds really nice.
I haven't read The Help either but am tempted now I have heard you and Linzer talking about it. I just finished The Shadow of the Wind by Carlos Ruiz Zafon and I absolutely loved it.
Good luck with the job applications your DH has sent off. Do you have a preference as to where you'd like to move to?

Linzer Why, oh why, would you go running in -7.5 degrees?! The law clearly states that you must not leave the sofa unless absolutely necessary when the temperature drops below zero. (I'm in for a nasty shock when DS starts Kindergarten :) )

We have a lovely, shiny, new car! (Well it's 4 years old but it's new for us).
We picked it up last night but as we still have the old one I drove that home so haven't driven the new one yet. We are all set to meet the guy to sell the old one tonight. We sold it via mobile.de. I think it was fairly easy to advertise, DH just had a few problems with the photos being over 2mb each & then the account timed out a few times.

Does anyone else have problems with iTunes? I'm trying to change my address & payment details as Ihaven't used it since we were in the UK and it's a nightmare! It's really slow & lets me click on the links to change details then thinks about it, then stops. It won't load the store properly either and I'm desperate for a bit of Michael Buble! I downloaded the latest version yesterday but that doesn't seem to have made a difference. Where am I going wrong?!

hupa · 31/01/2012 09:23

admylin I´d be more than happy if my dc came home with those grades. How long does it usually take before your dh hears about his applications?
I had The Help on my Christmas list, but didn´t get it. I think I´ll have to buy it soon because I´d like to read it before I see the film. Mind you I´ve vowed not to buy any new books until I´ve got through pile of unread books I´ve got lined up on the shelves.

Gator I´m glad you´ve got the new car. Hope everything goes well this evening with selling the old one.

Linzer You must be completely mad running in this weather. Doesn´t it hurt your lungs, breathing in all that really cold air. I had to psyche myself up for a 2 minute walk to the bakers this morning.

The dc finish school early on Friday, so dh has booked us a weekend skiing trip to Austria. He´s really excited, but I think we´ll spent most of the weekend stuck in the car on the Autobahn.

hupa · 31/01/2012 09:30

Gator I forgot to say, dh had lots of problems with i-tunes a few weeks ago. I think he ended up contacting their customer service who were really helpful. I´ll ask him when I see him.

admylin · 31/01/2012 10:03

Hupa Gator and Linzer thanks about the grades, I'm also happy with them. I try to look at the percentage and what it would have been in my day when we got A to D grades. It's pretty hard to get a 1 in the German system. Dh has been scarred for life by his childhood schooling and tends to forget that it isn't the same here.

Trying to pluck up the courage to go out as I have a few jobs to do but it's so cold. Has to be done though so I'd better start getting my layers on!