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Wenn es im Winter stürmt und schneit, haben wir eine Flasche Glühwein allzeit bereit - life in Germany and Austria

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LinzerTorte · 25/11/2011 19:46

As I couldn't find a suitable poem mentioning Glühwein, I composed my own. Please don't laugh. Grin

All welcome - anyone living in Germany, Austria or anywhere else who would like to chat.

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5moreminutes · 11/01/2012 15:46

Haven't caught up properly but Gator that midwife is just pushing one point of view, not the ultimate "truth" as you well know - my DD sat unsupported at 3 months 5 days (I know because it was Christmas eve, I put her down in that position in front of Toy Soldiers on TV - quality parenting - and knelt behind her and realised she was colding herself up peering at the TV. She was getting herself into a sitting position from her tummy all on her own at 5 months - wonder if your midwife would have said she wasn't ready and I should stop her?? I think I would stop going to such an in your face my-way or nothing group in your position, but maybe that is not the most mature response.

I have a house full of kids again and haven't slept in months (it feels like). DD had invited a friend with permission (totally fine). Next door (irritating neighbors) 's 4yo came over on his own to call for DS, OK, I don't like him tbh but DS1 does. Then as he is taking his coat off he mentions his sister will come soon, she's just finishing her homework. Erm - not so fine. DD and she don't play together any more really, and she has already got an invited friend here. WWYD? Those 2 always seem to come as a pair, they are not my choice of kids to have here as they are both so demanding and entitled but also needy and the least self reliant German kids I have come across...

I let her in when she turned up but none of the other kids wanted to play with her - she was basically insisting I tell all the potehrs to play togehter with her, but she wasn't invited so I wasn't going to spoil dd'S play date by making them play with her tbh. I offered to let her play with the baby but she is not a natural with babies and I had to help - argh blimin' other people's kids! I really don't need somebody else's needy 6.5 year old on my hands! Now all 6 kids have ended up in the living room with me... at least dd is supervising the baby and guarding him.

A rant of my own oops - Gator yours was far more necessary.

I can't bring myself to comment on dieting and decluttering as my head is just not in those places - too full of children and sleep deprivation!

Gator · 11/01/2012 17:43

DH just revealed that he has never liked this particular midwife because of her attitude! He is of the same opinion as all of you. He did suggest not finishing the course but there are one or two women there who I wouldn't mind exchanging numbers with and if I miss the sessions the health insurance doesn't pay and I am landed with a bill so I think I will finish the course (there are only 5x 1.5 hour sessions left). Thinking about it now, alarm bells should have started ringing when she told everyone whose babies were lying on their backs that the babies would be 2 months behind all other babies developmentally if we didn't lie them on their tummies straight away. It didn't seem to occur to her that we might do this at home, we had only been there 5 minutes.

Right that's enough ranting from me for one day!

Linzer Exactly! I have no intention of restraining him.

Canella I've never tried zumba myself but my Facebook news feed is always full of people raving about it. It does sound fun.

5more The house full of kids sounds stressful - rant away :)
The neighbours' kids sound like a nightmare. Does the little girl not get the hint when the others don't want to play with her? What are the parents like?
Any sign of the sleep situation improving? [hopeful]

LinzerTorte · 11/01/2012 19:04

The midwife does sound very opinionated, Gator - sounds like a good idea to finish the course but just ignore her as much as you can.

How annoying, 5more - it can be difficult to cope with other people's children at the best of times, but if you've got a small baby and are sleep-deprived that must make it a hundred times worse.

Canella A friend persuaded me to go along to a zumba class with her once, and once was definitely enough - I'm just too uncoordinated! I couldn't do all the moves properly and would have struggled to cope with just legs or just arms on their own, but doing them together was a complete nightmare. My friend said that it does get much easier after the first couple of times, but I decided I would stick to running!
Jillian and her "best girls" can be a tad irritating, can't they? We were always complaining about smug Nadalee and whatever the other one was called (with the weird abs) on the C25k thread. I was reading another thread earlier today where someone else said her knee had been ruined by the Shred, so I'm definitely getting rid of it - will pack up the things to send to you soon, Gator. (Actually, I think it was falling downstairs in the middle of the night that did for my knee, but it was fine for ages until I started the Shred.)

Found out from a friend this afternoon that she's expecting her third. I don't think it can have been planned as they were going to be moving to Africa for a couple of years (her DH was due to leave next week), but that's all been cancelled now. She's the fourth or fifth friend of mine here to have an unplanned third (out of seven or eight friends with three children, some of whom might have been unplanned too but they didn't volunteer the information) - how can this be? Is there something in the water here?

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Canella · 11/01/2012 19:35

Stay away from whatevers in that water linzer! Think you're family is like mine - complete! My dc3 was a definite unplanned 3rd - but he is the most loving, cuddly one out the 3. But god forbid I had an unplanned 4th - that would tip me over the edge!

Think just get thro the course gator then stay away from that MW - she sounds nuts.

5more - think you need to be more assertive and send the other girl home the next time. She sounds like she's got that german thick skin. But the mother must love you if she can palm her kids off to you for the afternoon. Who said it the other day "no is a complete sentence"!!!

LinzerTorte · 11/01/2012 20:07

Oh, I shall do Canella. One of my favourite sentences in German is unsere Familienplanung ist abgeschlossen. Grin

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Gator · 12/01/2012 07:40

I'd definitely stop drinking the water if I were you, Linzer! (What a great excuse to drink more wine :) )
I look forward to trying the shred - no rush though, don't stress yourself about it.

Canella four kids sounds like a LOT of work! Well, three sounds like a lot too but that's coming from the mum of one fairly easy four month old. I have a lot of respect for anyone who has more than one as I really don't know how I would have got through the first three months with a toddler or two in tow as well. An auntie of mine has six - she is a saint but the kids certainly aren't

Canella · 12/01/2012 09:22

3 was a lot of work for a long time gator (dont really remember a lot of 2006 &2007 when dc3 was a baby!) but I dont find it too difficult now most days. I think they're all at a great age now (10, 7 & 5) - they're out of the dreadful toddler years but not teenagers yet. I'm trying to make the most of it as I believe the teenage years will be hell. I'm not ever broody but I do feel sad that I cant stop time and keep dc3 at this age - he is so affectionate and fun and its sad that he's the last one and in a few years he wont want to cuddle with me as much.

I have shredded again this morning - thats 3 mornings in a row - do I get a pat on the back??? But Linzer I looked at level 2 this morning - oh there is too much in a push up position and lots of lunges - think i'm destined to stay on level 1 for my whole life.

admylin · 12/01/2012 10:02

Admire those of you who have made it to 3 dc! I had my 2 really close together in age and it totally exhausted me although I loved every minute of their toddler times! Only I couldn't get up the courage to start all over again with sleepless nights so that put me off a 3rd and only having 2 hands and no help or family around. Looking forward to my grandchildren one day although dd says I'm not allowed to spoil them!

Dd had a trial dictation in school yesterday. There was a mistake on nearly every line. We're going to have to do some work at the weekend but I reckon she's in for a 6 when the real dictation takes place.

Internet went off again last night at about 7pm when I'd just said ds was allowed a bit of time online. He was very fed up. I spoke to the hotline and they said a technician would be in touch this morning. Of course the internet was back up and working when I got up this morning so he couldn't do anything.

5more, I agree with canella that you should send the other dc home when your dd has a friend there already. I used to have this in Berlin, neighbours dc would always want to be up in our flat and sometimes I would just have to say my dc aren't playing today or say you can call back later. The other mum must be over the moon at her dear neighbour who just loves to have a house full of dc!

Gator, good idea to stick it out if it's just another 5 times. You could get those phone numbers and then miss a couple though too!

silkenladder · 12/01/2012 10:35

Linzer I also just found out that some friends are expecting dc3. Hopefully I'll be able to find out whether it was planned they already have one of each so it can't be, can it? I dream of having four, but mostly of how lovely it would be to have frequent visits when they've all grown up and less of the driving them to zillions of afterschool activities, refereeing fights, etc. In any case, atm I'd be happy to be able to produce no. 2 .

Canella very impressed with your fleißig shredding. I'm another one who's half tempted to try it, but I've got too many other things that I'm failing to make time to do.

gator just to go back to the sitting thing - I bet half the mums at that course were thinking "oh, my dc loves to do that, too, I'm so glad that British woman is getting told off and not me!" Certainly everyone in my baby group used to do it and we all went to PEKiP, which is ridiculously anti-sitting. It is, in fact, a PEKiP exercise anyway, our instructor told us to make sure the baby is doing as much of the work as possible itself, ie. he should hold onto one of your fingers on each side, rather than you grabbing his wrists, and his head should be coming up first. In the PEKiP version you lower them back down without letting them spend any time in a sitting position, of course Hmm.
Re highchair sitting to eat, the paediatrician told me (without me asking, I hasten to add) that it was okay to sit a 6mo in a highchair supported by cushions for up to 1/2 an hour. The position with legs dangling apparently puts less stress on the back than sitting on the floor (this at least makes sense).
I think it's all based on a concern that babies should not skip stages in their motor development. So they should roll back to front, front to back, push up onto all fours, sit themselves up, crawl, pull up to standing, stand with their feet flat on the floor, cruise, walk, etc. Some babies do things in a slightly different order, but it's important they are doing everything themselves and that they do all stages. What exactly might go wrong if they don't is not always made clear. Tbh I've been brainwashed enough to think that it's not an altogether bad attitude. It certainly counteracts the natural parenting instinct to worry about child X doing something that mine can't yet and it reduces accidents (I once failed to prevent a friend's 5mo toppling over forwards from sitting and cracking his head on the wooden toy he was trying to reach - felt terrible about it for weeks).
But if you're still worried, go to Behaviour/Development and count how many pages it takes before you find the first thread titled "Help! 6mo not sitting yet" Grin.

Gator · 12/01/2012 10:54

Canella Well done on the shredding! I am still jealous of your willpower :)
It sounds like your DC are at a really nice age.

admylin The internet issues sound like a right headache! Is it wireless internet? I hope the technician eventually works out what the problem is.

silken DS is the second oldest at the baby group - there is one boy ten days older, one boy ten days younger and the rest are all a good month younger. He does exactly what you said - he pulls up himself and his head always comes up first. If I have him lying in my arms he launches himself upwards head first without holding on and cries if I try and keep him lying down. I'm not worried today - a good night's sleep (well, 5 hours, broken up by a night feed, but still) and unanimous responses from everyone here and DH have helped. I figure just go with it, as long as he isn't spending too much time in a sitting position - once he's up I support his back and belly anyway. It has made me a bit paranoid about the way I hold him but I'm sure I'll have forgotten all about it by this evening.

Today I am rocking the milk-chic look, soon to hit a catwalk near you. I bought some of the 3 month+ teats for DS' bottles and discovered this morning that the flow is still a little fast for him so changed to a 2 month+ teat mid-feed. This was, of course, the perfect moment for a spot of baby acrobatics and me, my clothes, my underwear, my hair, the wall, the sofa and the cushions were all soaked!

LinzerTorte · 12/01/2012 12:03

Oh, I remember that look Gator - it was quickly followed by the starting-baby-on-solids look, which was equally messy. Now I remember why I didn't bother wearing nice clothes for years and years! Btw I rarely need an excuse to drink wine. Grin I haven't had any for the last few days since DH has been away, and have found myself getting strangely thirsty in the evenings!

silken I always used to dream of having three or four (but quickly realised after DS arrived that three was my limit), but like you, glossed over the early years and just thought how nice it would be once they were all grown up. I do find it much easier now but am also slightly envious when I see friends' teenage DC taking themselves off to their own activities - I feel like a full-time chauffeur some afternoons. Hope no. 2 works out for you soon.

admylin One of the reasons I wanted a fairly small gap between DD2 and DS was that I knew if I left it much longer, I wouldn't be able to face going back to the sleepless nights etc. Must admit I wasn't a huge fan of the toddler years although looking back at them now, they went so fast and I wish I'd appreciated them a bit more.
Hope you get the Internet sorted out soon; it must be very frustrating.

Definitely a big pat on the back for you, Canella. I wouldn't say I found level 1 easy but at least I could do all of it. I really struggled with parts of level 2 though, especially the planks, and had to follow the strange abbed one with her simplified versions. All I can say is, thank goodness I have an excuse not to do it any more. Grin

Have just got back from school, so that's the two lessons out of the way for another fortnight. I'd planned to carry on teaching DD1's class about the family as I had a handout that I didn't get round to using before Christmas and had agreed with the teacher that I would do it afterwards, but it turned out she'd already done it with them! Fortunately I had a spare "just in case" worksheet with me (which the teacher had already photocopied), as I hate teaching off-the-cuff - I like to be very well prepared and know exactly what I'm doing, with the lesson all planned out. She was very apologetic though, and said it was time for her to retire!

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Canella · 12/01/2012 12:15

Oh gator - bet that was a great look Wink! And the smell of formula is so delightful - i remember it so well.

silken - hope you dont have to wait too much longer for no. 2.

linzer - i also like to be prepared so can see why you were stressed with the change of lesson. Not sure why the teacher taught it when there's you coming every week to do it?

I've got a cheeky hour to myself now - dd is at school, ds2 stays at kiga longer on a thurs and from today ds1 starts a guitar lesson. And its in the village so he doesnt need driven there. The teacher is over 80 tho so i'm slightly anxious as to how much longer it can last. But i'm going to enjoy eating my lunch in peace.

admylin · 12/01/2012 12:21

Linzer, sounds like the teacher really didn't think - good job you had something to fall back on!

Canella, what time does your dd usually get back from school? Is she coping well with the long days? My 2 get back at 1:30 for lunch but I notice dd starts to fade from Wednesday night onwards (after 2 hockey training sessions).

Dd needs a little bra top - this is a first so wondering where to look. I think it'd just be for sport really so she doesn't flash anything when bending down.

Canella · 12/01/2012 12:54

I'm also thinking about looking for little bra tops for dd - she's got some crop tops but was complaining about her boobs jiggling the other day. Not sure they actually were.Smile Next do german deliveries so maybe look there or do M&S deliver? Never seen any decent bras in the shops here (for me or dd!).

She's not home till 4.35 but she gets 2 hours off in the middle of the day and has no written homework to do when she's at home. She is exhausted some days tho but is normally asleep by 8.30 if not earlier.

LinzerTorte · 12/01/2012 13:03

admylin / Canella They have nice little bra tops at M&S - I actually bought some for DD1 not long ago, even though she doesn't need them yet, as they were very cheap in the sale (I've put them aside until she does need them). Yes, they delivery internationally; I think I paid about 7 pounds postage.

Our ridiculously busy afternoon is just about to start; as soon as the girls have finished their homework, we're off to pick up DS and go ice skating, and then have 20 minutes to get to DD2's first communion lesson afterwards. I'll be glad when today is over!

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LinzerTorte · 12/01/2012 13:04

What does your DD do in her two hours off, Canella?

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Canella · 12/01/2012 13:48

Hope your bust day goes to plan.
Dd has lessons from 8 - 11.15 then from 11.30 - 12.15 she has a homework lesson then she's got free time till 2pm (so not quite 2 hours). They go to a different building and have a warm lunch then do what they like there. There's sports facilities, music rooms, a dressing up room, a pool outside in the summer & each class also has a common room. They are allowed to do 2 organised activities a week in that time so she does drama & self defence. I really like the set up but its still a long day.

Did you get any further with a decision about schools for next year for your dd linzer?

admylin · 12/01/2012 13:49

I was thinking these tops maybe - is that something like you bought linzer or more like a real bra style?

Is there a cantine for your dd to go to Canella? Sounds good if she hasn't got any homework except learning vocab etc.

silkenladder · 12/01/2012 14:41

Don"t H&M do anything suitable, admylin? Or maybe try somewhere like Sportscheck for sports bras, although they are quite expensive unless you're near an outlet store. I bought some bras at hunkemöller last year once I had finally stopped bf, do they do kids stuff?

LinzerTorte · 12/01/2012 14:43

The ones I bought were more like little bras, admylin - 28AA, I think! Those look good too though, esp. for sport.

We're still tending towards the NMS Canella, but will probably make our final decision after we've been to the open day at the second Gymnasium next week.

Well, we're now at ice skating but only DD2 is actually skating. DS had a nasty fall at KiGa and cut his lip open; he's feeling very sorry for himself and so I've let him off this week. Still, looking on the bright side, I've only had to pay for one child - I've mislaid our 10er blocks (good denglish term) in the chaos at home and was very annoyed that I'd have to fork out for us all over again, but DD1 didn't want to go skating either as it turned out. Another plus is that I'll only have one child to get changed afterwards so we might actually make it to the first communion class on time.

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Gator · 12/01/2012 14:45

Good luck trying for number two, silken. I hope it doesn't take too long. How does your DD feel about the idea of a little brother/sister? Or is she a little too young to understand?

Linzer Had the teacher forgotten that you were going to cover family with the class? It's good that you had a back-up plan, off-the-cuff teaching would strike panic into my heart!
I hope your busy day goes as planned. It sounds like a military operation getting them all to the right places at the right times.

Canella How was your cheeky hour to yourself? Did you enjoy your lunch in peace?

admylin I don't think I've really seen any bra/crop tops here, but then I haven't really looked. I imagine somewhere like Karstadt or Kaufhof might be the place to look but they might be a little pricey.

I finally got my backside in gear and got some hoovering and mopping done this afternoon - DS was quite happy lying in his cot watching his monkey mobile for the duration, which is quite unusual for him. I'm calling it progress :) (This also means I have no excuse to avoid housework now, dammit!)

hupa · 12/01/2012 15:28

Wow this thread moves so quickly.

I forget who asked, but I had a lovely time in Munich. It´s always great seeing my brother. He and his wife are expecting twins in May which came as a big shock to both of them. My brother already has a dd who turned 16 at Christmas, but these will be the first dcs for his wife. I could see the fear in my brother´s eyes Grin, but his wife seems really relaxed about the whole situation. At the moment they´re renting a one bedroomed flat on the third floor with no lift. They´re hoping to move, but I imagine it will be a nightmare - either his dw will be huge or the babies will already be here. Rather them than me. It´s actually a shame that we live so far away, because I´d love to offer a helping hand.

Gator I´m glad to hear you sound more upbeat today.

admylin I wore the kind of tops you linked to all through my teenage years. I´m really flat chested so didn´t need any more support, but it used to drive my mum mad. She was always trying to get me into something that would make more of my rather small assets - goodness knows why.

Linzer My two tried ice skating for the first time in Munich and absolutely loved it. Dh, my brother and niece all ventured onto the ice, but I was too scared. I´ve only tried once when I was about 8 and decided it probably hurts alot more when you fall as an adult, so gave it a miss.

LinzerTorte · 12/01/2012 16:08

Gator I think a baby - even one who will entertain himself for a while - is still a good excuse to avoid housework. Grin

I'd started teaching the class about the family in the last-but-one lesson before Christmas and took in two handouts, but we only got through one of them. The teacher said she'd like me to do something about Christmas in the next lesson, and that I could finish off the family (i.e. with the second handout) in the first lesson after Christmas. But unfortunately she forgot and did the handout with the class herself!

hupa One of my friends has twins - I haven't met them yet, but they always look so sweet in photos; in many ways, it must be lovely to have two the same age (albeit rather stressful to start with).
I was also put off ice skating by a friend breaking her arm a couple of years ago (I'd only been twice as a teenager) but have got into it more since last winter. I've seen too many ambulances at ice rinks (although not at the one here) for me to relax completely, however.

We managed to get to the FC class with two minutes to spare, although I don't think that would have happened if I'd had to get DS changed too. He's still feeling very sorry for himself, can't speak properly and hasn't had anything to eat since breakfast apart from his KiGa snack, so I hope his lip starts healing soon. I'm just very relieved that he didn't knock any teeth out.

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LinzerTorte · 12/01/2012 17:15

Grin at my bust day, Canella. There's obviously been too much bra talk on the thread today!

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hupa · 13/01/2012 08:50

linzer How´s your ds this morning? Has he managed to eat any breakfast? Ds injured his lip last year and needed stitches, but it healed amazingly quickly. I hope your ds´s heals as quickly.

It´s snowing heavily here this morning, but I think it´s a bit too warm to settle. I hope is does because we haven´t managed to go sledging once this winter.

All this talk of exercise is making me feel guilty, but not guilty enough to actually do something. I´ve got a cross trainer here, but I´m only motivated enough to use it the summer when the thought of wearing a bikini suddenly prompts me into action.

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