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Shanghai? Advice please!

16 replies

Eeek · 18/01/2011 23:37

Hi,

my DH has been offered a 3 year assignment in Shanghai. I was all for it but now I'm having a wobble. Does anyone know it? Can you tell me what its like? We have two boys of school age so I'd be on my own during the day. I work atm so I'd be lady-who-lunches and am a bit worried about becoming lady-who-gets-drunk-at-lunch. The financial side looks good but...

What would you do?

EEEK

OP posts:
Missymoomum · 21/01/2011 07:07

Hi, i live in Beijing rather than Shanghai, but it's still China obv lol!! I've been here about 4 months now and so far so good. I've not been to Shanghai but i would imagine it's pretty similar to Beijing in terms of the expat community which is excellent (i also get the impression the shopping is better and there's an M&S i believe)! I live on an expat compound towards the outskirts of the city but here in Beijing there also many expat apartment buildings in the city too, it really depends on what you would want for your family. There are also lots of excellent international schools some of which follow the National Curriculum but they are pricey so you do need to make sure the school fees are included in your DH's package. My 2 children are both preschool age but they go to school in the mornings and the school they are at, is brilliant, i almost wish they were older so they got to take part in the all the out of school activities and opportunuties the older ones get! In fact, i wouldn't mind going back to school myself!

I've met loads of people of all nationalities - from the compound, the wives of DH's work colleagues and from the school and the community spirit is great because everyone is in the same position everyone tends to support each other.

Food shopping, there is a chain of shops that specifically target the expat community and sell imported food mainly from the US and Australia. It is a LOT more expensive and this is something you will have to come to accept if you want to continue to follow your Western diet, which tbh i do.

I would also imagine you would have a driver to drive you around as you have to have a Chinese driving licence to drive over here and tbh i'm not sure you would want to!! Most people (including myself) have an ayi (like a housekeeper) to come in either full time or part time to clean the house, look after the children etc. Mine comes and cleans every day as Beijing is very dusty as it's so dry and the floors get filthy. Plus no more ironing for me - yay!!!

Financially, it does look good on paper but expect the first few months to be a lot of expense. A lot of my friends all arrived at the same time as me and we've all said that we expected to save and as yet we're actually dipping into savings. I think the cost of food is part of that and then our heating bill is shockingly high as our heating system is ridiculously inefficient.

I would say it's a great adventure. It is incredibly frustrating sometimes when you can't properly communicate and you can't read any signs etc and you do have your down days but that comes with living abroad. I think it's only natural to have wobbles as it's a huge step, especially when you have children.

If you don't want to be a lady that lunches there are generally many different activities that you could get involved in or you could take up a new sport or hobby. I'd actually quite like to be a lady that lunches but i have to be back at lunch time for the school bus!!

Obvioulsy this is my experience of Beijing but i would imagine it would be fairly similar to Shanghai. Are you coming out on a look-see at all? I would definately try to push for one if it's not been mentioned yet as it is invaluable as you'll be able to check out housing and schools as well as get a feel for the city.

I've just realised i've majorly waffled on, so sorry Blush so i hope it's of some use to you and let me know how you get on.

4pinkbabies · 26/01/2011 11:59

Hi. i am in Shanghai..moved here last August with hushand and 4 girls, all under 8, the youngest has just turned 2. Missy's post is spot on. We have settled after a bumpy ride of 6 months. We have a full-time Ayi, who does everything house-wise and picks up the girls from school. We both work full-time and the financial benefits are huge. The weather is about 30-40 degrees in the summer and warm up until December, when in the space of 2 weeks it goes to freezing. The opportunities for wonderful, cheap holidays are vast. I have just been on a course in Hong Kong and we are going back in the summer to Disneyland. You must learn the language. I am a linguist anyway, and have found it fine, but my Dh struggles. The kids are all learning Mandarin at school. Be prepared to be stared at and photographed, especially the kids,we are like the 8th wonder of the world to the Chinese. We find it incredibly cheap here..there are wet markets full of fresh fruit and veg and the local supermrkets are vast. If you want English food, there are plenty of more expensive places..we go once a week and buy the treats that we cannot live without. There are brilliant fabric markets, where you can get cheap quality made-to-measure clothes. Chinese clothes shops only stock tiny sizes. I do shop in Next and M and S, but it is expensive. If you are not working, you will need hobbies ..the school will all have activities organised by the Mums. It's very safe for kids..there is pollution and I would recommend that you live in Pudong and not Puxi for that very reason. Jin Qiao is a lovely expat area, with lots to do and only 10 minutes taxi ride from the main area of Pudong. There is an Ikea, which we have used to do the girls' rooms, etc. Any other questions, just ask..I feel like a bit of an expert now!! Just one more thing..be prepared for people who push and spit and loos with no toilet roll..take your own. Apart from this, the Chinese will treat you well and do anything to help!

Missymoomum · 27/01/2011 07:52

Ooh 4pink, have you got a Next there too? So not fair, Beijing doesn't have either, although we do have H&M. Instead we just have the ridiculously expensive designer shops!! Mind you the markets are fab but you do have to become an expert on haggling and browsing is impossible!

I agree that you need to learn the language. I'm also a linguist and i must admit it seems quite an easy language to learn (i don't know what you think 2pink?) and my husband isn't but he doesn't find it too hard either and my children are bothing learning Mandarin at school.

4pink, what are your feelings on the fruit and veg here though? I'm still finding it very hard to relax over anything that's not organic and am constantly soaking and scrubbing veg as i'm so paranoid about the pesticides. I'm also quite picky over meat particularly chicken and will not buy fish at all.
We're planning on going to Disneyland in Hong Kong at some point too, you'll have to let me know what it's like!

Can't wait for the warmer weather, hopfully we won't be waiting for too much longer!

slim22 · 28/01/2011 10:07

"lady-who-lunches and am a bit worried about becoming lady-who-gets-drunk-at-lunch"

this has made me laugh so much.

Am in HK and was in Singapore previously..............that is so true, unless you are one of the gym bunnies- boob job for lunch- eybrow threading for desert & mani pedi for coffee type...while the childcare is outsourced!

such a stereotype but a slippery slope nonetheless.

Listen this part of the world is so exciting. You can do it all.
When I first moved to Asia, I had a baby (procreating is category N.3 of trailing spouses after the 2 above ;-) and went to back to work straight away, ended up setting up a business after 18 months, leaving the country and running the business from afar at the moment (whilst occasionally getting copiously drunk at lunchtime and planning a major body overhaul Grin )

Jump!

kf1979 · 31/01/2011 07:26

Hello there!

Jumped on this thread with great interest!

I have just (this week) moved to Shanghai from Hong Kong, know absolutely no-one here and am expecting my first child in June.

We'll likely be settling in Puxi, possibly in the French Concession although are in temporary serviced accommodation for the moment.

I would LOVE to meet other Shanghai MNers and can also recommend the Shanghai Mamas website so far for general info. Have no other useful info as I'm brand new here myself, but...

...as far as general expat life goes, don't worry too much about turning into a lady-that-lunches type! Plenty do, but plenty more find jobs of their own, study or volunteer to pass the time. That said, I'm quite looking forward to a bit of liquid lunching once junior arrives...!

Good luck!

EmmaNicole · 06/02/2011 19:33

Hello! My husband has been offered the chance of a job in Shanghai..we're at the early stages of considering it. I'd really welcome any thoughts on what it's like to live there...the good and the bad. We have a 2 year old daughter so I'm particularly interested to know about the International schools, and the best place to live. We're really excited about the prospect but know nothing about China! Thx.

4pinkbabies · 12/02/2011 13:11

Hi! Welcome to Shanghai Kf! Hope you are ok. Just ask away if you have any questions..I will try my best. Emma..we got here last August with 4 small girls, youngest was 18 months and eldest 8, so have been through all you are considering. Obviously choosing a school would depend on where you husband's job is/ whether you want to live in Puxi or Pudong..You can see the pollution over Puxi from Pudong, although probably not nuch worse than London, but personally i wouldn't live there. Often go in by tube, but it does worry me at times. Just come with a very open mind. Your daughter is at a great age to do this..my 7 and 8 year olds found it hard. The 4 year old was easier. There are lots of great things about Shanghai..the friendly people will love you, the great shopping and food, the opportunities for travel, the chance to make some money and save for the future. You will also probably have an Ayi, who will do all your housework and babysit if you want her to. Any other questions, just ask :)

EmmaNicole · 12/02/2011 16:06

Hi 4pinkbabies - thanks so much for your reply. I too would be worried about the pollution so it sounds as though Pudong would be for us too. We are very excited about the prospect of trying a completely different culture (though our families are not too sure!) I've googled on the net and it looks as though there are 3 International schools which follow the English curriculum - are they all considered as good as each other? I'm not exactly sure where hubbie's office would be located, I guess a lot will be determined by that. We are expecting to have some firmer decisions in the next month (hubbie's been offered the choice of France or Shanghai) so no doubt I'll have more specific questions then. And btw....4 girls!! Wow, I struggle to cope with 1! xx

4pinkbabies · 13/02/2011 09:16

Hi! Well have a good look at them all. We are both teachers at BISS Pudong..all my girls are there, the little one in pre-nursery. We are very happy as parents..we teach in secondary. It's lovely and the kids are wonderful. Biss also has a campus in Puxi. I honestly don't know a great deal about the other schools..we have been so busy settling ourselves and the girls in that we haven't taken a lot of notice. Believe me, I understand the family thing..my parents still struggle although they are coming over in April. Good luck with all the decisions..I remember it well. It's like living in limbo.X

Shanghai · 16/02/2011 11:58

Had no idea there were so many MNers in Shanghai! I'm here as well - have been nearly 4 years now and love it! Can be difficult sometimes but most of the time any difficulties are more than balanced out by the benefits. You've had some good advice here so I'll just encourage you to join ShanghaiMamas.org - basically like MN for expats in Shanghai! and they'll answer any question you've got (or ask me directly!) - has saved my sanity many a time!

Hey - anyone know how to get a "China" group on the local MN section?? Even an Asia group would be good!

nappychanger · 08/01/2012 02:37

Greetings from Shanghai...havent looked on this website since I left London a year ago. Would recommend Shanghaimamas.org and shexpat for advice. Now we have settled really enjoying the experience...its also fantastic to be able to travel with 2 kids to some great locations : ) Happy 2012!

TopazMortmain · 08/01/2012 06:14

Running into thread to say Shanghai is awesome (and all us mumsnetters here should meet up!)

Only just moved here but really like it... Feel free to PM me OP!

Indaba · 09/01/2012 21:01

no advice.....but lucky you!

TinaO · 01/08/2012 23:53

Hi,
Our family is relocating to Season's Villa, Pudong with our 2 year old daughter this September. We are hoping to send our daughter to The Child's Academy preschool in the German centre. Does anyone have any experience or feedback for this school? Or any advice on other preschools near to Season's Villa. Thanks

MuffinTumMum · 02/08/2012 11:30

We are moving to pudong next week. Sorry don't have any info about the school but when you get there and you fancy a coffee, PM me! We looked at seasons villas too. Great pool! Good luck with your move Smile

Shangers · 05/08/2012 18:26

Don't have any personal experience but have only heard good things about it. there are other options in the area I know but my mind has gone totally blank! (been away too long this summer!) have you searched on Shanghaimamas.org? I'm sure I'm seen it discussed on there a few times. (search function is a bit rubbish at the moment but if you can't find it, just post again.) ...... maybe see you at a shmamas afternoon tea at some point!

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