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Help needed!? 2 Lesbians trying to have a baby?

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gabfodi123 · 18/09/2022 15:13

Thanks for your help. We really do not know where to start. Myself and my wife are in Scotland and are looking to have a baby.
We are looking for help from people who have found sperm donors? where from? what options did you have? the process?
Then did you have an home insemination or at a clinic? If at home how did you store/use the donor sperm?
A lot of questions but anyone who has had similar experiences I would really appreciate it! Thank you!!!

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Summerslam · 18/09/2022 15:18

My daughter and her wife (in England) used a clinic in Doncaster for donation. Insemination was done at the clinic. They got a reduced price by donating eggs. Another friend advertised online for a sperm donor and paid this man £60 for a sample - I would be wary of going this route to be honest. At the clinic, every donor is screened and vetted.

I have two beautiful little grandsons now (2 years apart, same father) and may daughter and her wife are fabulous parents.

Wishing you lots of luck, whatever route you choose to motherhood.

Raul57 · 18/09/2022 15:20

Clinic is Sevenoaks

Raul57 · 18/09/2022 15:20

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SpidaMama · 18/09/2022 15:22

Is there anyone you can ask to be a donor?

I wouldn't want a professional donor as if be worried how many babies were in the area of his.

gabfodi123 · 18/09/2022 16:02

Thank you. We are in Scotland. Its the finances that could be the issues with that of course...soo much money for same sex couples isn't it?

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gabfodi123 · 18/09/2022 16:04

We did ask someone that we thought would be a perfect donor but he did not think it was something he was able to do. Its a hard thing to ask someone but its understandable some people are not up for that.

Does anyone know of people using banks abroad and doing home insemination?

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Marmight · 20/09/2022 17:18

European sperm bank with delivery to a Nuffield hospital offering IUI.
All above board as you both will be noted as parents officially.

Its not cheap and unfortunately it didn't work for us, probably due to other reasons (age)
Using the European sperm bank meant that we could select a donor who had already conceived children this way and also there is a limit of number of children per country

PlumPudd · 22/09/2022 10:55

@gabfodi123 My wife and I have one kid, (she gave birth) and another on the way (I’m pregnant). Same donor so our kids will have a genetic link. We’re in England.

We did a ton of research before starting, largely because there is no clear guidance available from the NHS or clinics or charities (Stonewall’s guidance on getting pregnant as two women has not been updated since 2009 and the law has changed multiple times since then). So may as well pass on some of what we found out.

Not sure if the situation is different in Scotland, so do check as it may well be.

  1. If you and your partner are married or in a civil partnership and you go through an HFEA registered fertility clinic you’ll both be the legal parents of the child at birth.
  2. If you and your partner aren’t married / civilly partnered and you go through an HFEA registered clinic, you can both be the legal parents of the child at birth, but you will have to sign a lot of consent forms before every round of IUI or IVF.
  3. If you don’t use a clinic, and either get sperm of the internet and do it at home or use a friend and do it at home, then I think whichever one of you didn’t give birth may have to adopt the child or similar but it’s worth checking this out. It may be different if you are married etc. We didn’t consider this route so didn’t research all the ins and outs.
  4. if you’re using a sperm bank the majority of the banks / sperm seem to be either in the US, Denmark or the UK. They all operate according to their countries laws in terms of how much info they release about the donors. US banks give you the most info, for some donors you can get things like IQ scores, adult pictures, personality tests etc. but they aren’t quite as tightly regulated. The Danish ones give you quite a lot of info once you create a login, usually baby pictures, details of their job, interests, appearance and family health and background. No adult pictures. They are really well regulated. UK banks give you much less info and no pictures. They are well regulated.
  5. If you’re getting your treatment in the UK you have to comply with UK HFEA laws which means only using sperm bank donors that have agreed to be non anonymous (your kid can get access to their profile at 16 and their contact info at 18), and only using donors that have created less than 10 UK families already. If you don’t want to do this, or want to get treatment abroad because it’s cheaper you can, but will have to comply with the laws of whatever country you get treatment in. We didn’t consider this, but it would probably be logistically complex, because the timing of treatment needs a sync with your cycle.
  6. There generally isn’t good availability of donors in the UK, but there is much better in Denmark where donation is seen as more altruistic and similar to organ donation than in the UK where it’s seen as a bit of embarrassing and odd.
  7. There are way more white donors than non white, so if you are looking for a donor who is black, Asian, Jewish etc you may have more limited options.
  8. All the banks test donors for diseases, STIs, HIV etc. Plus the donors are screened and regulated so while it’s costly there are definite advantages to using a bank. I think most banks now won’t ship sperm to your home, only to a registered clinic, so you do have to go the expensive route if you use a bank.
  9. Buying sperm is costly, but the banks do charge different amounts so do your research. Crucially a lot of them also have buy back options, so if you bought say ten units of sperm, and you and your partner used six of them to conceive two kids, but you left the other two units in storage at the original sperm bank, they will usually buy those leftover units back from you for 75% of the cost. HOWEVER, if you ship the sperm to your clinic in the UK they won’t buy it back, so if you want to bulk buy enough sperm to have more than one kid, it’s worth thinking about where you store it.
  10. The UK has a rule whereby each donor can only be used to create ten families in the UK. So if you’re buying sperm from the UK or abroad, you have to find a donor that had already created less than ten families. You can filter for donors with UK availability when searching online but it does mean there is more competition for donors and good new ones tend to get all their ten slots sold out fairly quickly. So if you go down the speed bank route, do be prepared to keep checking for new donors or ask to be sent alerts.
  11. The UK has just published a new women’s health strategy which now says that female same sex couples can get six rounds of IUI funded on the NHS, which should takeaway a lot of the cost. You will almost certainly still need to provide / buy your own sperm. I don’t know if this strategy is already being implemented or not. The best thing to do is get an appointment with your GP, (try to find one who will be understanding) and specifically ask them about this, and get yourself into any waiting lists. amp.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/20/a-giant-step-charities-welcome-plan-to-widen-access-to-ivf-on-nhs
  12. If you can’t get NHS funded IUI and you want to go through a private clinic BE AWARE that the clinic will insist you have a lot of tests and investigations before they will do any treatment for you. They won’t tell you this (because why would they) but you do not have to get these tests done with your private clinic and pay for them. You can get most of them done on the NHS for free. Just make sure you get your chosen clinic to give you an exact list of what specific kinds of tests you need, and how recent they need to be, then go to your GP and ask for them. It takes a bit of organisation to do this but it can save you up to a grand. Don’t be shy about this, you live in a country with free healthcare, and you have a right to get these tests and your GP has to help you. Once you’re pregnant your clinic may also suggest you do things like early scans and blood tests with them. You can get these but they are totally unnecessary and will cost more. Just ask before every test and procedure and medication they suggest, “do I have to have this, is it optional, what impact will it have on my chances of getting pregnant / on my pregnancy?” Then decide if you want it (and want to pay) or not.
  13. If you do use a clinic, do your research, costs vary a lot, and ultimately you’re going to get exactly the same medical procedures wherever you go. Some people I know who went with a clinic that spends a lot on advertising and talks a lot about being expert at treating same sex couples and charges more. They didn’t have a great experience and found once they’d started treatment the lovely welcoming marketing people vanished and they felt they were treated bit like cash cows on a production line.
  14. If you do use a private clinic, don’t pay much attention to their figures - aka how many people they’ve successfully got pregnant. All the clinics treat infertile straight couples as well as fertile and infertile same sex couples and the figures are all mixed in, so for you (unless you also have fertility issues) the stats will be pretty meaningless because they’ll mostly refer to straight couples with fertility issues.

I don’t know much about the options for you if you don’t want to use sperm from a sperm bank, or inseminate at home as we didn’t really consider this. Do read up on it though, as while it’s cheaper, there are some risks to using a donor you find on the internet.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pseudo-science-and-fascism-the-dark-side-of-sperm-donation-5zgtrbb2s

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pseudo-science-and-fascism-the-dark-side-of-sperm-donation-5zgtrbb2s

There are probably good websites and bad websites, and ways to try to screen donors you find this way yourself if you go down this route. Others may be able to help more.

Anyway, I hope this helps. The best thing to do is equip yourself with as much information as possible before deciding what you want to do and can afford. I’d start with a trip to a friendly GP for a chat.

YelloCar · 22/09/2022 11:03

Please don’t use internet freebie donors, there are so many awful stories coming out.

@PlumPudd has excellent advice. The only thing I’d add is to look at AccessFertility to help with costs or look at any packages the various clinics you research have.

PlumPudd · 22/09/2022 11:10

SpidaMama · 18/09/2022 15:22

Is there anyone you can ask to be a donor?

I wouldn't want a professional donor as if be worried how many babies were in the area of his.

The HFEA limits the number of families a donor from a sperm bank can be used to create in the UK to ten at the max. They also insist that all donor sperm used in the UK comes from non anonymous donors, meaning your kid will get their info at 16 and their contact details at 18, so the chances of your kid shagging a half sibling at the local pub without knowing are slim, as both kids will almost certainly know they are donor conceived, and there won’t be that many of them in the UK.

If you don’t go with a donor from a registered bank, and go with someone on the internet you have no real way of knowing how many kids they have had. One reason I personally wouldn’t go down this route.

Using a friend is probably the best option IF you can find someone who wants to do it and who is prepared to play exactly what role or non- role you want them to, and won’t ever change their mind and who is prepared to get all the medical tests done. It’s probably quite a tough thing to find though.

We briefly considered going down the friend route and did ask one person, but he felt that while he’d probably be okay with it (although he wasn’t 100%) his parents really wouldn’t understand and would want to be grandparents and have rights etc. and would nag him to be a “dad” to our children. Ultimately we decided it would be much better for our kids if there wasn’t any confusion over who their parents and grandparents were and if they didn’t have a random uncle figure around who might at a later stage get a surge of fatherly feeling and decide to come into or out of their lives.

We’ll be open with them about how they came about, which is overwhelming the recommend approach nowadays, and if they want to contact their donor at 18 we’ll support them to.

Efdee · 23/09/2022 18:14

Sent you a PM @gabfodi123

gabfodi123 · 23/09/2022 20:30

Thanks you soo much for all your help. We will be looking into all avenues. We really appreciate all the information from @PlumPudd@PlumPudd

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oxydant · 23/09/2022 20:31

gabfodi123 · 18/09/2022 16:02

Thank you. We are in Scotland. Its the finances that could be the issues with that of course...soo much money for same sex couples isn't it?

If you can't afford the donor, how can uou afford to bring the baby up?

ApplePears · 24/09/2022 13:58

oxydant · 23/09/2022 20:31

If you can't afford the donor, how can uou afford to bring the baby up?

@oxydant It’s not just the donor sperm. It’s that you can’t have donor sperm delivered directly to you to DIY at home, so you have to go through a fertility clinic. Tests, storage, ICI IUI or IVF - they’re all incredibly expensive things.

If you have fertility problems that’s a whole other situation, but if you have no fertility problems (that you know of) and are having to use a clinic just because of the donor sperm delivery then it feels like a disproportionate amount of money.

RascafríaMom · 24/09/2022 21:09

In Spain. Everything by law with donors is anonymous if not married or with your partner. Sperm was included in the IVF package, and by law there can be no more than six live births from the same donor. We don't know much beyond blood type and age, though they do say they do match donor sperm with other mother's race, eye color and hair color. €12000 all in for IVF with Ropa Method for the first. Should be €2200 for the second.

gabfodi123 · 27/09/2022 13:06

@oxydant I do not appreciate your statement. If you do not have any helpful advice then you do not need to say anything. It can cost up to £20000 for a same sex couple to just conceive a child. Let me ask you does every heterosexual couple that conceive have to prove they have the money to raise a child? do they have to have that amount of money up front before they can even consider conceiving?

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gabfodi123 · 27/09/2022 13:06

@RascafríaMom Thanks for your input. I appreciate it

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gabfodi123 · 27/09/2022 13:09

@Marmight Thank you very much for your help. It is good to know a company like Nuffield is a UK wide company. I wonder if I would be able to drop you a private message?

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Marmight · 27/09/2022 13:20

@gabfodi123
Please do, I'll keep an eye out for it 😀

OhHolyJesus · 29/09/2022 13:39

You might find this podcast series useful OP.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/m00120sb?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

The recent court case of online sperm donor James MacDougall with Fragile X syndrome may also be worth a read.

LifeIsBusy · 17/10/2022 22:59

One thing that Scotland has that England doesn't always offer is access to the NHS fertility treatments. Providing you qualify and meet the criteria you can be put on the waiting list (was a year pre covid). Scotland will fund 6 IUI ls and then 2 IVF cycles if the IUI fails with donor sperm.

Good luck!

TheBatwoman · 19/10/2022 00:16

My wife and I used a US sperm bank and had four cycles of IUI at a clinic here in the UK (Wales) between 2020-2021, so fairly recently.

We liked the appeal of the ‘all above board’ approach too. We decided on this approach, as it seemed a better option for us both healthwise (donor screening etc) and legally. My wife and I are both named parents on our twins’ birth certificates and the whole process was so easy. We went with the US clinic, as there was a huge choice of donors compared with the significantly lower choice of donors here in the UK or in the European sperm bank. Any sperm banks abroad also have to comply with UK regulations and there was a limit on the number of families for each donor with our donor.

Something to also consider between you would be whether you are both truly comfortable with using a known donor. My wife was much happier with using an anonymous overseas donor, as she was less comfortable with the idea of a more local (especially known) donor. It’s really important that you have an honest conversation about this aspect, as it can be a sensitive area, especially for whoever is not the biological parent. It is also good to have an open and honest conversation about what (if anything) matters to you both when picking a donor. We made a long(ish) list of prospective donors based on our shared priorities, then shortlisted and I agreed my wife could have the final say, as I didn’t really mind anyway and it was more important to me that she felt completely included in the process.

As a PP mentioned, it may be worth checking the funding situation in Scotland, as it may be that you are eligible for funded treatment where you live. Wishing you all the best.

Pregnantlesbemum · 03/01/2023 02:27

Hi, just came across your thread, I'm currently pregnant and in Scotland. We are a married couple same sex couple. We did quite a lot of research so I'd you are still ongoing feel free to drop me a message x

Lec92 · 19/01/2023 21:52

Hi I’m in the same boat! I’ve managed to get a referral through my GP to the local assisted conception unit (five month wait) and I still don’t know if I can get NHS funded IUI since we haven’t had any private? My GP was absolutely useless and acted like he’d never met a lesbian before 🙄🙄

mrsmw132 · 20/01/2023 20:05

gabfodi123 · 18/09/2022 16:02

Thank you. We are in Scotland. Its the finances that could be the issues with that of course...soo much money for same sex couples isn't it?

Hi @gabfodi123 - we are in Scotland and are going through this just now. We went through our GP and qualified for NHS funding. Happy to answer any questions I can ❤️