Gender-affirming surgery linked to better mental health

[Shizuku]

www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/gender-affirming-surgery-linked-better-mental-health-study-finds-n1266033

“This study adds to a growing body of evidence showing affirmation in all forms can be life-saving for trans and gender-diverse people,” said lead author Anthony Almazan, a fourth-year medical student at Harvard Medical School. “Policies that limit access to care can put lives at risk. Our evidence shows we should be expanding gender-affirming care, not limiting it.”

I find it fascinating that the idea that we are focussed on women's rights seems so incomprehensible to some. It just does not compute.

So you would remove yesterdays posts about Elliot Page - an American trans man?

Elliott Page is biologically female and a role model for young people however they identify. The issues with trying to identify out of the female sex class are very relevant to FWR.

@DickKerrLadies

I find it fascinating that the idea that we are focussed on women's rights seems so incomprehensible to some. It just does not compute.

I find it unsurprising.

@ArabellaScott

Thank goodness we have NICE and the NHS to rely on in the UK - evidence based medecine that is not in thrall to insurers and profit-driven healthcare.

Well, quite.

And, the paper that is the topic is based on is a secondary analysis of survey data from 2015 (to elaborate a little on NotBadConsidering well made points).

I would also highlight something that I'm sure various others will pick up on as it reduces the pool of possible responders. As a first principle, in order to be assessed as eligible for gender-affirming surgery, individuals should undergo mental health screening so this alters the pool of people who go forward to have it. It changes the baseline score relative to those who are not eligible, and says something about the level of support network available which might have an impact on recovery, support on outcomes etc.

This is an interesting paper and the authors did conducted a secondary analysis of data that are available. This is nowhere near the quality you'd need for an evidence-based scrutiny. There is a need for robust data to develop evidence-based guidelines.

@334bu

Fourth year medical student???? Lead author???.

I was at that too

It has taken untill 2021 to extract positive outcomes from data collected via a survey in 2015?

“it just makes it look like you don't have the faintest idea how science works.”

😂😂😂😂
Brilliant.

@ArabellaScott

But why twice? Was it a mistake, would you like to ask MN to remove one of your posts?

2 different studies

@OhHolyJesus

Wow *@FightingTheFoo* I hadn't seen that before.

And the joke to a child about being alone star whisky taking a photo of the mutilated genitals. How wholly inappropriate, sick in fact.

So completely shocking.

Yes I forgot that was in this clip too - appalling isn't it? Marci Bowers is a trans woman. Presumably that's how they can get away with making such comments. I imagine if a male surgeon - certainly in the UK - made comments about photos of their underage patient's vagina and looking like a porn star, they'd be reported to the GMC.

2 studies on the same topic? It's like you're trying to take up as much space as possible.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

So you would remove yesterdays posts about Elliot Page - an American trans man?

Elliott Page is biologically female and a role model for young people however they identify. The issues with trying to identify out of the female sex class are very relevant to FWR.

And this survey includes large numbers of people like him, so what's your point?

@334bu

Fourth year medical student???? Lead author???.

Ah - you think they lack sufficient experience in this area? In which case, you must take a pretty dim view of Transgendertrend.

Two identical threads and neither anything to do with feminism.

Oh, it's you again. I won't bother opening what is no doubt a very biased, uninformed and lacking in statistical robustness link.

@334bu

Fourth year medical student???? Lead author???.

Thought the same. In the US medicine is post graduate, but still, not qualified and a lead researcher raises some quality (and funding) question marks...

I saw the thread title and just knew it was going to be started by you Shizuku. I'm not sure you are convincing anyone.

@Mulletsaremisunderstood

I saw the thread title and just knew it was going to be started by you Shizuku. I'm not sure you are convincing anyone.

I'm not sure the aim it to convince anyone.

www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/09/71296/?fbclid=IwAR1qhY36S81bxLIL-Gm04MemcwA8R0OBpG5iCy_CrUM6tGttrO98Un-WLTE

I find it fascinating, @Shizuku, that you've completely ignored my post which says I'm actually for body modification surgery - as long as it's done to consenting adults who fully realise the risks.

You don't seem very concerned about cowboy surgeons and the hundreds if not thousands of trans people who have undergone these surgeries only to be left scarred and in some cases disabled?

You don't seem very concerned that many of these surgeons are not fully communicating the risks to their patients but happily taking their money in the knowledge it's almost impossible to get sued if you fuck up?

You don't seem very concerned at how little oversight there is of this kind of surgery and how so many patients are being used as guinea pigs?

Reddit, YouTube, blogs etc are absolutely littered with testimonies of trans people whose surgeries have gone wrong. Hell, even Jazz Jennings, the most famous trans kids on the planet, has had to have FOUR genital surgeries (that we know of) because each one has gone so badly wrong.

I really hope that as a staunch supporter of transgender rights you spend as much time campaigning for safer surgeries for trans folks as you do posting on Mumsnet. Somehow... I doubt it though.

[quote 334bu]www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/09/71296/?fbclid=IwAR1qhY36S81bxLIL-Gm04MemcwA8R0OBpG5iCy_CrUM6tGttrO98Un-WLTE[/quote]
I'm not sure that a conservative, homophobic organisation is quite the gold standard source you think it is:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witherspoon_Institute

"The Witherspoon Institute opposes abortion and same-sex marriage"

"In 2012, the Witherspoon Institute drew public attention for having funded the controversial New Family Structures Study (NFSS), a study of LGBT parenting conducted by Mark Regnerus, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Texas at Austin. The study was criticized by major professional scientific institutions and associations, as well as other sociologists at the University of Texas.[24] The University of Texas conducted an inquiry into the publication and declined to conduct a formal investigation in keeping with its policy that "ordinary errors, good faith differences in interpretations or judgments of data, scholarly or political disagreements, good faith personal or professional opinions, or private moral or ethical behavior or views are not misconduct."[25] The sociology department of the University of Texas, however, said the Regnerus study was "fundamentally flawed on conceptual and methodological grounds and that findings from Dr. Regnerus' work have been cited inappropriately in efforts to diminish the civil rights and legitimacy of LBGTQ partners and their families.""

Who are you posting next? Rod Liddle?

Does anyone know if the data are analysed separately for the two sexes? I'd like to know if there's a difference for bio men and bio women.
Also, a cohort of people transitioning by 2015 is going to be very different (and more likely to represent higher levels of different types of dysphoria) than the cohort of people (predominantly females) presenting now.

Interesting study, but needs examination.

@FightingTheFoo

I find it fascinating, *@Shizuku, that you've completely ignored my post which says I'm actually for* body modification surgery - as long as it's done to consenting adults who fully realise the risks.

You don't seem very concerned about cowboy surgeons and the hundreds if not thousands of trans people who have undergone these surgeries only to be left scarred and in some cases disabled?

You don't seem very concerned that many of these surgeons are not fully communicating the risks to their patients but happily taking their money in the knowledge it's almost impossible to get sued if you fuck up?

You don't seem very concerned at how little oversight there is of this kind of surgery and how so many patients are being used as guinea pigs?

Reddit, YouTube, blogs etc are absolutely littered with testimonies of trans people whose surgeries have gone wrong. Hell, even Jazz Jennings, the most famous trans kids on the planet, has had to have FOUR genital surgeries (that we know of) because each one has gone so badly wrong.

I really hope that as a staunch supporter of transgender rights you spend as much time campaigning for safer surgeries for trans folks as you do posting on Mumsnet. Somehow... I doubt it though.

I am actually deeply involved in helping trans people avoid dodgy surgeons.

One more link, to underscore my point https://thefederalist.com/2018/12/06/9-transgender-patients-complain-mutilation-botched-sex-change-surgeries-oregon/

Walt Heyer, who wrote this article, is a desisted trans woman who had elective body modification surgery to live as a trans woman and then transitioned back to male (as best he could given that the surgery is, of course, irreversible).

Take these findings out to trans people then, Shiz. Use your time positively to support the trans community where you can have a useful impact. Stop 'educating' feminists in a different country from you and focus on your community.

@FightingTheFoo

One more link, to underscore my point [[https://thefederalist.com/2018/12/06/9-transgender-patients-complain-mutilation-botched-sex-change-surgeries-oregon/]]

Walt Heyer, who wrote this article, is a desisted trans woman who had elective body modification surgery to live as a trans woman and then transitioned back to male (as best he could given that the surgery is, of course, irreversible).

The Federalist? Wow - you really are scraping the bottom of the far right barrel there. But since you describe Walt Heyer as a desisted trans woman, you might want to read his actual biography:

According to him, he was given

". . . a treatment for a disorder [gender identity disorder] I didn't have. I wasn't a man trapped in a woman's body. I was an alcoholic with dissociative disorder."

-- (Trading My Sorrows, p118.)