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DD 13 overdosed and thinks she’s trans

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QueenBing · 10/11/2023 22:41

I’ve posted this on another topic area too.
I am really struggling to deal with this. This might be a bit long but I don’t want to drip feed.
DD is 13, openly lesbian and has a girlfriend. Just under 2 years ago, her dad and I split up and divorced due to him cheating on me multiple times. He moved an hour away and he sees DD (13) and DS (11) on Sundays for 6 hours. This is his choice. ExDH has a very strained relationship with DD, they argue a lot and he’ll simply walk away from her and blank her for weeks at a time. A few months after we split, DD took 3 overdoses weeks apart (first was ibuprofen, second was paracetamol…I thought I’d hidden all the tablets in the house but I’d missed a pack, I still feel the guilt, third was a massive paracetamol overdose when she’d been out with her dad and he’d bought 2 packets of paracetamol and he’d left them in their picnic bag). She admitted she was struggling with the divorce and family breakup and also she felt that she was in the wrong body. The last overdose was July 2022. Since then, if she’s had period pain or headaches, I’ve given her 2 paracetamol which I’ve made her take in front of me. It turns out that for the last few months she’s been spitting them out and hiding them in her room, she’s collected 8 tablets. She confided in a teacher at school this week and the teacher rang me. We had a talk and she said she’s still struggling adjusting to our new family set up, she feels excluded in her dad’s new life and she wants to be a boy. She also told me she’d told her dad she was keeping the tablets but he didn’t tell me. I have had words with him about this saying it’s basic safeguarding to tell me in order to keep her safe (we’re both teachers, he should know better) but he deflected responsibility onto me saying it was my fault for not checking DD had swallowed the tablets properly and if I made more of an effort with her I’d have known she was hiding tablets. Since July 2022, all tablets have been in my handbag and my handbag goes all over the house with me.
The gender dysphoria has now ramped up and she wants to live as a boy; cutting her hair, changing pronouns and changing name. With everything going on, she’s vulnerable and she’s under the youth mental health team. They’ve recommended I refer to an organisation which specialises in LGBT+ issues which I’m happy to do. DD is highly intelligent and in an assessment she had, the psychologist said she shows traits of autism so she’s on a waiting list of 4.5 years to see someone for a diagnosis. A private consultation is £400 which I haven’t got but I am saving for it. DH has refused to pay towards it.
I don’t know how to handle any of this. We walk on eggshells around her because if we say the wrong thing, she blows her top and self harms. It’s actually quite manipulative. Her dad has borderline personality disorder and honestly, she shows many traits.
So do I go with her wanting to live as a boy and facilitate this or do I explore the autism diagnosis first?! I just don’t know and the whole situation is awful.

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Nightmare2022 · 10/11/2023 23:24

I’m so sorry you and your dd are going through this. It is such a familiar story to many of us parents of Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD) kids and it’s a nightmare (hence my username)

You can find support at Bayswater Support from parents who are also going this. Take a look at their top ten tips.

Probability suggests your child is autistic as many autistic girls are going down this route. In my view it helps them rationalise with why they don’t fit in easily with other girls. Even if you can’t afford diagnosis you can always say to your child that you think they are probably ASD and then make adjustments for them in daily life as needed.

I personally have said to my child that you cannot change sex and therefore can never be male, but I can treat them in gender neutral way and I don’t care about gender stereotypes so no issue with hair, clothing, etc but I don’t agree with medical intervention. I hold that boundary and otherwise avoid being drawn into any debate or discussion on gender. This is now, before I was all about sharing detransitioner stories and research on ROGD but it got me nowhere.

There is a Substack called Parents with Inconvenient Truths about Trans (PITT) where you can read stories of other parents going through the same thing. I found it helpful at the start of this journey.

Top Ten Tips – Bayswater Support

https://www.bayswatersupport.org.uk/toptentips/

RIPDotCotton · 11/11/2023 13:59

Nightmare2022 · 10/11/2023 23:24

I’m so sorry you and your dd are going through this. It is such a familiar story to many of us parents of Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD) kids and it’s a nightmare (hence my username)

You can find support at Bayswater Support from parents who are also going this. Take a look at their top ten tips.

Probability suggests your child is autistic as many autistic girls are going down this route. In my view it helps them rationalise with why they don’t fit in easily with other girls. Even if you can’t afford diagnosis you can always say to your child that you think they are probably ASD and then make adjustments for them in daily life as needed.

I personally have said to my child that you cannot change sex and therefore can never be male, but I can treat them in gender neutral way and I don’t care about gender stereotypes so no issue with hair, clothing, etc but I don’t agree with medical intervention. I hold that boundary and otherwise avoid being drawn into any debate or discussion on gender. This is now, before I was all about sharing detransitioner stories and research on ROGD but it got me nowhere.

There is a Substack called Parents with Inconvenient Truths about Trans (PITT) where you can read stories of other parents going through the same thing. I found it helpful at the start of this journey.

All of this 100%.
So many of us are going through this and the underlying theme is often a vulnerability because of different mental health issues.
Currently I have a young adult saying they are trans (ftm also) and one of the things she isn’t dealing with is definite undiagnosed ADHD. I’m certain it started from online influences (and some toxic friendships) during Covid isolation.
For what it’s worth we are going along with any changes (appearance etc) that can be reversed and right now I am pushing back on anything irreversible (surgery, medication)
I know you have other more serious mental health issues to deal with that are potentially life threatening- if I were in that situation I would probably allow hair/clothes, maybe even pronouns but equally get the help for the mental health issues from professionals who are neutral about gender issues. The resources in the pp are a good place to start.
Sending massive hugs - you’re certainly not alone.

RIPDotCotton · 11/11/2023 19:48

I’ve commented. Great idea- thank you!

QueenBing · 12/11/2023 21:34

Thanks so much for taking the time to reply, it’s good to know I’m not alone but I am sorry others are going through the same.
I’ve said if she has some specialist counselling I’ll consider the hair and the pronouns, hopefully that’ll tide her over for a bit. I just don’t believe she is trans. Autistic, yes. Gay, yes. Trans, no. I think she feels like being a boy would solve everything and the awkwardness she feels now will go overnight. I have told her this won’t be the case, it’s a long and hard process.

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Bluebunnylover · 21/11/2023 19:44

I was in this position when my daughter was 14 and feel I can give you some reassurance and advice that will help ❤️My daughter is now 17. She was diagnosed with ADHD age 14 and autism plus has a defiance disorder. She went to therapy to help with the anxiety as it was so bad she couldn’t lift her head to speak. This was all throughout covid and lock down. Age 13 she came out as bisexual then 6 months later lesbian and then 6 months after that trans. There was bo advice I could find at the time for parents who didn’t believe their child was trans only reaffirming stuff. I knew she wasn’t trans but felt uncomfortable in her body with it changing and possible interest from boys that can come with it. I’m not anti trans btw. She also is 3 years emotionally younger than her age. At this time requests for transition to Tavistock was 2000% higher than previous years. From my pov completely down to social media trends. There was also self harming, then visits from social workers all who suggested using whatever pronouns she wanted to use. I did not follow their advice and glad I didn’t as she now doesn’t identify as trans but aroace. I followed my gut instinct and advise you to do the same!! I did say to her that if she still felt like she was a boy age 18 she could go to the doctor and drive the change. Also I said that the adult brain does t stop forming u tik 25 so she should wait till then.

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