Treatment ban creates uncertainty for trans youth, families

[Shizuku]

Is this what you want for the UK?

Where is that from please?

The link:

www.independent.co.uk/news/treatment-ban-creates-uncertainty-for-trans-youth-families-asa-hutchinson-little-rock-legislature-oklahoma-hutchison-b1833153.html

Everyone wants distressed mentally ill young people to be treated as soon as possible, of course.

I get the impression you might have different views in the type of treatment they receive, however.

I believe we should never tell young people their bodies are 'wrong' or that they must be changed.

People shouldn't be aloud to change their genders anyway especially at such a young age as its not reversable. It should be banned

What has this got to do with feminism?

I hope these children get help for their mental health asap. We all know the state of healthcare in the US is even worse than in the UK, especially for mental health problems, and I sincerely wish they can get the psychiatric help and therapy they need to support them.

the wait times for a young gender dysphoric person to be seen are far too long, so the young people must feel they have no support whatsoever.

Yes, and I would advise to move this to the LGBT children section. It isn't feminism related.

if you have insurance in the US, you'll get seen much more quickly than in the UK where wait times now go into years!

The only link with feminism that I can see in that article is that the two young people mentioned are both female. What is making the world such a hostile place for young women that they think the best thing to do is to try to become men?

Girls trying to avoid becoming women is a feminist issue.

You might get more support and help in LGBT children op. Feminism doesn't seem like the right place. I've reported it for you.

I can't read the whole thing as not subscribed.

I can read a little bit that vanishes quickly, seems to be about a 15yo trans boy who has been on hormones for 8 months?

The constant reference to attempted suicide needs to be reined in, it's really helpful for any young trans or gender questioning children who will be looking for info on this stuff.

From your OP I'm not sure what you're asking about what 'we' want in the UK.

Is it about the proposal to ban certain things for children?
I feel there's an implication in what you're asking whether 'we' want to see children attempting suicide?
I assume it's ambiguous wording on your part and that you aren't suggesting the latter!

What I want is better mental health services for children generally. Something done about the distance for in patient longer term care.
Reading about what's happened with eating disorders recently clearly children are being failed.
For gender issues I would like to see the tavistock provide some decent stats on outcomes, follow up.
I want to see proper holistic care for children to really get to grips with any MH issues, understand fully their background and experiences, including whether they have autism. I would like for the people looking after them to know what they have been looking at on social media, if they have any fears from that, getting reassurance. What their family and social relationships are like. School. All that.

In the end the medical options available are a massive deal. And should be a last resort.

The fact that children and adolescents are not emotionally mature must be recognised.

I want a sensible caring approach which is very cautious about the medical route.

In the USA, a very different country. There is loads of stuff going on which seems wrong to me. Abortion, gun crime, the prison situation, opiate deaths and so on and so on. There are an awful lot of things going on in the USA that I don't want here.

I think the moment there's been suicidal acts, gestures or threats, all medical gender treatment should be taken straight off the table and the suicidal tendencies addressed as a matter of absolute priority. It's incredibly dangerous to risk incentivising suicidal behaviour in any way, but at the moment we basically tell kids they only stand a chance of being taken seriously if they give the impression of at least flirting with suicide. And it won't matter to you whether people affirm your corpse.

Alongside that, of course, there has to be adequate support for those children struggling with gender issues who don't have suicidal ideation. And at present I don't think that's the case.

That's another great post NiceGerbil
The poor mental health care for children is a national scandal with dreadful waiting lists everywhere.
It always worries me when I see adult political activists of any type trying to determine care for children. So often it's about their wishes, demands and projections rather than the needs of vulnerable children.

We can all agree we'd like to see improved access to psychotherapeutic support for teens who are struggling with their mental health. My gender dysphoric child very much appreciated the psychotherapy he received over a period of 18 months. It revealed underlying traumas and co-morbidities which can now be treated effectively, not papered over with transition.

A slight tangent, but I'd also think our kids would benefit from some critical thinking and logic courses in school.

All these children need therapy to understand themselves and the underlaying issues. In some cases these children need assessment and diagnosis for autism to access appropriate support.

Women on MN have been banging on for appropriate mental health services for kids/teens for aeons.
OP hasn't worded their question very clearly so I'm not able to answer it.
If you're suggesting that the women who are campaigning for improvements to mental health services somehow "want" people to commit suicide then your comprehension is so poor as to be useless. Either that or you are trying to use children's suicides to provoke people into anger.

@BlackWaveComing

We can all agree we'd like to see improved access to psychotherapeutic support for teens who are struggling with their mental health. My gender dysphoric child very much appreciated the psychotherapy he received over a period of 18 months. It revealed underlying traumas and co-morbidities which can now be treated effectively, not papered over with transition.

A slight tangent, but I'd also think our kids would benefit from some critical thinking and logic courses in school.

Absolutely. All waiting lists are bad, but especially at such a crucial period of their lives. I'm glad your DS has had some useful help, hope this continues.

PLEASE STOP appropriating situations from other countries and polities that you know absolutely nothing about to make idiotic scaremongering points. You're actually contributing to a climate of fear in the UK, which is (and it pains me slightly as a Scottish separatist to say this) one of the most genuinely fair and inclusive countries in the world. You're only making the situation in the UK worse for everyone.

@Shizuku

Is this what you want for the UK?

I guess you know that the NHS National Institute for Clinical Excellence - the body that decides if treatments work or not - has just published two expert reports, one on cross sex hormones and one on PBs. Having looked at all published research they find no evidence that either treatment works. The Tavistocks own study into PBs finds no evidence they work in improving psychological wellbeing.

You are trying to make out that if gender dysohiric children cannot get PBs etc they will try to commit suicide. But objective, gold standard research, finds there is no evidence they are of any value in treating gender dysphoric children..

The other thing that worries me (slight tangent) is about the rate of increase in MH issues in girls -self harm attempted suicide. Boys are still higher but stable. Both need addressing.

I have always been concerned about hormonal contraception and now long term implants being used from a young age. The side effects are wide ranging and can be serious. Teenage girls as a group are not taken seriously. And if they say they have low mood, are depressed and it's since the hormonal contraception then they tend to be dismissed as teenage girls are hormonal and moody everyone knows that...

The study linking MH probs with hormonal contraception was explained away etc but as a non expert who knows a lot of women who were girls, I'm sure that there's an issue there.

The fact so many girls are consuming these from before they are fully grown/ mature means there is often no baseline iyswim. How do they know what is normal?

Sorry tangent but there you go.

@NiceGerbil

The other thing that worries me (slight tangent) is about the rate of increase in MH issues in girls -self harm attempted suicide. Boys are still higher but stable. Both need addressing.

I have always been concerned about hormonal contraception and now long term implants being used from a young age. The side effects are wide ranging and can be serious. Teenage girls as a group are not taken seriously. And if they say they have low mood, are depressed and it's since the hormonal contraception then they tend to be dismissed as teenage girls are hormonal and moody everyone knows that...

The study linking MH probs with hormonal contraception was explained away etc but as a non expert who knows a lot of women who were girls, I'm sure that there's an issue there.

The fact so many girls are consuming these from before they are fully grown/ mature means there is often no baseline iyswim. How do they know what is normal?

Sorry tangent but there you go.

That's a great point actually. Many girls are put on hormonal contraception before they know their baseline. I know I was. After my migraines forced me to quit, I noticed that they had quite an effect on me, even on my personality. Hormones are powerful stuff and perhaps should not be meddled with, at least not when you're very very young.

They're totally accepted as normal and that's because its in a lot of interests for various reasons to reduce the risk of teenage pregnancy.

The risks and side effects are not really seen as a problem. Because it's something seen as useful and it's been around for years.

The cessation of the trial of a version for men because of side effects which are the same as women's was, well. Not surprising but annoying all the same!

I really think the idea of starting these before the ups and downs of puberty/ growing have finished is pretty iffy. And the use of the long term ones on girls this age really bothers me.

We've had grown women on here considering cutting them out themselves and plenty of women have issues with mirena as well and then have to fight to get it removed.