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Trans Girls in Sport - One Girl's Story

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Shizuku · 17/04/2021 20:50

Trans girls in sport are not the sinister characters some people make them out to be.

And as you can see - her friends are very happy for her to join in:

OP posts:
Helleofabore · 17/04/2021 21:28

@Shizuku

Hilarious how any negative story about trans kids stays on the feminism board, and positive story about trans kids gets moved here to LGBT children.
Not really.

This is where women discuss the protection of sports against the inclusion of males who have experienced the benefits of male puberty.

Your posting of the other links is really great so that readers can see the science linked on those threads and maybe take part the consultations.

Because people who care about the safety and well-being of females will no doubt be interested in how testosterone reduction has minimal impact to the advantages males who have benefited from male puberty. Therefore, women are at risk of increased injury, particularly rugby you know, where women’s more delicate brain fibres mean they are prone to concussion and early dementia.

And in general the fairness of women’s sports has already been significantly impacted with transwomen winning and taking the places of women on their teams.

It is great to link these threads so people can read about what is happening. So, thanks for that.

Helleofabore · 17/04/2021 21:31

Oh, and these ones:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4220259-nfl-player-likening-trans-to-race-in-sport-debate

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4202090-British-Cycling-Consultation-on-Transgender-Policy

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4206745-Rugby-RFU-seeking-feedback-on-its-transgender-policy?pg=1&messages=25

Posting them again as I forgot to include them in my post above.

Thanks for the prompt. I am sure many people will be well pleased to find them all on one thread.

Helleofabore · 17/04/2021 21:38

Here are some more links since you so conveniently posted those thread links.

Transgender Women in the Female Category of Sport: Perspectives on Testosterone Suppression and Performance Advantage by Emma Hilton and Tommy Lundberg

link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3

And

How does hormone transition in transgender women change body composition, muscle strength and haemoglobin? Systematic review with a focus on the implications for sport participation Joanna Harper1, Emma O'Donnell1, Behzad Sorouri Khorashad2, Hilary McDermott1

bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/02/28/bjsports-2020-103106

Hang on, I will also find the USAF study link too. It is also interesting in that it confirms these two studies findings.

Oh, and of course Harper is a transwoman, so that makes it really interesting doesn’t.

GreyhoundG1rl · 17/04/2021 21:39

Poor op. You try so hard, yet each thread is an own goal.

transbadger · 17/04/2021 21:40

🦡💨

Helleofabore · 17/04/2021 21:40

As another mother of an LGBT child, I too, am very keen to make sure my child has the opportunity to play sport safely and fairly.

So thanks again.

Erkrie · 17/04/2021 21:45

transbadger 😂

CorvusPurpureus · 17/04/2021 21:45

@Helleofabore

As another mother of an LGBT child, I too, am very keen to make sure my child has the opportunity to play sport safely and fairly.

So thanks again.

Same here. It's very important to me that my lesbian dd, in particular, is able to access girls' sports. They've been her happy place for the last couple of years.
Helleofabore · 17/04/2021 21:48

CorvusPurpureus

It is excellent for mental health to have fair and safe sports isn’t it?

Nothing quite like spending years training to have to stop because of safety issues as you get older.

Soontobe60 · 17/04/2021 21:54

@Helleofabore

You’re on fire tonight!

sanluca · 17/04/2021 21:55

As another mother of an LGBT child, I too, am very keen to make sure my child has the opportunity to play sport safely and fairly.

Exactly. Everyone should be able to play sports, regardless of their gender identity or sexual orientation. But that has nothing to do with sex segregated sports, as these are sports segregated by biological sex, not gender identity or sexual orientation.
So saying male children whose gender identity happens to be transgirl, should play with female children, is not in line with the sex segregation of sports and should not be allowed. Those are the rules and we all know why these rules are in place, so please don't kid people that gender identity means your sex has changed or that these rules are mean to non female children.

Soontobe60 · 17/04/2021 22:04

Ok, so I made the effort of watching the video. A male child possibly now on puberty blockers so they won’t go through male puberty, will not develop any secondary sex characteristics, will not be able to have their own genetic child. What could possibly go wrong?
Every one of the other children in this film know what sex they all are. I very much doubt they would be so happy to play alongside a trans woman who has gone through male puberty though would they? And actually, neither would Rebecca.

Helleofabore · 17/04/2021 22:05

[quote Soontobe60]@Helleofabore

You’re on fire tonight![/quote]
Just giving appropriate gratitude for helping to raise awareness of the need for women’s sports to be protected for safety and fairness when people seek to be included AFTER they have experienced the benefits of male puberty.

It is really reassuring for the discussion to happen.

After all, transgirls are not being banned from any sport at all. If they have those benefits of male puberty they can still choose to work just as hard as they always have (the science also has shown that training can, in fact, negate the effects of testosterone reduction too!!) and play with their birth sex or choose mixed sex sports and teams.

No banning from sport at all. Just exclusion from a category where they have the advantage. It is pretty clear cut actually thanks to the Harper study.

Trixie78 · 17/04/2021 22:07

I'm so sick of your posts. Do us all a favour and take a bloody break.

Helleofabore · 17/04/2021 22:10

I very much doubt they would be so happy to play alongside a trans woman who has gone through male puberty though would they? And actually, neither would Rebecca.

Yes. Probably not that safe for Rebecca either to have the inclusion of a person who has experienced male puberty playing. Hockey is particularly dangerous with the speed that post puberty males can get that puck going and height too sometimes.

CorvusPurpureus · 17/04/2021 22:14

@Helleofabore

CorvusPurpureus

It is excellent for mental health to have fair and safe sports isn’t it?

Nothing quite like spending years training to have to stop because of safety issues as you get older.

Absolutely! We live in a country where taking women's football seriously means signing up for women's teams from early teens.

Dd is nowhere near that level, so it's fabulous just to see her & her mates heading off for the Ramadan friendlies. Sport for girls is very important.

titchy · 17/04/2021 22:24

@Helleofabore

I very much doubt they would be so happy to play alongside a trans woman who has gone through male puberty though would they? And actually, neither would Rebecca.

Yes. Probably not that safe for Rebecca either to have the inclusion of a person who has experienced male puberty playing. Hockey is particularly dangerous with the speed that post puberty males can get that puck going and height too sometimes.

Presumably Rebecca would have decided that taking puberty blockers were more important than hockey? Their choice!

Quidditch I believe has mixed sex teams and seems to need similar skills to hockey - maybe that's an option for trans hockey players?

Helleofabore · 17/04/2021 22:26

And Corvus.

You and I know it doesn’t take much for many girls battling with teenagedom, and particularly if they are young lesbians, to get discouraged. I know my teen has already experienced significant discrimination in her football club which has an excellent reputation for encouraging girls to play. Yet, even then the boys get the better coaches, and they are mentored by their parents who kick the ball around whenever they can. It isn’t the same for many of the girls unfortunately. You can always tell when a parent has been playing regularly with their kids, they are the girls who have great ball technique.

Helleofabore · 17/04/2021 22:28

Quidditch I believe has mixed sex teams and seems to need similar skills to hockey - maybe that's an option for trans hockey players?

Nice suggestion titchy

Helleofabore · 17/04/2021 22:29

experienced significant discrimination

Of course, not as a LGBT person, but due to their sex.

Ylvamoon · 17/04/2021 22:31

I want to meet Rebecca in 20 years time....

Chamonixshoopshoop · 17/04/2021 22:36

Why are there separate competitions for men and women?

Helleofabore · 17/04/2021 22:52

Because much of sport is about celebrating outstanding sporting achievement.

Sport is separated by several discrimatory segments to allow the outstanding performers to be found for each category, and for safety too. For instance, age is a discriminatory category. We don’t have adults competing against children. We also don’t have younger people competing in the over 50 categories. That would be unfair. And dangerous.

Some Disabilities require their own category too. To be able to celebrate their achievements in a fair and safe competition.

Sex is just another discriminatory category. Males have many advantages compared to females. This is not just physical of course. But it is also systemic. Better training over their lifetime, not having to deal with menstruation, pregnancy, better pay and sponsorship, better support from the community.

But of course, the physical benefits are quite clear. Have a look at the boysvswomen.com site linked up thread. Teenage boys beat female world records consistently. And those benefits have been proven, studies linked also up thread, to be not reduced by lowering testosterone after male puberty.

For some better insight, I might suggest you could look up the world rugby decision about female world rugby. Some great stats there.

If you are on twitter, why not look up Ross Tucker (a sports scientist). He has also some excellent information and seems happy to answer questions. He would do a much better job than I can in explaining it.

OddBoots · 18/04/2021 08:14

If Rebecca is on maturity blockers then won't hockey be a very dangerous sport for them later given the bone density issues the blockers cause?

Creepygnochi · 18/04/2021 08:20

Lovely video.

She reminds me so much of my own dd.

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