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Both our daughters are claiming to be trans

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112200aa · 18/01/2020 03:47

Hi there.
I have 2 daughter's 12 and 15 years old.
For quite some time now they are both claiming to be transgender. I though this phase would pass but it hasn't and has esculated to minor self halm.
Arm or hand cutting .

The youngest of my two daughters is now claiming her name is zack. And the other wants to wear some kind of body bonding thing that squashes her boobs in. Which would obviously deform her.
I think all this is due to friends/crowd they are following at school. And my wife and i are at a loss of what to do. I do not belive either of them are transgender. I belive one may be gay ,the oldest one but they seem to be following the ques of children at shool ,one in particular.

Its starting to wear me down and im loosing sleep.
Any advice at this point would be greatly appreciated.

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bonbonours · 28/01/2020 07:32

I haven't RTFT but just to say this is very common at the moment, I have an 11 and 13 year old both saying similar. I don't believe moving schools or trying to avoid particular children would help as this is a wider trend and a lot is probably coming from the internet. We had a girl from France stay who apparently wanted to be known as a boy and use male pronouns, so it is not even a problem limited to the UK.

It's really hard not to come across as dismissive to them when you feel this is not really them. I've just tried to keep level headed about it, and say that they don't need to define themselves by gender at all, just be themselves, and do what they are good at. And that you love them no matter what.

I absolutely forbade chest binding, and likened it to Chinese foot binding which she knows about.

Italiangreyhound · 28/01/2020 16:30

midgebabe
"Hum , Italian, I wonder if clothes and haircuts are things to let ride..."

Sorry @112200aa I meant to allow clothes and hair cuts, not to stop them... e,g

My personal feeling is to go slowly, assist them as much as you can (clothes, hair cuts etc), without accelerating anything further (hormones etc) and wait and see where it all goes.

Sorry that was not clear.

funkstar525 · 28/01/2020 20:25

My daughter came out as trans aged 15. I knew something was going on when I learned 3 other girls in her year group were identifying as trans. I did a ton of research as my spidey sense told me to question the material she was given.

I was right. 6 years later she has agreed to not undertake any surgical or medical interventions. She is now dating and we found ways to alleviate dysphoria such as music lessons and being away from the LGBTQ community. There is definitely a social contagion going on. I sought support through meeting other parents and being part of a support group.

Distraction worked best for us. Her attendance at the NHS gender clinic was the worst thing we could have allowed.

Italiangreyhound · 28/01/2020 23:23

funkstar can I pm you?

funkstar525 · 29/01/2020 06:23

Of course. I have replied and sent info x

Italiangreyhound · 29/01/2020 18:05

Thank you.

Geraniumblue · 29/01/2020 20:24

Agreeing with other posters - keep them distracted, yes to sports bras, no to labelling themselves as anything in particular, yes to whatever haircuts and clothing. Keep listening but not necessarily agreeing. My argument was that brains don’t stop developing until age 25 so it would be stupid to decide anything so serious now. I also pointed out what hard work it would be. (Dd is pragmatic).

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Kablam · 22/02/2020 05:36

I just thought i should let you know that I bind. It doesn't have any long-lasting effects, it is basically a strong sports bra. It may help your child to feel better about themselves and stop self harming. Please look into the UK charity mermaids and let your child lead you on this. take them to counselling (alone - you are not going in!) with someone who isn't going to try and tell them without even meeting them that they are wrong. if you separate them from the only people that they feel are protecting them or supporting them, you may find that they are doing worse than minor cutting. that's not a threat, its a statistic.

erinaceus · 22/02/2020 06:15

What is your oldest child interested in? Science, art, history, football, pop music? One can find all variations of gender and sexuality within different subcultures which could be a way to make a conversation safe for the both of you.

In case it reassures you, I have many friends of all sorts of genders and sexualities, including trans people both FtM and MtF. I am yet to encounter the horror stories one hears, although I believe it does happen.

I am not a parent but am in the process of coming out to myself as an adult as bisexual (not trans which I agree with others is really quite different) and with this in mind I think if you are able to avoid shaming the child or young person for what is going on for them that could pay dividends for their future mental health. I’m inclined to suggest something other than binding, if only to discourage a medical mentality. I do not think it advisable to puzzle out questions about gender expression by medical intervention when the person who is questioning their gender identity is a minor, unless as a last resort perhaps.

Gingerkittykat · 22/02/2020 21:36

Please look into the UK charity mermaids and let your child lead you on this. take them to counselling (alone - you are not going in!) with someone who isn't going to try and tell them without even meeting them that they are wrong. if you separate them from the only people that they feel are protecting them or supporting them, you may find that they are doing worse than minor cutting. that's not a threat, its a statistic.

Keep them as far away from Mermaids as possible, try and find a therpist who will affirm their biological sex and not affirm their trans status. Their bodies are fine the way they are, it is about helping accept that.

Finally don't listen to people who peddle out the line of better a dead child than a trans child. Find professional help for your daughters to help them learn emotional regulation and communication strategies to help with the self harm instead of just giving in.

Have a look on the feminist and women's rights board here especially the support thread for parents with children with rapid onset gender dysphoria.

mudinthelane1 · 23/02/2020 00:05

I am taking so much comfort from mumsnet at the moment. My 13 year old daughter believes herself to be transgender. At 12 I took her to the gp because she was so distraught about it all, and self harmed on couple of occasions. She has been to CAMHS and seen a school counsellor, and been referred to more counselling.
However, I am really alarmed.

Let me make this clear; if I truly thought she was a boy, I would be backing her up on this. But I think she is 13 and a bit lost.
She has a girlfriend, who is rather charismatic and calls her 'my boy.' They go up to the shopping centre and buy Build a Bears, and sparkly phone cases and silly unicorn rubbers; rather girlie to me and her sister, who wouldn't be seen dead with such things. But every so often she has a big wobble, says she hates her body, and that I don't know how hard it is for her. She got a chest binder from her girlfriend (more alarm bells!!!! which she lost when we were decorating the house...), has short hair and wears boys clothes. She has never been very girlie, but then neither is her sister. Neither would be seen dead in a dress. I'm not very girlie either, love all the practical stuff and getting mucky and wearing wellies and not wearing makeup or doing hair faffing. In fact, my daughter spends much longer in front of the mirror than I do!
So CAMHS and the school recommended Mermaids. I told the school I was very uncomfortable with Mermaids, that I had looked at them when this all kicked off and found no wiggle room or room for questioning. To be fair to them, they said they would go back and look at the website with fresh eyes. My daughter believes if she has surgery she will be happy. She is a very black and white person, very easily influenced, very clever, very articulate, very artistic.

I spoke to the other organisation she had been referred to. I wanted to know what they would do. We are led by the child, they said. I said that was no good because all she will say is she wants to be a boy. They made me feel I was in denial. They said they would explore gender with her. OK, I said, still hesitating, but wanting someone to help her. Dubious, I was prepared to give it a try. Until they said, oh, we have a thriving LGBTQ group she could come to. In fact, we are running it on two evenings because it is so popular. That was it for me; they were going to reinforce what she believes, not help her question it. I withdrew the request for counselling, even though my daughter is still asking when she can have some. I am sure she feels it will be a start to the route to transition.
I have begun to contact private counsellors. Several recommended Mermaids. I don't really want her to have counselling unless I can find someone who will challenge her, offer her other options. Yes, I could do that myself, but she won't listen to me, will feel I am against her. I feel I am between a rock and a hard place.
I know this girlfriend is a factor, but she isn't the only factor. There is a good chance she will be moving school and house at the end of this academic year and although this will be hard for my daughter I am sure the relationship will fizzle out. My daughter doesn't think she is necessarily gay, as she admitted she also fancies boys. I just think she is 13 with a crush or a very close girlie friendship.

My main concerns are, then, that she doesn't self harm again, and that she finds her own identity. This is a long winded way of saying, has anyone had experience of counselling for their child in this situation, where the counsellor doesn't just let the child lead, but challenges them too? I have little faith in this process, and am not sure if I am wrong to feel like this.
Thank you lovely people.

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Italiangreyhound · 10/02/2021 00:56

OP this is so hard. Can you get a CAMHS appointment fir the self harm

@Pinkbobbon can you link to Tyince, videos, I cannot find her, please??

Italiangreyhound · 10/02/2021 01:02

@112200aa I see this is an old thread. I wonder how your daughter are doing?

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