Deadbeat Dad to skip UK and move to USA

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I know of a man staying in the US on a tourist visa who has plans to move here. I also know he has a small child, out of wedlock, with a woman living in England. His intention is to move to the US and avoid paying child support. He is working on this naive young girl to try and convince her to marry and sponsor him. I tried to report him to CSA but they said they needed a case number and I don't know the child's or mother's name in the UK. Someone needs to seize his passport, but I can't believe CSA will do absolutely nothing. What should I do to keep him from running away to the US and leaving his small child, unsupported in the UK?

nothing really...and neither can the csa.

who needs his passport..and why??

You can't do anything.

Sadly, the situation in the UK is not as fabulous as the US.

Here in the UK it is quite acceptable to walk away from your children and never pay for them. There are no consequences, like having your driving licence taken away, or being put in prison or anything.

Sadly. I seriously think that the UK needs to see failure (deliberate avoidance not being destitute or anything!) to support your children as a big deal. Something that you should be punished for.

A great many people here don't get outraged about the idea of someone shirking their parental duty to financially provide.

Wow, that's shocking and sad; I had hoped that the UK was ahead of the game with this kind of thing. This guy is scum, a drunk, philanderer, liar and worse; we don't want him over here, but more importantly, as a parent myself,-->he needs to take his butt back to the UK and take care of his responsibility.
As for his passport, I know in the US, if you owe outstanding child support, they take your passport so you can't leave the country. I had hoped the UK did the same thing.
Now, I need to study how to keep him from getting an immigrant visa.

There is nothing to do to prevent someone from moving - freedom of movement is a fundamental human right. When the non resident parent lives abroad the CSA has no jurisdiction because they have no powers to enforce child maintenance in another country.

However, living abroad doesn't mean a person can escape their maintenance obligations. The courts have jurisdiction and the woman can apply for a court order in the UK. If the father doesn't comply there are international agreements for the reciprocal enforcement of maintenance orders (REMO). Once there is a court order local courts can help make an application, the order is certified and the Official Solicitor's REMO unit contact the central authorities abroad to enforce the order.

Hecate overstates the position somewhat. The Child Support Agency has the power to take away the driving license (but not the passport) and/or imprison absent parents who refuse to pay. Before it goes that far they have the power to deduct money from earnings, freeze money in bank accounts, take money from bank accounts and force the absent parent to sell property. Unfortunately the CSA is extremely inefficient, allowing absent parents to get away with not paying for many years before it gets around to exercising these powers.

if he is as you, scumbag etc, the mother may be totally better off without him and without him involved in any way or form - even if that means no financial support.

I don't mean to be rude but what has this got to do with you?

While this man presents himself as someone who has a lot of money, the fact of the matter is, he's broke...he has family over here in the US supporting his sorry butt as well as this unsuspecting potential fiance who he has been preying on and mooching off of. I guess he and his ex-wife, after divorcing because he fathered this child with another woman, sold the home so there is nothing for his mistress to collect. If you can stay in the US for weeks and months at a time, one can assume you do not have a job in the UK for which the CSA to garnish your wages. Sounds like a no-win situation all around.
What has it got to do with me? Nothing that I can go into here, but you can rest assured that I am not some scorned ex or something like that. Just a decent, moral and principled person, standing by and watching all this unwind. I'm just in shock that all of this is materializing and NO ONE seems to think it's serious. It's like standing in a room on fire and you are the only one running around trying to extinguish it.....everyone else is standing around like they don't even see the fire, smell the smoke or feel the heat. People should mind their own business, right? BS, that's why the world is in it's current state. As long as people are allowed to operate, unchecked....they have no reason to believe that what they are doing is WRONG!!!!

well, that surprises me, prh. I have never ever known or heard of anyone copping it for dodging their responsibilities.

I do, however, hear (and read on mn!) tale after tale after tale after tale of parents (normally fathers) who bog off and don't pay a penny. And if the csa ever do catch up with them they jack in their jobs. Or claim to.

Nothing much ever seems to happen to them.

So these 'powers' may look good on paper, but are they ever used?

And absent parents not paying for their kids is just, well, accepted, isn't it? You might get an oh dear, that's not right, or it's a shame, or why don't parents pay, but someone who walks away from their kids and avoids paying isn't looked upon as the dirt they should be.

I suppose I am very 'hardline' on this issue but I've yet to see a kid who can stop eating or wearing clothes or having a roof over their head because one of the people who made them decided they were no longer their problem.

I just contacted the British Embassy to see if they are interested in investigating this guy. Keeping my fingers crossed.

You need to contact US Immigration (Dept of Immigration and Customs Enforcement)-- here's contact information. If you call from outside the US additional prefixes may be needed. If this man is working on 'marrying' a US resident or citizen to try to enter into a fraudulent marriage, he will be committing a deportable offence.

US Immigration (ICE) is very vigilant and will take all your details, and pursue the case diligently. If this man is overstaying a visitor visa they will want to know. Or if he is in the US on a visitor visa and working, that is also illegal. If you try to change your visa status by marrying a US citizen you have to go through a lot of interviews, submit paperwork and testimony about your relationship, etc. The questions you are asked, separately, in long interviews, are thorough and far-reaching, and designed to ferret out fraud.

ICE always appreciates tip-offs. They are very dogged and determined.

Thank you. I will be contacting them also, problem is, he is very cunning and hasn't overstayed his visitor visa yet. He's stayed as long as 30 days, but not over 90 which his what is required before the authorities will act. Working???? bahhahahahahaha, this guy is probably living off of the little bit of money he and his ex-wife got for selling their home, this after she discovered his infidelity....that, or his brother is paying his way. He's not in the US working illegally, i'll tell you that!He and his brother are hard at work fooling this young girl so it's not like she's in on it; she's being brainwashed and manipulated. She sees all the red-flags, but can't see the truth. He and his brother even hacked into her computer so they can read all her emails and conversations about HIM~!!!!! Talk about getting a glimpse into someone's psyche'.
Listen, this guy got into the UK by saying he was a Kosovo refugee, which was a lie. This was many years ago so I believe the UK gave him citizenship at that time without much proof. Now he wants to come the US under false pretenses to avoid paying child support for a child he fathered out of wedlock with his wife's friend!!! Scum, scum, scum. There is a special place in hell for this guy.

US immigration will take everything you say and investigate, really. And he will look even more dodgy if his origins are murky, i.e., refugee status under false pretences. Although if the US granted him a visitor visa and his brother is already living there, he and the brother may well have had to reveal their place of birth or provide citizenship documents to them -- however, they are diligent if they are alerted to a crime in progress. Hopefully you can give them some sort of proof or clear idea where you are getting your information from. How did the brother get into the US?

Hecate - The CSA don't use their powers anywhere near enough in my view. In 2007 (the most recent year for which figures are easily available) just 565 non-resident parents were imprisoned or given suspended sentences and only 25 were disqualified from driving, and some of those disqualifications were suspended. The CSA applied for 1780 charging orders (forcing the non-resident parent to sell their property) but there don't seem to be any figures for how many enforced sales actually happened.

Of the powers I listed, the one used most commonly is that to deduct money direct from the absent parent's earnings.

His brother is not so shady, but I believe he's willing to do whatever he has to to help his brother, who is a loser (from U.K.). The brother already here in the US married an American he met in Greece. I tend to believe them as a legitimate couple, married approximately (7) seven years and he stuck around even after he got his citizenship.
I find out today that scumbag might be doing a bit of work with his brother; he was supposed to fly back to UK last week, but cancelled his flight AGAIN, which is strange. If he stays one day over 90 days, I got his butt in a sling for sure. I will investigate further and forward all information to ICE.

But he hasn't done anything yet. He may have intentions of over staying his visa, but in my brave new world, people cannot be guilty of anything by intent alone.

And how can he be a philanderer, as you say, if the child was 'born out of wedlock?'

Yet is the operative word....and I guess you have never dealt with immigration. Intent is enough for them to start sniffing around and I for one am not going to sit around and let all this unfold nicely for this jacka**. You just wait and watch. As for a philander>sorry, I guess I left out the juiciest tidbit of all....>he was married and messing around with his wife's (so called) friend and she got pregnant.

i think the one who got pregnant played a part in getting pregnant - she also knew he was married etc.

it does take two... unless he forced her one presumes it was consensual and she knew what she was doing/risking... she is left holding the baby for sure, but that's life...

she can make a choice to bring up the child or not...

not sure really why you want to be involved - you made a few calls - let them take it further... it seems to be eating you up...anger at someone else doesnt do anything except destroy you - it doesnt impact on them at all...

the chances of him ending up actually paying any maintenance are slim it looks like as he would do everything to avoid...what child wants a dad like that in their life?

No doubt, the girl played her part in betraying her friend, no doubt, but it's not the innocent baby's fault.
My involvement will end with UK border agency and ICE, unless they need me for further questioning. I'm not angry enough to allow this to destroy me but please know that complacency kills and it's just the principle of the matter for me, that's all. Some would sit idle and do nothing, that's their choice. I've always been a fighter for the greater good and from time to time, for the underdog. Sorry if my drive is offensive to you. A deadbeat is a deadbeat, but i'd rather have adequate food and clothing provided by a deadbeat than go without. Children in need aren't born with pride, we get that much later as we mature.

Does anyone know if parliament ever passed this?
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/crackdown-planned-for-deadbeat-dads-1517067.htm l

Yes, but only after an application has been made to the CSA, there is evidence of the NRP's income and non compliance to pay the assessed amount. In this case if the father isn't working it will be difficult to prove his income and he may well be deemed to not have the ability to pay. In any case if he doesn't live in the UK the CSA has no jurisdiction.

Frankly the best thing for the woman living in the UK is for the father to remain in the States because the UK courts can then become involved and the courts have more discretion to consider the individual facts and historically are better at enforcement. As I said above, once there is a court order there are international reciprocal arrangements with many countries, including the States, for the enforcement of maintenance orders. Try Googling REMO.

He can't marry and stay there.

He has to go back to his country of origin to change his visa status if he entered as a tourist.