Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Legal matters

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you have any legal concerns we suggest you consult a solicitor.

My daughter doesn't want to see father (abusive ex husband) and he is trying to harass her/us into it

24 replies

JodieO · 21/05/2010 10:45

I have 3 children with ex (8, 6 and 3, dd is the 8 year old) and recently dd hasn't wanted to stay at his for weekends (every other weekend). He was emotionally and physically abusive to me (but continues to deny this even though he agreed to a divorce on basically those grounds). After an incident where he dropped the children off and then drove to see his new girlfriend, who the children don't know about yet, about 30 mins away and refused to come back to give my 3 year old his blanket that he'd forgotten to bring; she seems to have remembered a lot about before.

She keeps saying how awful it was that he wouldn't come back, as it was only half an hour (she knows this as his family live in that area and they go there now and again) and ds2 was up crying for 3 hours and woke 4 or 5 times in the night. He sleeps with the blanket every night. Anyway, she's since been refusing to spend time there with him and won't tell him why or talk to him about it.

He has been trying to emotionally blackmail her by saying how it isn't the same without her there, he misses her so much when she doesn't go etc etc, trying to make her feel guilty. I don't think this is a good thing to put on an 8 year old.

He keeps on asking me why she doesn't want to go and then saying that it's tough she has to go, but obviously I'm saying she has to decide. Then he has spoken to her on the phone and said the same things over and over, keeping on asking her why and that she has to tell him and has to see him. She is really upset and fed up of this, as am I.

She remembers the abuse, but he says she isn't remembering right always denying he did anything wrong. I'm really quite worried about it all and what is happening and will happen. He has shouted at me over it, but I put the phone down as I won't let him talk to me that way anymore.

What can I realistically do about it as ds1 is also now saying that he doesn't want to go? They are supposed to go tonight for the weekend and I'm actually worried about them.

They tell me he doesn't get up with them in the morning but tells them to go downstairs and watch tv while he stays in bed and they are hungry. They have to wait for him to get up (they told me 4 or 5 tv shows that last for half an hour) and then when he gets up gives them a tiny bowl of cereal so they are still hungry. They always come back and go straight in the fridge. I've spoken to him about this before but he always tells me they eat lots there. I've even sent food with the before and fruit etc and he told them he can't afford to buy it. He has a decent job btw and earns enough.

Sorry for the long post, there is much more but I doubt anyone would read it all straight away! I've tried to say as much as possible though. I've talked a little about my ex on MN before and the abuse but it was bascially shouting, calling me names, stupid, noone would ever want me if I left him, walking on eggshells round him, not being able to leave anything on the floor for when he got home from work or he would "start" and more plus pushing me, grabbing me, leaving me covered in bruises, throwing things, breaking a door (which they saw) and in the process of trying to get through the door to me (I was on the other side terrifed trying to keep him out) I had bruises all up and down my arms, hips, side etc. He also was very bullying, in my face and had his hands round his throat one night (that night was the last straw and I told him to leave) which he still denies.

Thanks for any help and thanks for reading so far.

OP posts:
teaandcakeplease · 21/05/2010 10:59

Oh Good God Jodie! This is NOT what you need

Would he agree to taking them out somewhere for some of the day? As opposed to staying over night? At the end of the day if your DD (or DS now possibly) do not want to go and he knows this, perhaps this is a better alternative for a while. So he can still be "daddy" but it's easier on the children a little, until hopefully the children settle again to the idea of staying with him and he earns their trust again. Maybe it will be a wake up call to make the most of them when they stay, instead if leaving them in front of the tv hungry

Can't believe you've had to pack fruit before

I wish I was more wise, but no doubt whenwillifeelnormal or someone similar will be along soon with wise words

I'm so sorry, this must be quite distressing for you

JodieO · 21/05/2010 11:23

Thank you. There's no way he would do that, he wants them there for the weekend and that's the end of it as far as he's concerned. He's quite selfish really, he puts his own needs before theirs all the time. He even said to me that he doesn't care if she doesn't want to talk to him as long as she's there I think he just wants them there regardless. So hard to reason with him as he just blames me for it all.

I have a lovely new partner now and we're expecting our first baby (not told children or him yet) and I'm 9 weeks so don't need all this stress!! I'm anticipating more problems when I do tell him though, sigh.

He really doesn't seem to care how it affects them, more how it affects him. He was planning a "surprise" for them for Sat but ended up telling dd. She knew there was a surprised planned and has been saying to me all week that she bets it is just him taking her to his friends house in another Town. She was right They were hoping the beach, farm etc as the weather is lovely but all it was was a trip to his friend's. His friend does have children but they're not keen to go there really. I was quite shocked really as it's not much of a surprise.

He keeps telling them he can't afford to buy fruit and some foods as well (which isn't true) but he denies this too even though dd and ds1 have told me on many occasions about it. He chooses to spend his money on himself and other things rather than them which is very sad. He is going on holiday on Sunday too with his girlfriend so you can see he does have money and obviously spending money; but not for the children....

I feel so stuck as for what to do, especially as he just blames me for it all and refuses to take any responsibility. Everything is my fault.

OP posts:
teaandcakeplease · 21/05/2010 11:35

Oh dear Do you think as he provides you with maintenance, he thinks it justifies it all, that he has no money as he gives you so much? Which clearly isn't true with holiday etc but is his justification. It's wrong as when they're staying with him he needs to take care of them.

He does sound selfish and lazy, really hoping someone will be along soon with some advice for you

Congrats on pregnancy by the way that is lovely news.

JodieO · 21/05/2010 11:45

He gives less than what he should do going by what he earns. The fact that he doesn't seem to care about their emotional needs is a worry.

Just to add to it, I've received a text now from his friend (the one the dd doesn't want to go and see) asking if there is some problem with my kids seeing his! Clearly ex has given him my number and informed him that it was me saying it whereas it has been dd saying that she doesn't want to go there so I told ex this. Pathetic.

OP posts:
JodieO · 21/05/2010 11:47

I've just not told him not to come here tonight as they don't want to see him and he has replied saying he is coming to pick them up at the normal time.

I'm so fed up of this. I feel quite harassed now tbh. I'm worried that he will cause a scene now....

OP posts:
JodieO · 21/05/2010 13:01

bump.

OP posts:
Katisha · 21/05/2010 13:08

CAn you ring Women's Aid for some advice?

MadamDeathstare · 21/05/2010 13:15

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MadamDeathstare · 21/05/2010 13:16

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

teaandcakeplease · 21/05/2010 15:20

Well he's certainly determined. He does have a right to see his children of course but if his DD is that unhappy he should respect that and be sensitive to it. Agree about seeking advice, give a solicitor a call or woman's aid before he arrives to get clued up. Probably woman's aid tbh in this case.

I think you should reply to his friend as well.

IfYoureHappyAndYouKnowIt · 21/05/2010 16:40

Sounds like calling WA and the solicitor is a good idea.

Is there anyway at all that it would be worth you and him talking together about this with a third party there to mediate to see whether with some help you could agree a better way forward. Sadly with my XH I've found that if I say something he always refuses to listen but that when he hears the same thing from someone else he just does what they say . That (sadly) seems to be the best way to get anything sorted sensibly nowadays.

teaandcakeplease · 22/05/2010 09:45

What happened last night Jodie? How are things?

JodieO · 23/05/2010 17:48

Madame - I don't have a divorce lawyer, I did the divorce diy. I'll be calling women's aid tomorrow and taking their advice. Mil and fil live in the town where he came from and his gf lives, about 45 odd mins away and were never that interested so I doubt very much they'd help. His friend sent me 3 texts in quick succession and ended the last with happy house hunting which I take as a threat, the tone of it was threatening too so I guess him and his friend are quite similar...... Thanks for the advice.

teaandcake - he isn't sensitive to her needs in the slightest, he only seems to care about himself in all this. All he has done is try to harass her into seeing him with emotional blackmail and I can't allow him to do that to her. Ds1 didn't want to see him either and ds2 isn't bothered at all. I didn't reply to his friend and am going to report both of them to the police, he has to right sending me threatening texts and ex has no right to continue his abuse.

ifyourehappy - I know what you mean, except ex always thinks he's right. He doesn't even think what he has done and continues to do is abusive! How can you reason with someone that doesn't even think what they are doing is wrong? He is so deluded.

He sent me another text yesterday afternoon saying he had sent an email and expected a reply by 5pm; it was about 2.30 at the time. Well, I wasn't in so didn't check it and then went out with the children after school. Heard nothing since but I've spoken to my parents and they are livid about it all. My dad told me I should call the police too. We've had a lovely weekend, children are very happy and enjoyed themselves and I'm so glad about it. I'm still very upset about it all but trying not to be. Really hard to know what to do for the best but I think I know I have to call the police, it will just make things even more messy I think but at least I know the kids will be safe.

OP posts:
teaandcakeplease · 23/05/2010 18:51

What does he mean happy house hunting? Have I missed something? You own the house out right? Or does he mean he'll drive 45 mins to you and harrass you? Lovely friend of your Ex H's clearly

Yes have a chat with police and see what they think possibly. Speak to Woman's Aid first, they deal with this all the time and may have some great advice for you.

I'm so sorry Jodie He should see his children absolutely - but he needs to be sensitive to their needs and he isn't being at all. Wish he could sit down with you and mediator and come to an agreement.

JodieO · 23/05/2010 18:58

House is still in mine and ex's name but I've been paying the mortgage, my dad paid a hefty downpayment on it and there is a lot of equity in it (which he had nothing to do with). He agreed to sign the house over to me seeing as there is another 40 grand's worth of debt (consolidations, he was never great with money) added onto the original mortgage around 15k of which is his car; which I'm paying for!! He had a brand new car. It could well mean he intends on harassing me, or that ex is intending on trying to get me to sell; who knows but it sounds intimidating from my end, especially when I have no plans to sell.

I intend to tomorrow. What ex has done so far equals harassment so I want to inform the police and let them deal with it. I never reported the violence before (and I still have photos of the bruises he left me with) so I want to do this all properly for my children's sake.

At the moment he is alienating them so they don't want to see him at all, that's their choice and will matter even more as they are growing up. Maybe one day he will see how wrong he has been. It's his loss tbh if he can't be a reasonable person but then he never has been so I'm not holding my breath. I doubt many children want to see their abusive fathers as they grow up.

OP posts:
teaandcakeplease · 23/05/2010 19:02

Did he sign house over to you? Did you get a TR1 form completed?

I'm still in the middle of the divorce, luckily as he's left me penniless I'm eligible to legal aid as now on income support so they're taking care of ownership of house etc as well. Maybe you do need some more legal advice about house and debts, as it should have been agreed in divorce

cestlavielife · 23/05/2010 19:04

hmmm sounds familiar....dont hold up much hope of mediator but you could show willing by suggesting it.

thing is when they dont recgonize adn issue and they always right then little you can gain..

however, if is affecting DD and making her upset, ask GP to refer to family therapist and maybe someone impartial to talk to her?

JodieO · 23/05/2010 19:04

Not yet as I'm currently still dealing with mortgage company, it's getting there. He agreed to though but who knows if he will stick to it or not. If not, we'll have to take it to court.

Nothing money wise was agreed during the
divorce at all.

Sorry to hear about your divorce

OP posts:
piratecat · 23/05/2010 19:05

my dd decided at age 6 she didn't want to go anymore, after 2 yrs of saying she hated it. So i didn't make her anymore. He hasn't done anything since, tho i guess he prob could. yet he can't be assed.

teaandcakeplease · 23/05/2010 19:12

Wouldn't it be nice Jodie if your ex H did the same as Pirate?

Sadly he sounds too stubborn

JodieO · 24/05/2010 12:08

My dd has said even more this morning to me about him and said she doesn't like him at all, said she thought he would get better after I left him (nicer) as he would know he had been wrong but that he hadn't and she didn't like him. Not much I could say to that really. She also told me some more things that she remembered and said she doesn't want him to find out though in case he does something obviously I reassured her that nothing would happen.

After finally working up the courage to call women's aid the line was busy so I'm going to try again later. It's a really big thing for me to do.

OP posts:
Katisha · 24/05/2010 12:36

I hope you get through to WA soon - do keep trying and don't let the engaged tone make you lose your momentum.

mamas12 · 24/05/2010 13:43

yes keep ring WA jodie for you and you lovely dd.

MadamDeathstare · 24/05/2010 13:52

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page