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Seeking advice. Fighting the Ex for custody.

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DumpedonDad · 12/03/2010 15:17

I apologise for the long read that will follow but I feel that in this case information is a helpful thing to have.

I met my ex just before Xmas 10 years ago, at which time she told me she was 18 (come to find out that WOULD have been true had she been 4 months older). Maybe not a deal breaker at the time but it turned out to be the beginning of a whole carpet of lies.

She fell pregnant with our first son on new years eve of that year. To this day I'm not sure if it was in an effort to trap me or just poor timing but either way I had to do the right thing and be there for my kid and be a father to the best of my ability, we continued on our relationship for 10 years (with a couple short breaks in the middle)and 3 more kids, during which time she proceeded to alienate all but 2 of my friends, a couple members of family and anyone who I spoke to either on-line or in real life.

Of the many stunts she has pulled in her time to either get her own way or to punish me for either winning an argument through pure common sense or for something she had made up in her own mind (the women here should have some idea of what sort of things I am referring to here. No disrespect but a woman will know best how a woman's mind would work.. I'm just a bloke.)

But of these stunts, by FAR the worst of them was an argument over something so trivial now that i can't even remember what the catalyst was. but to cut a long story short, as revenge/spite she reported me to the police for allegedly having indecent images of children on my computer. Of course all my equipment was seized and investigated and 7 months later I was cleared of everything (most probably because there was nothing there to begin with).

During this relationship I was not allowed to go anywhere unsupervised. even a trip to the shop that lasted longer than usual was met with accusations, arguments and me defending myself against them.

I wasn't even allowed to go to the doctors on my own. Something would always come up meaning that i would either not be able to attend appointments which i HAD managed to make, or some crisis would come up. (usually involving turning the house upside down looking for something she had lost while she stood in the middle of the room berating me for losing it (even though I had never laid hands on said objects.).

Add to all of this the fact that the only time she would ever lift a finger around the house was if we were expecting a visit from the likes of the health visitor or social services. It was left entirely to me to look after the upkeep of the house and the 4 kids while she would indulge her addiction to a computer game called World of Warcraft. Often staying awake all night to play it and then falling asleep on the sofa during the day, once again leaving me to deal with the kids who are 2,3,5 and 8. I would be the one who had to attend parents evenings on my own (well with my son) and pretty much deal with everything.

As a result the house ended up being a mess as I was really struggling to cover her share as well as my own, and I will also admit that there was a certain amount of "Well if she won't get off her arse to do it then why should I?" towards the last year or so. but still I would keep up to the best of my ability, often having to rely on my 8 year old son to help out.

Still her computer game addiction flourished and I eventually had to load up the game myself as it was the only real method of communicating with her.

She would get up and get the kids ready for school and also cook the evening meal but that was only due to me causing a blazing row because she refused to do anything to help in the house. Even then she would complain about it all the way through.

roll the clock forward to Valentines day this year (our youngest's 2nd birthday) we had a load of fun and the evening finished at about 3 am in the end, so naturally being tired I went to bed, only to wake up at 9am and find no sign of the kids, money stolen from the house as well as various items including the tenancy agreement, that months rent, £100 to get the car taxed with and a whole bunch of smaller items.

No note or anything to say what she had done or why. Even MY mother, with whom the kids had a great rapport and loved probably more than any other person on the planet, to this day is still none the wiser on the subject. (Might I also add that my mother had always been there for all of us in what ever way she was able, which my Ex used abused frequently.

What have I done thus far?

Well 24 hours after they disappeared I involved the police who tracked her down very quickly but would not tell me where. So I then got my solicitor involved who at present is waiting for the reply to the courts on an order which would force the revelation of where my kids are, at which point residency/custody papers will be served. That is the situation now. I have been in contact with social services (we were assigned a key worker because my eldest daughter has glue ear as well as other behavioural problems so had a whole army of people supporting her in school.) as well as the schools head teacher, Health visitors and other official bodies to try to get this situation resolved.

Now it is merely a case of sitting back and waiting, which isn't easy. But I am concerned. I am under the impression that even in this day and age the courts still tend to side with the mother so apart from the years of legal letters which she has made various statements such as drug use nd abuse (which she later retracted in another letter), a residency order on my oldest son from the time that she thought she could simply hop on a plane and emigrate to Amreica (which I am also wondering why the police didn't enforce when I originally had them hunt them down)and various other statements she made in the past which she retracted (completely voluntarily) as un-true. Still I feel that I need other feathers to my bow to bring my kids back home, back to their family who is missing them in a massive way and back to the support network that they had in place aswell as the schools they were in which they excelled in more than any other school they have attended. I am hoping that this whole episode will not set them back too much although with my 5 year old daughter (the one with the learning difficulties) I can see this putting her back at least a year.

Any advice on what else I can do to help me do the right thing by my kids would be very much appreciated and thank you for persevering through this novel-like read.

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DumpedonDad · 12/03/2010 15:19

Oh yes.. I also forgot to mention the 2 affairs that I know of. there are probably more, but I don't have the proof of them so can't list them.

please. if i have missed anything here do ask.

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titchy · 12/03/2010 15:26

TBH most of what you have written is irrelevant. How you met/ages/ your relationship with each other/who said or did what etc etc.

what is relevant is how able she is to take care of the dcs. If she is not capable to caring fro them (and presumably if she gets them up and ready for school, and cooks them tea when they get back she is more than capable of looking after them) then you have a strong case, legally and morally, for custody. If she is capable of caring for them it is unlikely they would come to you.

What you MUST fight for is regular access. But all the stuff about your relationship must be left out. It's not about you and her any more, it's about you and the dcs.

DumpedonDad · 12/03/2010 15:37

I agree totally, the only reason it was in the post was for history.

the reason she would cook diner and get up in the morning was because I would play hell if she didnt (and on a few occasions DID play hell over it).

My concern is that she isn't what you would call a Clean person. I left the relationship for one of our breaks and within 3 weeks I went to her place (we would usualy meet in a public spot) and the house would be a candidate for "How Clean is your House" computer games came first so she would sit in her own filth for weeks (this continued all the way through our relationship) the kids would only be bathed if I did it and even though she would get up and help get the kids ready for school, I would still be called by the school to come in because the kids smelled. The only time this wouldn't happen was when I personally made sure their clothes got washed and then got them up on my own because she was KO'd after having been up all night playing PC games. so yes.. I do have MASSIVE concerns about the kids well-being and safety. I have no idea where on the planet they are, and if one was to assume that she had gone to stay with "friends" who she met on the computer game then it raises even more concerns as if it is the people who I think it MAY be, they are both alcoholics who also spend every moment awake on the same game, leaving their 14 year old to raise their family (and assumedly the lion's share of MY family too. which brings in another concern of mine.

I will fight tooth and nail for my kids, and if that involves a visit from social services (which i can invision happening) the people she is staying with are going to find themselves neck deep in the doo-doo as a by-product. and I don't feel happy with my actions causing the potential breakup/taking into care of a family with whom I have no buisness or grudges.

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titchy · 12/03/2010 15:54

Hmmm - you 'played hell' over the housework? That could be construed as abusive.

And you were called into the school becuase the kids smelled... find that one hard to believe sorry.

Presumably the police would have informed SS (standard procedure I think) and they will be aware of the conditions under which the dcs are living - am fairly sure that if they were deemed totally unsuitable the children would have been removed. You'll have to wait for your day in court I'm afraid.

DumpedonDad · 12/03/2010 16:01

1 i am NOT a liar so resent your implications but yes court will come and i will fight like a man possessed.

I am looking for ways of strengthening what i already have so if anyone can come up with some suggestions i would be more than happy to discuss them.

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wannaBe · 12/03/2010 16:06

oh come on if this was a woman posting people would be wishing her all the best and slating the man as a bastard.

Op - I agree that this is not about your relationship but about who is the best person to take care of your children.

If there is reason to believe that she is an unfit mother then it is unfortunately down to you to prove this, and if the school have been involved then it may be possible to have some communication with them wrt this issue.

I would advise that you seek some professional legal advice and then take it from there.

Abusive women do exist, and men are victims of abuse too.

ShinyAndNew · 12/03/2010 16:08

Sorry, but this bit just doesn't ring true 'I will fight tooth and nail for my kids, and if that involves a visit from social services (which i can invision happening) the people she is staying with are going to find themselves neck deep in the doo-doo as a by-product. and I don't feel happy with my actions causing the potential breakup/taking into care of a family with whom I have no buisness or grudges. ' as the father of children yourself, I would sincerely hope you had already called SS regarding this other family and your ex.

As for your op it all reads as a bit 'he did/she did' to me and not much about the welfare for your children.

If you have genuine concerns I'd suggest you ring SS and outline those concerns to them.

And I agree 'playing hell' about the housework does sound abusive. If my partner 'played hell' with me, I'd be less than impressed.

titchy · 12/03/2010 16:11

Sorry just can't quite see someone at school phoning up and saying 'I'm terribly sorry Mr Smith but can you come and fetch your children - they can't stay at school becuase they smell'

DumpedonDad · 12/03/2010 16:12

Solicitors, school and SS are already involved. I contacted them all very early on. and truth be told I STAYED in that relationship and endured the abuse simply to make sure that the kids were well looked after as I sincerely do believe that she is not capable of doing the job.. hell, she struggled during our last break with only my oldest son. and he was the easiest of the lot to deal with.

Coping with 4 of them? a 2 year old doing what 2 year olds do best which is create mess and general Havoc and a 5 year old with quite major learning difficulties who took no notice of mum because mum didn't "do" discipline so she could remain the "good guy"

Yeah.. I have my doubts. I just want the kids back home surrounded by those who love them and those who are there to help them.

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DumpedonDad · 12/03/2010 16:18

"Sorry, but this bit just doesn't ring true 'I will fight tooth and nail for my kids, and if that involves a visit from social services (which i can invision happening) the people she is staying with are going to find themselves neck deep in the doo-doo as a by-product. and I don't feel happy with my actions causing the potential breakup/taking into care of a family with whom I have no buisness or grudges. ' as the father of children yourself, I would sincerely hope you had already called SS regarding this other family and your ex."

This is the problem.. the police won't reveal where she is so I can neither prove or dis-prove that she IS with those people although it is fairly likely and as a result I can't send in SS at this time. even though I am regularly in contact WITH them over this whole matter so they are aware of the situation. same with the school, now while I do not have to prove this to people here the proof is there and available to my solicitor as the school has been very co-operative in that respect. Right now I'm in the waiting game.

And as for the phrase "Merry hell" yeah it means an "argument" you know... lots of words. some of them heated. I'm not the sort of coward who would ever hit a woman, even though if the same thing were said between 2 fellas there would most likely be a full on fist fight over it. but I DO believe I am and was at the time WELL WITHIN my rights to pull her up about her lack of help... i.e. play merry hell.

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ShinyAndNew · 12/03/2010 16:21

In that case you call SS about the family you suspect she is staying with, you have afterall, revealed that you have serious concerns regarding their well being. You should have already called imo.

Or are you fine with other peoples children being left in that environment?

DumpedonDad · 12/03/2010 16:31

the only thing that has STOPPED me calling about the issue is the fact that I have no way of knowing (untill the police answer the disclosure order issued by the courts) if they are there or not.

It's all guess work and gut feelings at the moment. hopefully in 3 or 4 days I@ll have something more definite and if it IS the case I will be sending SS in there STRAIGHT AWAY. No messing about because I don't want my kids in that kind of environment,, raging alcoholics with video game addictions and prescription medication. A recipe for disaster.

I would hope that she would have enough sense NOT to take the kids into that sort of environment but then sense and the Ex weren't on friendly terms at the best of times.

Now in their shoes (or even my own) I wouldn't appriciate the investigation on nothing more than a gut feeling and can't expect them to be happy either.

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DumpedonDad · 12/03/2010 16:32

add to that the fact that I don't know their surname or anything other than they live somewhere in Chester.

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ShinyAndNew · 12/03/2010 16:37

Whether she is there or not, you strongly believe that their dc are not being cared for properly. Therefore you have a moral and social obligation to call SS about this family.

If she is there and what you say is true, you get your kids back and the other family get support or the children are removed and placed in a happy and healthy environment.

Or your suspicsions aren't true/she is not there, the family are investigated and no further action is taken.

From what I can see either way you should be phoning SS about this other family.

Now being investigated by SS is not a nice thing for anyone, but SS exist for a reason. Children is these sorts of homes rely upon adults like yourself to step in and help them.

Ivykaty44 · 12/03/2010 16:39

This is the second time I have seen this posted - slightly small changes in the story but not the first time I have read this shit, was it last year sometime this was all spouted before?

ShinyAndNew · 12/03/2010 16:39

Hold on - if you don't even know their surname or address how do you know that they are 'raging alcoholics who leave child raising to their 14 yo'?

Northernlurker · 12/03/2010 16:41

Ivy - I thought that too - and have passed on that concern

DumpedonDad · 12/03/2010 16:47

Ivykaty44 Fri 12-Mar-10 16:39:07
This is the second time I have seen this posted - slightly small changes in the story but not the first time I have read this shit, was it last year sometime this was all spouted before?

Well I have never really posted to this site before. Read a lot of stuff on it but never posted.

ShinyAndNew Fri 12-Mar-10 16:39:08
Hold on - if you don't even know their surname or address how do you know that they are 'raging alcoholics who leave child raising to their 14 yo'?

They were people who both my partner and myself 'met' while playing the on-line game I mentioned in the OP. got to hear all about how much they loved the beer and how they couldn't function without it etc. etc. but personaly I was never inclined to get to know them for that very reason so never asked surnames or location etc. the only info I have is what i gathered from "public" chat. i.e. things that were said in game chat that anyone could view.

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Ivykaty44 · 12/03/2010 16:52

yes right and I bet you make your tea in a chocolate teapot...

titchy · 12/03/2010 16:52

Blimey - if SS could see my on-line persona (not on MN though I'd have been hung drawn and quartered by now!

Has it occurred to you that they might have been spouting BS?

titchy · 12/03/2010 16:53

Ahhh - BS - that's what your dcs smelt of so badly school refused to teach them!

DumpedonDad · 12/03/2010 16:57

does it make a difference WHAT answer i give Titty? you seem determined to shoot everything down anyway.

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StepSideways · 12/03/2010 16:58

I guess we'll never find out, if the OP had reversed the genders in his post what the feedback would have been like...

DumpedonDad · 12/03/2010 16:59

was just about to ask the same thing.. but the militant lesbians got to me first lol

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StepSideways · 12/03/2010 17:03

I'd avoid making 'militant lesbians' remarks though, it doesnt make you come across as a reasonable person, however irked you are at the mnoment...