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Ex took out second charge on family home after separation without my knowledge – can I challenge it?

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hp5678 · Yesterday 14:16

I’m hoping someone might have experience of something similar, particularly with the Financial Ombudsman.
My ex-partner and I had already separated and court proceedings concerning our family home were ongoing when he took out a substantial second-charge loan secured against the property. He did not tell me he was applying for the loan and I had absolutely no knowledge of it at the time.
I remained living in the family home with our three young children. One of our children has significant disabilities and long-term needs, and I am his main carer, which significantly limits my ability to work.
The Family Court has since found that I have a beneficial interest in the property through constructive trust/proprietary estoppel, although the exact percentage has not yet been determined. There are ongoing property and Children Act proceedings which are being combined, and we are being encouraged to see whether we can reach an agreement between ourselves.
The problem is that this second-charge borrowing has eaten up a substantial amount of the equity in the home. That equity is incredibly important to me because the house is the children's long-term housing security, particularly given my disabled child's future needs.
I am already paying the substantial first mortgage myself. My ex is now not paying the second-charge loan either, and his position is effectively that if I want to retain the children's home, I should take responsibility for this loan as well, even though he took it out after we separated without telling me.
Taking both on would put me under severe financial pressure and leave considerably less money available for the children.
I am also concerned about where the money actually went. My ex says the borrowing was used to repay old debts connected with renovations to the property, but he has provided only limited financial disclosure and I have seen nothing that actually traces the loan proceeds or evidences that explanation.
Because I had nothing to do with the application, I also have no idea what he told the second-charge lender when he applied. I don't know whether they were told that we had separated, that I and the children were living in the property, that court proceedings were ongoing, or anything about my interest in the home. The lender won't give me the application documents because I am not the named borrower.
The lender has been extremely slow dealing with my concerns and appears to think the Family Court proceedings will resolve matters. But this is where I'm confused. The Family Court is dealing with the interests between my ex and me and is encouraging us to reach a settlement. I am concerned about a different issue: how this lender came to accept a substantial second charge over the family home in the first place and what representations/checks were made at the time.
I want to know what the lender was told about ownership and occupation of the property, what declarations were made, what checks they carried out and whether the charge was properly obtained given that I was living there and had a beneficial interest but knew absolutely nothing about the borrowing.
I have looked into specialist legal advice, but unfortunately I simply cannot afford the fees I have been quoted, so I am considering pursuing the complaint myself and taking it to the Financial Ombudsman Service if the lender doesn't properly investigate it.
Has anyone dealt with anything remotely similar, particularly where an ex took secured borrowing against the family home after separation without the other person's knowledge? Has anyone successfully taken something like this to the Financial Ombudsman, and did they investigate the original loan application and what the lender had been told?
Any experiences or advice on where I should go from here would be really appreciated.

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hp5678 · Yesterday 19:37

@Minnie798 I had some limited legal advice on that and I will be asking for full equity whatever there is left for the sake of my child and limited earning capacity now and realistically I cant afford to buy him out especially now, he also thinks theres no equity in the property so thats probably why hes stopped paying the mortgage and the loan hes now not bothered what happens with the home, he is worried about his credit I think mainly thats what he brought up in court thanks for your reply I appreciate it

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NotInMyyName · Yesterday 19:38

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Ex took out second charge on family home after separation without my knowledge – can I challenge it?
hp5678 · Yesterday 19:39

@scaredysquiggle I did this as soon as I knew I should or could but for some reason that second charge still went on im also confused about that thanks for your reply

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onyourway · Yesterday 19:40

Was your beneficial interest actually lodged at the Land Registry? And if so, was that before or after the second mortgage application? Also was he resident in the property at the date of the application?

hp5678 · Yesterday 19:42

@NotInMyyName thankyou will have a look at it again thanks for your reply

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Minnie798 · Yesterday 19:47

Do you work op?
Im asking this because to become the sole owner of the house with a mortgage of at least £1500 per month, you'll need to show affordability.
Would you be able to secure the mortgage on your own?

hp5678 · Yesterday 19:48

@onyourway yeah it was I think he applied for the second charge just before my restriction it was an rx1 and a form A and form II I applied for, both restrictions were pending and my restriction did take priority but his charge went on about a month later. I let them know as soon as I realised that had happened a few weeks later, he was not living here he was not allowed here due to the non mol and interim occupation order under section 33
thanks

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hp5678 · Yesterday 19:49

@Minnie798 hey no I cant work now as I care full time for our child but I would have to go on the mortgage with him if we both passed that, until I would be able to take it on to my name in the future, the lender is looking at that but this loan now complicates things and thats exactly what he wanted

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hp5678 · Yesterday 19:52

@Minnie798 at the minute im receiving any benefits I recieve on the mortgage including child maintenance and would have managed if it was just this but he wants me to take the loan on aswell

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dreamingofgoodhair · Yesterday 19:57

The thing is how can he make you pay a loan in his name ? Also if the house / mortgage etc was in his name the lender wouldn’t need your permission would they ?
Absolute bastard - almost making sure his kids will lose their home.

thestudio · Yesterday 19:59

hp5678 · Yesterday 19:27

@thestudio I know, I blamed myself for putting up with it but I didnt realise how deep the trauma bond was and also I was dependant on him due to being the carer for our children but speficially my eldest child who needs full time care. I manage to finally break free after losing a baby and finally being able to see the reality in front of me - but ever since he sure is punishing me through the court thanks for your reply appreciate it

You don't need to blame yourself, you really really don't. No-one thinks 'I know, I'll fall in love with an abuser. They don't show their hand at first, otherwise you'd run a mile. It's the boiled frog.

He is the one with the guilt, the blame, and the shame.

That said, I hope you're able to access psychotherapy to see why you were perhaps less able to spot the signs and to strengthen your boundaries.

hp5678 · Yesterday 20:03

@dreamingofgoodhair hes saying as he took the loan to pay debts related to the home, and that as im keeping the home I should now pay this. I actually think he used this money to just go and buy another house but he wont be honest about it. I think if you have an interest in the home you usually sign something to waive your interest otherwise they would have to take you to court, but I never signed anything and would never have waived my rights or interest. yeah thats it he made sure and he told me this while we were together I had a bad feeling then he said if I ever took things through court he would make Sure I lose everything. I only had to go to court as he tried to unalive me sorry tmi. so was forced to as I knew he would twist things and say the home was his luckily I had evidence that it was a family home thanks for your reply

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Teamrabbit · Yesterday 20:04

Op I’ve just put your first post through ChatGPT and you’ve got wiggle room I think and it was quite interesting the response I got.

Try it - at least so you know what questions to ask a solicitor

caringcarer · Yesterday 20:04

hp5678 · Yesterday 19:34

@caringcarer yeah I think he does not sure how much or what hes changed jobs so many times

Insist on pension sharing. If you get awarded some of his pension you might be able to trade it for a higher percentage of the house. He will have to trace his pensions. My exh tried to not include all of his but I recalled where he worked and judge said if he didn't produce evidence I'd be given higher percentage so he had to dig them up.

ThaneOfGlamis · Yesterday 20:07

I think you need to consider that you will no longer be able to stay in the house. If he has played these financial games already, he could easily stop paying you child maintenance too. Do you have a plan to be housed if you can no longer pay the mortgage? It doesn't sound like you would see any benefit from the mortgage over renting anyway, as the deeds aren't in your name. Practical thinking and necessity need to be what you do going forward. He's an arsehole.

JonBonJ · Yesterday 20:08

This all sounds awful for you, op. I have no experience but have dealt with the financial ombudsman regarding a pension.

They were extremely helpful and advocated for what was right including compensation. The pension company also dealt with matters much better, once the ombudsman was involved.

Another option for you might be to involve the consumer rights specialist on a newspaper? For example Helen Crane at ThisIsMoney.

I don't know how far you can get until you can prove you have interest in the property though.

hp5678 · Yesterday 20:14

@thestudio thankyou for your kind words, I did have some counselling but it was very difficult as I had not long lost my daughter and then everything he had done so it helped slightly but was difficult to even speak about it. Im hoping when im finally out of court I can have some deep therapy if I ever get out of this mess but thankyou I think that relationship was about me learning my worth. sadly he presented as a very nice charming man and nobody would believe me and told me I was better off staying with him as we were well looked after. even the police only took me seriously as I unfortunately had video evidence of some of the abuse, he wouldnt even accept he was abusiv when this was in front of him in the court. the thing that has brought me comfort is I was able to save my children he has no contact thank God. these type of abusers are dangerous as they talk well behave well in front of others have good jobs present well, and love bomb you at the start and then your too deep in and its too late by the time you realise thanks again for your reply means a lot

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hp5678 · Yesterday 20:19

@ThaneOfGlamis I guess he could, though its coming directly from his wage not sure if he could work his way around that, no no plan really as very limited due to not driving - due to having severe anxiety, the money in the home was meant to be long term security for me and the children - he always said this until I stood up against him, the court has encouraged an agreement between us, hes now not bothered about the home hes moved and is renting somewhere, and has already taken a large amount of the equity, he wants me to agree to pay the loan too I would if I could but it would take away from the pot for the children which I very much need. thankyou for your reply appreciate it

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hp5678 · Yesterday 20:20

@Teamrabbit thanks I will try again I get diffferent responses on google AI and chatgpt confuses me, but tbh its chat gpt that got me this far been representing myself and it has really helped thankyou for your help

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Jellybunny98 · Yesterday 20:20

The FOS can investigate, and while the lender of the second charge cannot provide you with any of the information as you were not the borrower, the ombudsman can obtain the information from them for their investigation.

As an separate point though OP you need to think about what outcome you actually want here because if you are not working, or do not have income to meet the affordability checks from the lender to take over the mortgage in your sole name you are going to lose the house anyway. No court is going to force him to stay on the mortgage as it would significantly reduce his own lending ability for housing himself. I would push for the investigation so that you don’t end up taking responsibility for any additional debt, but be prepared for the fact that best case you’ll get a chunk of the equity to leave with and find a way to house yourself.

hp5678 · Yesterday 20:22

@caringcarer yes thankyou I have thought about this, as I graduated in biomedical science and had to give up that career and he was able to progress his, he promised me and the children would always have the home I relied on this so yes possibly something for me to put in there thankyou I appreciate the help

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hp5678 · Yesterday 20:24

@JonBonJ thankyou I will have a look, this is helpful, the court has found I have a beneficial interest already so thats something I will have a look at what you suggested thankyou appreciate your help

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Gengha · Yesterday 20:25

How did he get tbis without the consent of the first charge holder?

Jellybunny98 · Yesterday 20:28

hp5678 · Yesterday 20:24

@JonBonJ thankyou I will have a look, this is helpful, the court has found I have a beneficial interest already so thats something I will have a look at what you suggested thankyou appreciate your help

Were you married OP? Sorry if I’ve missed that, but if you were not married then you have no claim on his pension.

hp5678 · Yesterday 20:29

@Gengha im assuming the first lender didnt bother checking and had ignored my email telling them about court proceedings or I think he had applied for the loan just before I notified the first lender. thanks for your reply appreciate it

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