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What’s the legal repercussions of speaking out online anonymously about certain things may know of a person we may know of called Andrew, and his friends?

67 replies

2026anon · 12/02/2026 08:59

Just wondering where on the internet is safe to speak about it anonymously with no personal repercussions (financial and personal repercussions)?

OP posts:
U53rName · 12/02/2026 14:31

Please remember that no matter how much these men try to lie, squirm, minimise, and deflect…

We believe you. I believe you.

Observed · 12/02/2026 14:34

I believe you @2026anon
I hope you get the justice and peace you deserve.

CactusSwoonedEnding · 12/02/2026 14:41

If what you say is definitely true (saw it yourself, could not possibly mistaken due to it being dark, everyone being a bit pissed or him looking similar to a different man who was also present) the you wouldn't be committing any crime by saying so. If you have signed a non-disclosure agreement and accepted a payment for it (including if what you witnessed was during working hours and non-disclosure was part of your employment contract) then you could be deemed in breach of contract and sued if the disclosure was shown to come from you but only if the disclosure was about non-criminal acts. If the information could be material to a criminal prosecution then disclosing it online could lead to that prosecution never happening due to the impossibility of holding a fair trial if the evidence has been so picked-over by the tabloids that it can no longer be presented to an unbiased jury in a balanced way.

Magical2026 · 12/02/2026 14:42

I really hope you get your story out OP

To anyone thinking of private messaging their painful experiences to the OP......please remember they are a stranger on the internet. No offence OP but people come on here and fish for stories.

BeepBoopBoop · 12/02/2026 14:46

Magical2026 · 12/02/2026 14:42

I really hope you get your story out OP

To anyone thinking of private messaging their painful experiences to the OP......please remember they are a stranger on the internet. No offence OP but people come on here and fish for stories.

And likewise OP, who sounds vulnerable at the moment, should be wary of anyone who messages. The Establishment is still protecting Andrew.

JLou08 · 12/02/2026 15:06

As long as it's the truth, I think it would be safe to come out with it. Not many would be jumping to defend them now there's so much information around about it.

2026anon · 12/02/2026 15:22

CactusSwoonedEnding · 12/02/2026 14:41

If what you say is definitely true (saw it yourself, could not possibly mistaken due to it being dark, everyone being a bit pissed or him looking similar to a different man who was also present) the you wouldn't be committing any crime by saying so. If you have signed a non-disclosure agreement and accepted a payment for it (including if what you witnessed was during working hours and non-disclosure was part of your employment contract) then you could be deemed in breach of contract and sued if the disclosure was shown to come from you but only if the disclosure was about non-criminal acts. If the information could be material to a criminal prosecution then disclosing it online could lead to that prosecution never happening due to the impossibility of holding a fair trial if the evidence has been so picked-over by the tabloids that it can no longer be presented to an unbiased jury in a balanced way.

Edited

No drink involved when met one of the names out there. No non disclosure agreement signed/employment contract? There wouldn’t be in how this was set up with these people. This was two decades ago. When you’re at an age you’re not in the mindset of fully fledged adult. You don’t think until later this isn’t normal behaviour of men with daughters themselves. You’re vulnerable. Usually from others I met, had families that were fragmented. Even if you went to a decent school which was a big selling point. ‘The innocent young looking British girl’, ‘pretend you still live at home with your parents’, ‘pretend your younger’, ‘pretend that I know your parents and I invited you out here for a holiday’ ..
These women fill a gap that someone of that age feels don’t have in their life (usually lack of familial presence), befriend, and later use it to their advantage and groom.

Mobile phones weren’t what they were these days. Proof is hard.

Sorry my minds been in scatters lately as can tell. Think best can do, wait until someone UK based comes forward to press and know that those dealing with their story, can back it up with mine. I need to concentrate on my daughter and health right now

OP posts:
2026anon · 12/02/2026 15:35

BeepBoopBoop · 12/02/2026 14:46

And likewise OP, who sounds vulnerable at the moment, should be wary of anyone who messages. The Establishment is still protecting Andrew.

Edited

Yes I’ve thought twice about this. I don’t trust anyone right now. Time to have a break from thinking about it all. The news.

Just please, if you have daughters, or even sons. Have open dialogue with them whatever age they are. Don’t let them ever feel they can’t talk to you about anything. And that nothing will ever be something they need to hide. Be there for them.
If your families fragmented, make sure they have someone to confide in, if it’s not you. You don’t want any cracks so that they seek it in others or seeked out by others using that for in authentic reasons.

This is rife, believe it or not. And not just in poor demographics. People are acting shocked now they are being thrown things coming to light, but perhaps only good thing to come of it is awareness that this isn’t just the weird neighbour, person on the street looking dodgy, or whatever stereotype. This is happening in every corner of society. The rich just have better ways of being wolves in sheep’s clothing.

OP posts:
User9767475 · 12/02/2026 15:39

Start an anonymous social media account using a new and non identifiable email. Ideally Tiktok since a lot of Epstein discussion is going on there. Write down your entire story factually, and break it up segments of readable text. Use a title like FIRST HAND ACCOUNT, WE NEED JUSTICE, or HE IS GUILTY, FULL STORY HERE, and post your story in slides. Don't make it too long otherwise people may lose interest, but add part 2 or 3 if needed.

Research a few creators who are interested in the situation. Just search names/hashtags and see which videos come up with most views. There are many very high profile journalistic influencers producing content in this topic right now. Tag their usernames, use all the hashtags you can think off and let the algorithm do the work. A viral Tiktok can get the message out to far more people than a press article.

The important thing is to keep the story calm and factual. There are lots of crazies out there so if there's a hint of conspiracy-theory fodder (satanism, any mention of russia or israel etc) then it can discredit the story. The vast majority of viewers will believe you. There won't be any repercussions because Tiktok UK is still owned by Bytedance which is in China and they genuinely don't give two shits about all of this. The worst that can happen is your video getting deleted.

Twingoo · 12/02/2026 16:03

I am so sorry that you were not protected and let down by the adults around you to be groomed, coerced and abused by other predatory adults hiding/operating in plain sight. I am sorry that this happened to you and you had no safe space to seek help at the time or even now. I am sorry you lost your friend in catastrophic circumstances and your MH has been shattered.

Please look after yourself first. Can you seek professional therapeutic support with expert experience on CSA / trauma. It’s most important to you and your children that you remain cohesive and coherent for them. Any exposure can come after once YOU are fully supported for what will be a challenging and uncertain endeavour. Do not expose your current fragile MH to anyone or anyone right now. Get treatment for the trauma and then be in a better position to decide what is the best next steps for you.

MissMoneyFairy · 12/02/2026 16:29

Maybe SOAR can offer you some support and advice, it was set up by VG to support victims

Twingoo · 12/02/2026 17:38

I think it’s only time though before more activity on UK soil to UK women and girls comes out. I suspect the police, RF security services know all of this and have turned a blind eye, paid off / threatened individual victims who are vulnerable alone and not (yet) networked
and supported / directed by a singular legal team. Divide and rule would be the approach. Strength will be in numbers - consolidating consistent experiences. If you go this alone you may be disappointed in your impact but if you put in the emotional care for yourself first and then maybe seek support from a VAWG/CSA charity they might well have a road map for you.

Clearly AMW is a predatory, trafficking, paedophile sex addict. No one of this persuasion is able to turn it on and off / contain it until they leave the country. Their drive is constant and insatiable like any addict and needs constant fuelling.

MoonWoman69 · 12/02/2026 17:45

If your accounts are true, then you really do need to report them. Having said that, unless you have some definitve proof - names, times, dates, locations, then I think you'll struggle to get anything done about it, other than have your report logged. But at least you'll have done something.
When things like this happen, it is really hard to find someone to trust and I appreciate that. But your evidence could make a difference to anyone still caught up in all this.

Hedgehogforshort · 12/02/2026 18:13

@2026anon hello, you picked the right board for this as it is quiet, and away from the madding crowds on mumsnet and the journalists

i was a sexual violence advocate for many years reading what you have said, and the way you say it makes me believe you.

i have in the distant past worked with female and male victims in the aftermath of a big children’s home scandal that led right to certain Lord, who was a well regarded MP.

A lot of it got buried.

Stay here sister. I think you may feel you are sitting on a volcano, so you need support as well so a local SVA would be useful as they will not direct you in any way, will hear you and help you if you really decide to go public.

to everyone else here please do not draw attention to others about this poster.

I think the advice re TIK TOK is good

OP you can PM if you wish.

Leither1 · 12/02/2026 21:13

I believe you, OP. I do believe there will be progress on this, it’s only a matter of time. If I were you I’d contact Sam Poling, she has lots of experience in this area.
https://tcij.org/person/sam-poling/ You can watch her documentary Who Killed Emma on the iplayer. She never gave up on that case which involved corruption at the highest level. Or just go to Emily Maitlis. She’ll believe you.

Cuttheshurtains · 12/02/2026 21:15

2026anon · 12/02/2026 09:22

Is it best just telling what I know to a journalist? Keeping anonymity that way?

I know of one I helped with research on something else in the past and have her contact details still.

What do I want to achieve? ..these terrible people to be answerable. (Like a lot of people do)

Edited

Yes I would get legal advice then if you feel comfortable after that speak to a journalist. .. but remember they may never use what they learn for all sorts of reasons

If it involves criminal behaviour then go to the police

Sparklybutold · 12/02/2026 21:34

@2026anoni was a victim of CSA. I have made a police report but as it was family have decided not to prosecute owing to the fall out. I often wonder what I would do if it was someone high profile - I ‘think’ I would seek legal advice first - there are some companies that offer pro bono or free initial session to see whether the company can take it on. I would however ensure i had proper support around me as if it does go forward it won’t be easy. You will be able to access specialist counselling. I would also recommend you write what you can down now, if you haven’t already.

Kimura · 13/02/2026 02:59

2026anon · 12/02/2026 08:59

Just wondering where on the internet is safe to speak about it anonymously with no personal repercussions (financial and personal repercussions)?

Sites/apps like Twitter, MumsNet etc can be compelled by court order to disclose identifying information related to 'anonymous' accounts.

While using a VPN to create/post from a social media account adds a layer of difficulty to tracing it's origin, it absolutely does not make it impossible, or even difficult, for anyone with knowledge/resources. This is especially true when it comes to free/cheap commercial VPNs.

If you want to post a potentially libelous statement anonymously online, you should first seek expert advice around protecting your identity.

UK law is very strict when it comes to libel. People will tell you that you can post anything you like, as long as it's true. This is often extremely dangerous advice.

A statement being 'substantially true' is indeed a legal defense available to someone accused of libel, however it does not prevent legal action being taken. Defending a libel claim that actually makes it to court will cost 5-6 figures; most are settled - even by people who believe themselves to be in the right - on this basis alone.

Additionally - and unusually - the burden of proof in defamation cases is on the accused.

If the crown accuses you of - for example - burglary, they must prove your guilt. You are not required to prove your innocence. If I take you to court for making a defamatory statement about me online however, the burden is on you to prove the veracity of your claim to the required standard. In broad terms, you must evidence to a court that your claim is 'more likely than not' to be true.

As with anonymity, taking expert advice is essential before making potentially libelous statements in a public forum.

Speaking to a reputable journalist from a reputable media outlet is a good option, but again, you will need to evidence any potentially defamatory claims, even if you are to remain anonymous in any resulting article.

Ponderingwindow · 13/02/2026 03:12

XelaM · 12/02/2026 11:36

I can't believe the replies so far. Has Andrew infiltrated Mumsnet? Of course you can take it to a journalist and write about your experience as long as what you say is true.

It's in the public interest for these men to be held to account (at least in the media).

Edited

OP asked how to bring forth information with no personal repercussions. There is no way to bring out a personal story or even to present hard evidence against people with this much power without the risk of personal repercussions.

A person can lose their job simply because of media attention. A civil lawsuit successfully defended can still destroy the finances of an average person. The mental health effects from seeing people discuss you online can be profound.

Coming forward in a high profile case is not trivial. I wish I had good advice on how best to do it while protecting oneself. We would all benefit as a society from more victims coming forward, but they do not owe us their stories.

HelsinkiLights · 13/02/2026 04:04

Crimestoppers

https://crimestoppers-uk.org

Another option completely anonymous & doesn't have to be a crime or nefarious activity that's happening now.

https://crimestoppers-uk.org

Hedgehogforshort · 13/02/2026 09:49

if you want to speak to a journalist Julie Bindel is the one she is an investigative journalist whose main interest is violence against women and girls. She is also well networked with the right kind of women. She is a visiting fellow at Reading university school of law and you can get her contact details from there.

missmollygreen · 13/02/2026 16:34

godmum56 · 12/02/2026 10:17

why would you want to speak out on SM and not take what you know to the police?

They want to take it to a journalist so they can get paid.

Alouest · 13/02/2026 16:45

I doubt it. They probably want to take it to a journalist so they can get the info out there without the stress of a court case. Cases like this are extremely tough on the women concerned.

2026anon · 13/02/2026 16:58

missmollygreen · 13/02/2026 16:34

They want to take it to a journalist so they can get paid.

Haven’t responded on this post since yesterday as yet as taking some much needed time to concentrate on my mental health which hasn’t been good recently due to the reasons I broached on in previous posts.

But this one I have seen and need to reply to.

I don’t want to take it to a journalist to get paid.

My still ‘uncertain stance’ on ‘what if I’ll do anything or if I do, what is best’ or ‘if it’s going to be any good for my mental health’ reasons are because the developing coverage has haunted me no end. That what I buried as the past, has come to the surface. Do I feel angry some of these people are waltzing around unscathed… so much so. Do I worry for it to happen in the future to others, yes. I have a daughter now.

In defence to your keyboard comment which feels like a personal attack (mistake me if I’m wrong and was not intended that way).. I don’t need to get ‘paid’. Nor would I want to.
But to justify to some keyboard warrior so perhaps you could think twice on such accusational comment, my home no longer has a mortgage, i don’t need dirty money to touch mt life, my child currently has private childcare (nanny) helping me during this period of time. I in no way or do I want money that comes from the result of actions of dirty acts of others near me.

Like have said. I don’t know what or if there’s anything I will or should do. But one thing I’m doing right now is and has been to delete any access to current news, social media (due to the tirade of updates on this subject). And take some time out to concentrate on dealing with the effects of what all that has brought to the surface.

Thank you to the previous posters who have taken time to reply on this tricky post, where haven’t had chance to reply.

OP posts:
DannyDeever · 13/02/2026 17:04

Mulledjuice · 12/02/2026 13:27

Then speak to the police?

This. Go straight to the police. Don't make it public at all until after any legal proceedings.

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