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Will CAFCASS exacerbate Abuse by flagging confidential historical concerns to my Ex?

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JoyousPoet376 · 19/08/2025 15:50

I'm in a really difficult situation and fraught with worry. I would like to see if any of you have been in a similar situation, and how CAFCASS / family court handled things for you.

Brief background:
I have an 8 year old daughter.

6 years ago, my mother (and then myself) spoke at length to the police, social services and a doctor, about my then spouse (a verbally vicious, erratic, narcissist), their treatment of me (mostly non physical but mentally abusive), and some milder concerns about treatment of our child at that time. This amounted to several lists of allegations - but all were requested to be kept confidential. Just to have them on record incase I ever needed them, and to get any advice. I had been led to believe at the time, that if I asked for things to remain confidential, they never would be shared with my then spouse. Sure enough, spouse was never brought to the attention of the matters I had raised. Thank God!

In present day however, with my Ex about to move to an hour away from me, a Child Arrangement Order is very likely to be sought - by my Ex. (Ex thinks a CAO can be weaponized to hurt me, as yet another way to help them feel good about themself and create a fight to keep themselves entertained. Ex lives for creating arguments and drama. Whilst I maintain the quiet, unassuming grey rock as usual.) I've said we don't need a CAO - which is my way of trying to avoid where possible, any conflict with this person. And that I'll just have our child when it suits my Ex, which is the way it has been for the last 4 years anyway.

The big problem, is that from my research, I understand that when a CAO is instigated, CAFCASS immediately go through both parties records (police, social services, maybe doctor). And anything they "think" is relevant, they flag in a report or letter, and they give copies of this to both parties and the CAO judge.

That is literally my worst nightmare. My Ex is toxic enough as it is, all the mental games, "mini punishments" to keep me in control of their wishes, and co parenting is often a nightmare. So if they received a report, detailing even 1 thing that I said, or my mother said, about them "behind their back" years ago, it's guaranteed they'll take massive "revenge", and our child will be alienated from me.

Like most people in this situation, I just want to as quietly and peacefully get on with me life as much as possible, and have tried hard for years to encourage this. (Though always outside of my control, as everything is like stepping on thin ice. Non issues are constant wild fire dramas that leave me exhausted).

Anyway, I found this online about CAFCASS which sounds relevant:

source: divorce.wikivorce.com/child-proceedings-guide/procedure/05-schedule-2-letters.html

  • CAFCASS may discuss the information received with the relevant party and with the other parent, but only if there are child welfare issues. They may only include in the report police information which is relevant to the child’s welfare. (In our case, any child welfare issues were raised 6 years ago, requested to be kept confidential, and were treated confidentally. Other than a social worker doing a "routine" checkup on my then-spouse at the time with our young one, and taking no further action. I said at the time in conclusion, that our child was "happy and healthy", which was broadly true.)

  • They may not give copies of police documentation to the parties or their legal representatives, or attach copies to the report.

  • CAFCASS may pass on police information to social services but only where there are urgent child protection issues or for the preparation of a Section 7 report. (in our case, there are no urgent child protection issues.)

  • The Schedule 2 letters must deal only with matters of safety, and the CAFCASS Family Court Advisor must not discuss any other matters with the parties; it is important that these matters are left until the Court hearing, so that both parties can know what issues the other has raised and so be on an ‘equal footing’.

  • Under Paragraph 3.9 of Practice Direction 12B the Court must inform the parties of the contents of this report unless it would create a risk of harm to a party or to the child (the applicant is a menace not only to the child but also to their ex). The Court must also consider whether there is need of,
    · A risk assessment; or
    · A finding of fact hearing to determine the actuality of any allegations made.

However, what does this mean in reality?

  • At what point do you bring the matter of keeping confidential things said in the past, still confidential, with CAFCASS or the COURT?
  • How far do you have to go to convince CAFCASS / court not to share previously undisclosed allegations, that were made confidentially, with your Ex? Especially in a case where, despite your Ex's failings, you do feel your child is safe and happy "enough", and you're happy to go along with whatever child schedule your Ex wants, for the sake of peace.
  • What guarantees will CAFCASS / court give that they won't reveal things to your Ex, that would massively inflame tensions going forwards?

For example, does CAFCASS have any thresholds? Like, would they see stuff that was said to the police / social services 6 years ago, and think to themselves, well, no action was taken 6 years ago, and the matter was requested to be kept confidential at that time. No child welfare allegations have been made by the parent (or grandparent) in the last 6 years to authorities. And the parent when interviewed with CAFCASS officer on telephone recently, said the child is "happy and healthy" when child is with either parent. And parent has strongly requested not to disclose anything from the past to Ex, to avoid inflaming tensions. So ultimately, the undisclosed allegations from the past, will NOT be noted in the letter/report to the Ex.

That would be ideal.

So -- Anyone been in a similar situation, where you didn't want confidential things from the past, to be flagged to your Ex by CAFCASS/Court? And did they oblige, to keep things as low-conflict as possible?

I wish it could just be as simple as CAFCASS calling me, and me saying: "Our child is safe and happy with my Ex. I have no concerns about my Ex that I feel would affect any child arrangement. I'll accept whatever arrangement I'm given - especially as nothing is worth the paper it's printed on, as everything ends up an adhoc schedule all over the place as and when suits my Ex. And even if my Ex has made out that laughable, I myself am the worst parent in the world, there's no point responding to such nonsense, especially as I'd be looking after our child as soon as my Ex wants a day out with friends. Ie, the whole CAO thing is a waste of time - yet another creation of drama and argument and something to try and hurt me with, where there is no need for any CAO at all."

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JoyousPoet376 · 19/08/2025 15:58

Perhaps I could even anonymously write to Cafcass to ask them on their policy for dealing with such a situation, although on their contact form they say they won't discuss anyone's circumstances if there isn't already an active case lodged.

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BabyCatFace · 19/08/2025 16:03

Are you saying that you made a referral about abuse of your child from your spouse (wife?) at the time and a social worker visited but nobody told your wife or discussed it with her? That is highly irregular and strange. She had the right to be informed about any assessment assuming she is in fact the mother and therefore has PR! As to your question - cafcass will write to social services and ask them about any involvement with the child. Social services will not give chapter and verse for a brief assessment that took place 6 years ago but they will inform them, and if cafcass think it's relevant they will ask to see the assessment and may include it in the report. If your wife/ex/spouse hears that an assessment was carried out she would have the right to request a copy of it from social services (and put in a complaint that they didn't inform her at the time, TBF)

BabyCatFace · 19/08/2025 16:04

Are you saying that you made a referral about abuse of your child from your spouse (wife?) at the time and a social worker visited but nobody told your wife or discussed it with her? That is highly irregular and strange. She had the right to be informed about any assessment assuming she is in fact the mother and therefore has PR! As to your question - cafcass will write to social services and ask them about any involvement with the child. Social services will not give chapter and verse for a brief assessment that took place 6 years ago but they will inform them, and if cafcass think it's relevant they will ask to see the assessment and may include it in the report. If your wife/ex/spouse hears that an assessment was carried out she would have the right to request a copy of it from social services (and put in a complaint that they didn't inform her at the time, TBF)

BabyCatFace · 19/08/2025 16:05

It's also really odd that she's applied to court successfully when you say that she calls the shots on contact time with you and you accept what you're given. Did you have mediation first? On what basis has she applied to court? There should be some disagreement between the parties that needs court oversight, otherwise what's the point?

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 19/08/2025 16:24

It’s really strange that a resident parent would apply for a child arrangement order unless you are preventing them from moving or going abroad.

i was also advised by police that they couldn’t keep da report confidential as they had to investigate it as a crime if they thought it needed pursuing, so I didn’t report da against me (perhaps to my peril if he ever applies to court).

if you are genuinely concerned for a child’s safety then you should address that with the adult who the child lives with, or a third party who will talk to them- otherwise it’s not a genuine concern is it it’s just mud slinging and trying to control the narrative. Eg if they have grubby clothing - either this is something that harms your children and therefore you need to ensure it’s sorted out, or it doesn’t harm them and therefore you don’t need to get authorities secretly involved but ban them from doing anything.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 19/08/2025 16:26

If cafcass think that an accusation is serious they will of course ask mum for their side of the story. But I think it would be a lot more relevant if you were going to court saying she is unfit and child should live with you, rather than what’s going on here. When you have your first cafcass call you can let them know that ten years ago you were worried that the kids didn’t eat enough vegetables or whatever it was but that’s no longer a concern.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 19/08/2025 16:27

I think resident parent wouldn’t need to do mediation if (she?) is aware that’s she’s been accused of DA by the op

JoyousPoet376 · 19/08/2025 17:15

Thanks for your help, thoughts and replies so far. It's really good to be able to discuss this with you.

So... nobody has yet gone to court about anything.

My Ex, whom are child lives with, (though child spends 2 to 3 nights a week with me for past 4 years) is very erratic, blurts wild sentiments out, with minimal or no understanding on a subject matter, that often leaves people perplexed.

Ex has said a CAO will be sought, just as a means to make things difficult for me in future. Thinks that by moving an hour away from me, a CAO is a default thing to have. And thinks a CAO can hurt me further, as part of the usual mind games and creating drama where there is no need for drama.

So, CAO - I don't know. When a parent instigates the process for one, do they need to say on the form: This is what we disagree on, and here is what I propose for how it's resolved? In this case, my Ex would be lying as there's no "disagreement" over any schedule, as no schedule has been discussed, and I would agree to any so called "schedule" just to keep the peace.

I'm also not sure how that would work in terms of mediation - if mediation is required before a CAO can be instigated - because I'd just sit there and say: I'll sign to whatever schedule my Ex proposes. So, there is no disagreement.

Does that mean mediator can then and there draw something up, and submit to court for approval? Thus bypassing CAFCASS involvement altogether?

I don't think my Ex is aware of who or what cafcass is - just that a CAO is something that could be imposed on me to my detriment. In which case, Ex may as well impose and "detrimental schedule" on me during mediation - with me knowing it'll go out the window as soon as the schedule doesn't fit the "desire" any longer.

Only thing in that case would be, if Ex tries to get out of child mediation by claiming DA... would that mean DA from me towards Ex, or from me towards the Child, or either? Either way, there won't be any record of DA from me towards either of them, because none has ever occurred. Unless Ex makes some up in order to bypass mediation.

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BabyCatFace · 19/08/2025 17:19

Does that mean mediator can then and there draw something up, and submit to court for approval? Thus bypassing CAFCASS involvement altogether?

it won't even be submitted to court. It will just be a parenting plan that you both agree to.

She could bypass mediation if she was seeking support from a DA charity and therefore could 'evidence' DA (even if what you say is true and there wasn't any) BUT if there is no adversity between you and you are willing to agree any contact schedule she proposes then the whole endeavour is pointless and she will be severely criticised by the court for wasting their time.

BabyCatFace · 19/08/2025 17:19

Does that mean mediator can then and there draw something up, and submit to court for approval? Thus bypassing CAFCASS involvement altogether?

it won't even be submitted to court. It will just be a parenting plan that you both agree to.

She could bypass mediation if she was seeking support from a DA charity and therefore could 'evidence' DA (even if what you say is true and there wasn't any) BUT if there is no adversity between you and you are willing to agree any contact schedule she proposes then the whole endeavour is pointless and she will be severely criticised by the court for wasting their time.

JoyousPoet376 · 19/08/2025 17:23

Also to add, I (or mother) have never formally said to police, or social services "I have been the victim of domestic abuse" by my then-spouse. The conversations was more: I'm having issues with my spouse. These are all the issues I'm having. These are the concerns I have. I am not labelling this as "domestic abuse". My Ex has these personality traits, X, Y, Z. What advice/help as the police or social services can they suggest.

When I spoke to the police at the time, said no crime fitted the allegations that I was making. And prior to that, when my mum spoke to social services, they ultimately asked if the child safety was as risk of harm, and was told "no". They sent out a routine child worker (which you get appointed when child is young) who didn't disclose anything to my Ex, as it would have inflamed tensions. Their check concluded there was no risk. And nothing has been said of the police and social services meeting since, in 6 years. Hence I hoped that stuff would all disappear. It was a previous chapter in life.

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JoyousPoet376 · 19/08/2025 17:25

BabyCatFace · 19/08/2025 17:19

Does that mean mediator can then and there draw something up, and submit to court for approval? Thus bypassing CAFCASS involvement altogether?

it won't even be submitted to court. It will just be a parenting plan that you both agree to.

She could bypass mediation if she was seeking support from a DA charity and therefore could 'evidence' DA (even if what you say is true and there wasn't any) BUT if there is no adversity between you and you are willing to agree any contact schedule she proposes then the whole endeavour is pointless and she will be severely criticised by the court for wasting their time.

Thing is, Ex isn't normal.

What is mediator says: Let's draw up a parenting plan. And my Ex refuses and says nope, only a court ordered child arrangement will do. (Ie, creating drama where there is no need for any)

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Campingisnexttogodliness · 19/08/2025 17:26

Cafcass told my exh things the judge had agreed be kept quiet.. They are a load of back stabbing tossers ime.

JoyousPoet376 · 19/08/2025 17:31

Campingisnexttogodliness · 19/08/2025 17:26

Cafcass told my exh things the judge had agreed be kept quiet.. They are a load of back stabbing tossers ime.

So is the process, that you personally ask the judge for cafcass NOT to relay certain information to your Ex, on the basis that it will inflame tensions (and achieve nothing) ?

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BabyCatFace · 19/08/2025 17:32

JoyousPoet376 · 19/08/2025 17:25

Thing is, Ex isn't normal.

What is mediator says: Let's draw up a parenting plan. And my Ex refuses and says nope, only a court ordered child arrangement will do. (Ie, creating drama where there is no need for any)

Then she will be able to apply to court, because mediation has failed. But see point B.

BabyCatFace · 19/08/2025 17:33

JoyousPoet376 · 19/08/2025 17:31

So is the process, that you personally ask the judge for cafcass NOT to relay certain information to your Ex, on the basis that it will inflame tensions (and achieve nothing) ?

No not really
you don't get to speak to the judge privately (or magistrates more likely) unless there is a risk of DA. In this case you wouldn't have any private time in the court that she didn't have access to.

Campingisnexttogodliness · 19/08/2025 17:35

As in dna testing was to take place - details to be kept quiet of time /place etc. Cafcass told my exh the details..
Cafcass senior officer admitted on the stand after 4 years of case his 'facts' had all been gained from my exh...

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