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prh47bridge · 07/06/2025 19:36

don't forget that courts let off teenaged rapists frequently

Evidence?

PhilippaGeorgiou · 07/06/2025 20:52

@Shirleycatlady Ignore facts, then peddle unevidenced rabid bullshit.

There is certainly a sexist nutter here, and it isn't a male on this occasion.

Shirleycatlady · 08/06/2025 00:13

Proud sexist, darling...and I've got good reason to be. There's reports in the news of injustices against women...I know women who've been affected by all this. I've known teenaged girls who've seen their attackers let off. It happens all the time...just read the news. Talk to women...I've been watching VAWG cases for decades where women were blamed. Teachers, professionals, social workers, have all relayed horror stories. I don't live in cloud cuckoo land where it has to be all hearsay. Evidence.???!..just Google Rapist let off by court...No charge brought by CPS. Rotherham and Rochdale were just a piece in a Europe wide jigsaw puzzle. Because left wing govts colluded with it people have turned to divisive right wing parties.
Women don't pursue cases because the legal system is so hostile to them... Countries that don't protect women and children are third world failed states...Welcome to Britain.

prh47bridge · 08/06/2025 08:57

A search for rapists let off by court mainly reveals articles about a case in Scotland where a young man escaped prison, which is entirely due to the SNP. I would imagine you are referring to cases where juries have returned not guilty verdicts where you think it should have been guilty. Of course, you only have the limited summaries produced in the press, whereas the jury will have heard all the evidence. But hey, let's not bother with evidence and proof.

Juries are not perfect. They sometimes get it wrong and find someone not guilty when really, on the evidence, they should be found guilty, just as they sometimes convict innocent defendants. But they are the best we have, and they convict in around 60-65% of rape cases. The main reason rape convictions are low is that many victims pull out of the process before it gets to court. That is what needs to be addressed.

And, of course, none of this has anything to do with the subject of this thread - a young woman who, on the evidence, murdered a man who was not a child sex abuser, as you implied and another alleged. It is clear from the evidence that she was not acting in self-defence. She was acting out of anger.

Velmy · 14/06/2025 03:19

I find it odd that you advocate the reinstatement of the death penalty for certain crimes, while simultaneously stating that you have little faith in our justice system's ability to deliver accurate verdicts or administer suitable punishments.

ProfessorSlocombe · 14/06/2025 10:38

Juries are not perfect. They sometimes get it wrong and find someone not guilty when really, on the evidence, they should be found guilty, just as they sometimes convict innocent defendants. But they are the best we have, and they convict in around 60-65% of rape cases. The main reason rape convictions are low is that many victims pull out of the process before it gets to court. That is what needs to be addressed.

The quote from Lord Devlin about each jury being the lamp that shows justice lives and is a little parliament without which parliament cannot exist itself springs to my mind. (Although not the internets, it seems - there no longer seems to be any provision of the full quote ...._)

LazyStupidandGodless · 14/06/2025 12:25

ProfessorSlocombe · 14/06/2025 10:38

Juries are not perfect. They sometimes get it wrong and find someone not guilty when really, on the evidence, they should be found guilty, just as they sometimes convict innocent defendants. But they are the best we have, and they convict in around 60-65% of rape cases. The main reason rape convictions are low is that many victims pull out of the process before it gets to court. That is what needs to be addressed.

The quote from Lord Devlin about each jury being the lamp that shows justice lives and is a little parliament without which parliament cannot exist itself springs to my mind. (Although not the internets, it seems - there no longer seems to be any provision of the full quote ...._)

@prh47bridge I'm somehow more comfortable with the idea of juries rather than the final say resting on just one person i.e. the judge.

But I'm interested in the figure that you quoted; is that 60-65% of all reported rape cases or just the ones that make it to court?

Whereabouts did you get that figure?

Thanks!

ProfessorSlocombe · 14/06/2025 12:30

ProfessorSlocombe · 14/06/2025 10:38

Juries are not perfect. They sometimes get it wrong and find someone not guilty when really, on the evidence, they should be found guilty, just as they sometimes convict innocent defendants. But they are the best we have, and they convict in around 60-65% of rape cases. The main reason rape convictions are low is that many victims pull out of the process before it gets to court. That is what needs to be addressed.

The quote from Lord Devlin about each jury being the lamp that shows justice lives and is a little parliament without which parliament cannot exist itself springs to my mind. (Although not the internets, it seems - there no longer seems to be any provision of the full quote ...._)

Full test:

Each jury is a little parliament. The jury sense is the parliamentary
sense. I cannot the see the one dying and the other surviving. The first
object of any tyrant in Whitehall would be to make parliament utterly
subservient to his will; and the next to overthrow or diminish trial by
jury, for no tyrant could afford to leave a subject’s freedom in the
hands of twelve of his countrymen. So that trial by jury is more than an
instrument of justice and more than one wheel of the constitution: it is
the lamp that shows that freedom lives.

prh47bridge · 14/06/2025 15:34

LazyStupidandGodless · 14/06/2025 12:25

@prh47bridge I'm somehow more comfortable with the idea of juries rather than the final say resting on just one person i.e. the judge.

But I'm interested in the figure that you quoted; is that 60-65% of all reported rape cases or just the ones that make it to court?

Whereabouts did you get that figure?

Thanks!

Edited

That is the figure for cases that get to court. The 6% or lower conviction rate that is often quoted is the percentage of all reported rape cases that result in a rape conviction. My figure comes from the CPS who publish it in the quarterly statistics.

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