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Paternity dispute - what is a judge likely to say?

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KimberleyS91 · 21/03/2025 11:40

Posting on behalf of my husband's situation. Please be kind because this has been extremely stressful for me and I'm fully aware it should have been sorted a long time ago.

Before we met, my husband (potentially) fathered a child. He was not in a relationship with the mother. He was young, didn't take responsibility, wasn't ready. Like I said - I do not want this to be a lecture on his choices back then. I've had this conversation with him countless times.

Anyway. The mother chose not to add him to the birth certificate on the basis of it wasn't needed and her father wasn't on hers. She did not claim child maintenance from my husband at this time. Myself and my husband met when the child was a few months old. We tried to establish a relationship with the child. When I fell pregnant, she then put in a claim for child maintenance. My husband didn't get the letter initially as it went to his parents house. When he did, he asked for a DNA test. The CSA said they couldn't help him with the cost of this. At the time, he was working very, very few hours and couldn't afford the test himself. This meant the CSA assumed parentage.

Anyway, fast forward a few years, my husband has always paid maintenance. The CSA then said they could also (for some reason, maybe the policy changed?) help with paying for the test and he then pays them back. She agreed to the test. He provided his sample which was sent off. The next thing he hears, she has provided evidence to say that the child can't provide a sample. The CSA had verified and accepted medical evidence she provided but wouldn't share what this was with my husband due to data protection. They also said they understand my husband didn't meet any other criteria for parentage but that the case couldn't be closed now unless she did it and they advised we get legal advice.

Again, we've had to save up money, trying to find a way forward. We speak to a solicitor who, using a PI, gets her address and sends her a letter outlining the situation (I can't remember exactly what the solicitor wrote but basically threatening court). The mother then says that she will do a DNA test, but then the CSA said it couldn't be done through them because they had already accepted medical evidence suggesting the child couldn't provide a sample. So we had to go private, but of course we wanted a DNA test that would be accepted in court rather than just the random DNA test kits you can buy anywhere.

My husband pays for this second DNA test with Alpha Bio labs. The company came to our house to take the sample after the mother had said she agreed to the test. She then said that the child wouldn't be able to travel to either of the two clinics in Scotland because she doesn't drive and her child's needs mean he can't use public transport. So we then pay more money for someone to go to her house to take the sample.

This week, we've had a call from Alpha Bio who said she has refused the DNA test. My husband messaged her and she said that a child protection specialist nurse is in agreement with Camhs that the child can't have the test because he doesn't want it done. She's saying the court can't force a test because it would cause him too much distress. She says this is now "Camhs, drs, child protection specialist nurse, family support and school all on same page only one who’s not is yourself".

We are trying to get this taken to court but honestly this is just costing so much money whilst the maintenance is still being paid. If this goes to court, what are the chances that a judge will close the case? Ideally we'd like a DNA test but we accept that under human rights, no one can be forced to provide a sample. But if my husband doesn't meet any other criteria, what is the likely outcome?

Honestly this is causing so much stress and upset and I just don't know where we go from here.

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ComtesseDeSpair · 21/03/2025 12:25

A test can be court ordered if it’s believed to be in the best interests of the child. Broadly it’s seen as in the interests of a child to know the fact of who their biological parent is, even if child and / or parent aren’t interested in a relationship with each other. The court can also draw inferences from the refusal and make a decision on paternity that way.

A DNA sample can be obtained from saliva / cheek swap or a hair follicle, so her claim that the child is medically unable to be tested or would be distressed by it seems fairly weak.

KimberleyS91 · 21/03/2025 12:28

ComtesseDeSpair · 21/03/2025 12:25

A test can be court ordered if it’s believed to be in the best interests of the child. Broadly it’s seen as in the interests of a child to know the fact of who their biological parent is, even if child and / or parent aren’t interested in a relationship with each other. The court can also draw inferences from the refusal and make a decision on paternity that way.

A DNA sample can be obtained from saliva / cheek swap or a hair follicle, so her claim that the child is medically unable to be tested or would be distressed by it seems fairly weak.

Edited

Thank you.

So say if a judge was to accept her medical evidence and that a test cannot be performed because it wouldn't be in a child's best interests, surely a judge couldn't then reasonably expect my husband to continue to pay maintenance when he doesn't meet any of the parentage criteria either? Or am I missing something? 😅

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ComtesseDeSpair · 21/03/2025 12:38

It’s decided on a case by case basis. The judge would weigh up all the evidence and information in making a decision, drawing inferences, and on a balance of probabilities. The mother refusing a test will be taken into account, as will your husband’s own initial refusal to take the CSA test.

KimberleyS91 · 21/03/2025 13:01

ComtesseDeSpair · 21/03/2025 12:38

It’s decided on a case by case basis. The judge would weigh up all the evidence and information in making a decision, drawing inferences, and on a balance of probabilities. The mother refusing a test will be taken into account, as will your husband’s own initial refusal to take the CSA test.

Edited

It's a shame as it wasn't a refusal, more that he couldn't pay for the cost of the test (it was over £300 at the time if I remember, and as he wasn't really working at that moment in time, he was paying the very minimum in maintenance, he simply didn't have the funds to pay).

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JohnofWessex · 21/03/2025 14:15

What should happen if she refuses to take a test is that the court/CSA should draw a negative inference and decide that your husband is not the childs father

Whaleandsnail6 · 21/03/2025 17:54

How old is the child? And was your husband ever able to develop a relationship with them?

The whole thing regarding the paternity test seems very odd... isn't it just a case of a saliva or hair sample? I don't understand why a child would not be able to do that?

It seems unfair that your husband has to pay for a child that could not be his biological and there is no way of proving this since the child can't do the test?

MrsPinkCock · 21/03/2025 22:58

Might be a question for @prh47bridge if she is able.

prh47bridge · 22/03/2025 08:31

The reasons OP's husband didn't take the test are irrelevant. From the CMS viewpoint, he turned down a DNA test, so they are entitled to assume he is the father. The fact that a DNA test is being blocked now is not enough to overturn that. It would be different if he had gone ahead with the test at the first opportunity and it had been blocked then.

It seems odd that the child is said to be unable to provide a sample, but we don't know why. However, the mother's consent is normally needed for the child to be tested.

He should consult a solicitor to see if he has a case to get the courts to order a test. If he can get an order, that will at least establish whether there is a genuine reason for the child not being tested and may allow him to get certainty as to whether he is the father.

KimberleyS91 · 22/03/2025 12:58

prh47bridge · 22/03/2025 08:31

The reasons OP's husband didn't take the test are irrelevant. From the CMS viewpoint, he turned down a DNA test, so they are entitled to assume he is the father. The fact that a DNA test is being blocked now is not enough to overturn that. It would be different if he had gone ahead with the test at the first opportunity and it had been blocked then.

It seems odd that the child is said to be unable to provide a sample, but we don't know why. However, the mother's consent is normally needed for the child to be tested.

He should consult a solicitor to see if he has a case to get the courts to order a test. If he can get an order, that will at least establish whether there is a genuine reason for the child not being tested and may allow him to get certainty as to whether he is the father.

Thanks so much for your response.

So even if the CMS have said he has refused a DNA test, would he still not technically meet any other criteria for parentage? They have put this in a letter to us a while ago I believe where they said he doesn't meet any other criteria so I'm not sure if this makes a difference.

Would the courts look at the fact he's provided two samples now? I'm just confused I suppose that despite my husband "refusing" a test initially, he's since done everything to provide samples and through all the legal channels. I understand this is more of a question for the solicitor but just trying to see what the possible outcomes may be. Thanks again!

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Velvian · 22/03/2025 13:20

Has your DH taken legal advice on what action may be taken if he stops maintenance payments?

I would be inclined to stop the payments and put it aside until paternity can be established.

justanothercrapbedtime · 22/03/2025 14:43

Controversial….but I’d stop paying maintenance until the test is done

UncharteredWaters · 23/03/2025 01:01

I’d say all that ‘medical evidence’ doesn’t exist. There’s no way any of my colleagues and I would touch this with a barge pole. It runs the risk that I end up explaining to the courts why I think I’m qualified to say it shouldn’t be down.

with an older teen child - if asked for evidence I would write Child x is y years old, they have a b and c diagnosis. Their mother attended today stating X would be distressed at a dna test.

or if a very very disabled child - the psychiatrist could write that child x would have no ability to understand and consent to the test.

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