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Breaching police bail

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Chaoticbrain · 19/03/2025 19:54

I posted here a few months ago regarding a grooming offence which my child is the victim of. The man has been on bail renewed twice and . The file is now with the CPS to make a decision. The conditions are that he is not to have any contact with anyone under 18 or any contact with with my child. He breached these conditions and the police went to see him- to reinforce this conditions. In the last week there have been several videos shared by him on social media which shows he is still actively working with children. We reported this to the police- nothing has happened. This evening- he came to my place of work- for an event that was delivered by children. My children both attend here. He has no family members or other connections. He then posted videos of himself talking to random children.

What on earth can we do? - he is blatantly continually breaching his conditions and not even hiding it. While my daughter tries to pick up the pieces- he has yet again taken a safe place from her- she moved to my work place following the incident and was starting to feel confident again. Thankfully she is not yet aware but the videos have been shared on multiple platforms and by several organisations related to childrens activities. I was unaware of it until it was too and I have asked them to be removed .

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Lyannaa · 20/03/2025 04:05

I don’t know but this sounds absolutely awful and the police are clearly not doing their jobs properly.

Redglitter · 20/03/2025 04:12

Phone 101 & ask for a duty Sgt or Inspector to call you. Explain to them you've reported the breaches and ask why no action is being taken.

We get breaches reported to us regularly and they're dealt with as a priority when it involves children or domestic abuse

Let them know if nothings done you'll take it further

ThePoshUns · 20/03/2025 06:39

Police bail conditions are a toothless tiger. If someone breaches them, they can be arrested but police then either need to seek a charge for the original offence, or for a new offence.
If the original offence is not case ready then CPS won’t charge. If there are no new offences such as witness intimidation or harassment then they are released on the original bail conditions.
its frustrating for everyone involved including police.
once charged bail conditions are easily enforced and put before the court.
it would be helpful if the the officers dealing explain this to you.

plantfan · 20/03/2025 06:41

I'd make a complaint so you can report it to the Police Ombudsman. You have to have gone through the police complaint process first unfortunately.

Chaoticbrain · 20/03/2025 07:12

ThePoshUns · 20/03/2025 06:39

Police bail conditions are a toothless tiger. If someone breaches them, they can be arrested but police then either need to seek a charge for the original offence, or for a new offence.
If the original offence is not case ready then CPS won’t charge. If there are no new offences such as witness intimidation or harassment then they are released on the original bail conditions.
its frustrating for everyone involved including police.
once charged bail conditions are easily enforced and put before the court.
it would be helpful if the the officers dealing explain this to you.

So what is the point of the bail conditions?
He originally said he was going to appeal the bail conditions but didn’t he’s just totally ignoring them.
We have been told we can’t tell anyone about the incident- I feel totally let down by the police. It took a huge amount of courage for my child to speak out and they have just started to come out of their shell, making new friends and doing her favourite activities again.

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Velmy · 20/03/2025 07:52

Perhaps anonymous posts on all your local Facebook groups would help. Hardly ideal but if the proper channels aren't working, at least people will know to have their guard up around him.

Chaoticbrain · 20/03/2025 13:09

Velmy · 20/03/2025 07:52

Perhaps anonymous posts on all your local Facebook groups would help. Hardly ideal but if the proper channels aren't working, at least people will know to have their guard up around him.

We have definitely thought about this, the police however have warned us against it.

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prh47bridge · 20/03/2025 13:34

The relevant statutory guidance says, "It is important that police take positive action when a suspect has breached their bail conditions. Officers are encouraged to arrest for breach of bail or another substantive offence, wherever reasonable. This gives a positive message to victims and witnesses of crime. It ensures that the suspect is aware that further offending behaviour will not go unaddressed and may act as a deterrent to suspects, who may otherwise believe there is no consequence to a breach of police bail conditions."

Statutory guidance is as close to law as it is possible to be without actually being law. The police should follow the guidance unless there are good reasons not to do so in a particular case.

Chaoticbrain · 20/03/2025 17:46

prh47bridge · 20/03/2025 13:34

The relevant statutory guidance says, "It is important that police take positive action when a suspect has breached their bail conditions. Officers are encouraged to arrest for breach of bail or another substantive offence, wherever reasonable. This gives a positive message to victims and witnesses of crime. It ensures that the suspect is aware that further offending behaviour will not go unaddressed and may act as a deterrent to suspects, who may otherwise believe there is no consequence to a breach of police bail conditions."

Statutory guidance is as close to law as it is possible to be without actually being law. The police should follow the guidance unless there are good reasons not to do so in a particular case.

No one from the police has called us back or replied to our messages or online reports. Feel totally lost

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Chaoticbrain · 31/03/2025 23:02

Another update and again more confused.
He was re arrested for breach of bail conditions. However there is no new conditions and no further action.

His defence was he was confused about the bail conditions and the CPS agree that they were ‘ambiguous’ as LADO had approved supervised contact (supposedly for his own children) but he has taken that to mean supervised contact with any young person!!!

Police are pushing it onto LADO and CPS they are passing it back to the police.

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manipulatrice · 01/04/2025 01:17

I am assuming this is all pre charge bail? Like a previous poster said, until CPS agree charges, we can arrest for the breach of bail but it eats away at his bail clock which gives us less time to deal with him officially when we need too. I’m going to assume he hasn’t got much time left on it hence why he is not arrested.
If he is arrested we can either red case him as a remand case to CPS if applicable or we have to release him again.
Each breach of bail should have an accompanying statement to evidence the behaviour.
The issue here isn’t the police, it’s CPS. We can only use the powers available to us pending a charging decision.

dad11122 · 03/05/2025 08:39

manipulatrice · 01/04/2025 01:17

I am assuming this is all pre charge bail? Like a previous poster said, until CPS agree charges, we can arrest for the breach of bail but it eats away at his bail clock which gives us less time to deal with him officially when we need too. I’m going to assume he hasn’t got much time left on it hence why he is not arrested.
If he is arrested we can either red case him as a remand case to CPS if applicable or we have to release him again.
Each breach of bail should have an accompanying statement to evidence the behaviour.
The issue here isn’t the police, it’s CPS. We can only use the powers available to us pending a charging decision.

Arrest for breach of bail, take to cps for an emergency charging decision using your extra few hours based on defendant isn’t sticking to their bail conditions, this then shows that at least police have done everything they can to support vulnerable victims, if cps refuse to decide or charge then that’s on them but at least victim feels that police are doing what they can.

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