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Due to hand back rental we have departed on Friday, too sick to empty house, how to pay rent and how much?

146 replies

KievLoverTwo · 10/11/2024 14:41

We gave notice around 8th Oct to leave on 15th Nov; on 12th Oct got keys to new house (hundreds of miles away), moved out straight away. Slowly been emptying the old house (5-10 hour round trips + packing, loading, unloading), due back one final time next week but the OH has now been very sick for four days and I just can't risk it. He was sick in September with similar symptoms and it lasted almost a month. Slightly different symptoms this time and other complaints also in the mix but he's basically been ill on and off since the day we picked up keys to the new place and done half a dozen journeys in amongst really struggling with copious amounts of pain. Oh - and I have M.E., so I've been fully loading, unloading and setting up home and shifting it all around on my own because he's been incapacitated. With M.E. Ha. Much fun. Anyway, the new symptoms aren't just pain. They're the sort that could cause him to black out at the wheel. And I don't drive. And I'm not physically capable of doing that journey on public transport. And there are no nearby friends to pack stuff up and send a man in a van. It's only one more van load - it's pretty frustrating.

I'm almost certainly going to end up taking this former landlord to court at some point in the future so I need whatever we do regarding rent to absolutely on the straight and narrow. Rent needs to be paid in advance, it's usually paid on the 15th. So, if we can't clear out by Friday, is the legally correct thing to do to pay an entire month's rent, and advise the keys will be handed back 15th Dec?

I assume if I do that and we clear out in a fortnight, that's just our tough luck - we're not entitled to any of it back?

The house is not habitable for various reasons but that doesn't really matter, that's a whole other story. What matters most is that I keep my nose absolutely clean, even if I can't live in her house and I've been paying double rent and utilities for almost 5 weeks and have to keep on doing it. No doubt a court would say 'but rent was due for a month, not a fortnight, so you broke the terms of the lease' - right?

Of course, I'd prefer to pay her a week or a fortnight at a time, but I'd rather pay too much and suck it up and know she doesn't have a single thing on me legally than do the wrong thing (pay a week/fortnight at a time) and risk a court case failing.

Google is NOT my friend on this. Please advise if you have direct experience of this or know what the legal precedents are, thank you.

OP posts:
AquaPeer · 11/11/2024 09:12

thanksicloud · 11/11/2024 09:10

Indeed
but if he’s as ill as op says, surely on one of these ten hour car trips that he’s drivings… she could have buzzed the surgery?

You can’t register someone else at a surgery. They need to bring in their paperwork and do it themselves. At least in the last 4 I’ve joined.

of course he could’ve registered himself in a month, but OP can’t control what he does can she?

Justnobabe · 11/11/2024 09:15

thanksicloud · 11/11/2024 09:10

all over mumsnet talking about her purchase

Not seen that at all but I expect they will confirm if correct.

Mirabai · 11/11/2024 09:16

KievLoverTwo · 11/11/2024 08:53

Honesty - I don’t welcome your judgement. I arranged a stressful move around my own disability and then my partner got sick. So really if it makes your day brighter by coming here to make me feel bad about us both being incapacitated, feel free to find someone else to pick on because you aren’t going to succeed in making me feel bad because of my illness.

It’s because you’re ill that you needed to be more organised and more sensible.

You’re coming here for sympathy for problems caused not by illness but lack of planning and forethought.

thanksicloud · 11/11/2024 09:17

Justnobabe · 11/11/2024 09:15

Not seen that at all but I expect they will confirm if correct.

when i say all over mumsnet

i mean hundreds of posts about the OP’s current experience of buying and completion

thanksicloud · 11/11/2024 09:17

Mirabai · 11/11/2024 09:16

It’s because you’re ill that you needed to be more organised and more sensible.

You’re coming here for sympathy for problems caused not by illness but lack of planning and forethought.

this

thanksicloud · 11/11/2024 09:18

AquaPeer · 11/11/2024 09:12

You can’t register someone else at a surgery. They need to bring in their paperwork and do it themselves. At least in the last 4 I’ve joined.

of course he could’ve registered himself in a month, but OP can’t control what he does can she?

you can arrange to collect forms
both of you collect
both complete
drop back whilst out at about

thanksicloud · 11/11/2024 09:19

my partner seriously ill for a month…. i’d have found the time to progress with surgery

Mirabai · 11/11/2024 09:19

thanksicloud · 11/11/2024 09:18

you can arrange to collect forms
both of you collect
both complete
drop back whilst out at about

If they’re still registered with the old surgery they can just book a telephone appt, on the day if necessary.

thanksicloud · 11/11/2024 09:19

Mirabai · 11/11/2024 09:19

If they’re still registered with the old surgery they can just book a telephone appt, on the day if necessary.

exactly

KievLoverTwo · 11/11/2024 09:30

thanksicloud · 11/11/2024 09:17

when i say all over mumsnet

i mean hundreds of posts about the OP’s current experience of buying and completion

Crickey, learn to pay attention at the back! That'll be the three house purchases that FELL THROUGH and what I learned along the way and what I have been told by various legal people and brokers and suchlike.

OP posts:
Pluvia · 11/11/2024 09:34

Justnobabe · 11/11/2024 08:35

You’ve just made everything so much more stressful than it needed to be by planning to do a huge round trip over multiple journeys back & forth. Unnecessarily stressful even if your OH hadn’t got ill.

You knew the new house was a lot smaller. A removals firm could have moved all your stuff in one or two days when you moved out. Some to the new house, some to a storage facility and some to be destroyed/recycled.

Nothing you can do about it now but maybe useful to reflect for next time you move. Especially as you have ME so your partner & you need to organise things to be as stress free as possible next time even if that option costs more money.

This, in spades.

Justnobabe · 11/11/2024 09:35

thanksicloud · 11/11/2024 09:17

when i say all over mumsnet

i mean hundreds of posts about the OP’s current experience of buying and completion

Provide a link to one then

KievLoverTwo · 11/11/2024 09:36

thanksicloud · 11/11/2024 08:57

you said very similar symptoms back in september that lasted a month
you did squat all to address for a month

he is reliant on someone keeping him awake at the wheel of a car and yet STILL you / he havent been bothered to register at gp and book surgery.

You could have called i. one of those ten hour car journeys

telling

Oh for goodness sake, what is wrong with people?

His illness had crossover symptoms with a lot of other things and we always thought it was going to go away. And then it did. Completely.

We spent two months on the road looking for a rental after our last house purchase went through.

Most of the time, there is no phone signal BECAUSE OF MOUNTAINS.

Our old GP surgery is 430 miles away.

He got better.

I'm done with this thread for now, I need to get on with stuff.

You should all be proud in how it's become an extreme exercise in nitpicking rather than actually helping though - standard mumsnet 90% of the time.

Thanks for those who have provided some genuinely useful ideas I was unaware of if physically incapacitated this week - they've really helped (even if that help is: less panic)

hands out lollipops

OP posts:
Mirabai · 11/11/2024 09:41

On the plus side you’ll know what to do next time.

potatocakesinprogress · 11/11/2024 09:54

3-4k?! Where are you moving from, the White House?

thanksicloud · 11/11/2024 10:12

KievLoverTwo · 11/11/2024 09:30

Crickey, learn to pay attention at the back! That'll be the three house purchases that FELL THROUGH and what I learned along the way and what I have been told by various legal people and brokers and suchlike.

but this is a purchased property isn’t it? not a rental that you’re moving to. Certainly seems to be the case from dozens of very recent ones

either way op

having to keep your partner awake, blacking out a possibility, weeks of debilitating symptoms… but “no time” to register… says it all really as to why you’re in this position

thanksicloud · 11/11/2024 10:12

KievLoverTwo · 11/11/2024 09:36

Oh for goodness sake, what is wrong with people?

His illness had crossover symptoms with a lot of other things and we always thought it was going to go away. And then it did. Completely.

We spent two months on the road looking for a rental after our last house purchase went through.

Most of the time, there is no phone signal BECAUSE OF MOUNTAINS.

Our old GP surgery is 430 miles away.

He got better.

I'm done with this thread for now, I need to get on with stuff.

You should all be proud in how it's become an extreme exercise in nitpicking rather than actually helping though - standard mumsnet 90% of the time.

Thanks for those who have provided some genuinely useful ideas I was unaware of if physically incapacitated this week - they've really helped (even if that help is: less panic)

hands out lollipops

Edited

Your poor landlord

thanksicloud · 11/11/2024 10:15

**Most of the time, there is no phone signal BECAUSE OF MOUNTAINS.
**

sensible place to move to when you have a serious disability and don’t drive and reliant on your partner, who himself seems to be very ill and at risk of not being able to drive

thanksicloud · 11/11/2024 10:15

hands out lollipops

thank you

loropianalover · 11/11/2024 10:25

OP you type like you’re trying to hit the word count on a uni essay! So many words saying absolutely nothing.

2 ill/incapacitated adults, one with no license and one potentially ‘blacking out’ at the wheel, how was this ever going to work? Any normal person would have just foot the cost for a moving company and had this done weeks ago. And to then think you can just ‘pay another months rent’ and wonder can you get 2 weeks of it back if you clear out the house early!!

WeightLossGoal2024 · 12/11/2024 23:01

No, he hasn’t blacked out, but I have had to make concerted efforts to keep him awake after 2 hours of driving - then the trip takes double the time.

This is not safe!

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