Could any police help with this?

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When a bail condition states 'no contact with the children, except via a solicitor, , does that include phone contact?

It seems a really grey area, so I'd appreciate any views

It means no contact at all.

Of course it does.

No contact means no contact, whether in person, by letter, email, phone call, carrier pigeon, or any 3rd party (other than solicitor, as specified)

Thanks, I thought so too. Seems he's been ringing them while they're on holiday this week with his mum. Will inform police as my daughter has told me he has called them a few times.

It’s not a grey area at all.
No contact means no contact by any means whatsoever. In person, by phone, via another person (except the solicitor) or through any form of social media - all of these are forbidden

It's usually worded as "no contact directly or indirectly" and will often involve an explanation to the person that it includes by any method. If it's just police bail then they can only really do anything if they are in a position to charge. If court bail they should arrest and remand to the next available court, within 24 hours of arrest.

It's police bail unfortunately

Yep, absolutely no contact - email, phone, in person, using flying monkeys or carrier pigeons. Only via the solicitor.

He's breaching his bail conditions.

Can you get your DD to screenshot her call history to show the calls coming from or going to him?

@ButtSurgery I have a text message from her stating

Yes you definitely need to report it. It’s poorly worded, generally it’s described as no contact, either directly, indirectly or via third party.

It's not grey

No contact is just that. No contact.

Definitely report it.

It felt grey to me, as I thought it meant only for me, but obviously in a traumatic situation, everything is massively confusing. I will report and see what the police say.

Sorry you are going through this OP.

Report it. Police may be able to get the charge through and remand to court.

Depending what crime he is on bail for, breach of bail will warrant a further crime of harassment to be recorded.
If the bail relates to harassment then this is a continuation.
Contact 101 and ask they have the original officer contact you or arrange an appointment.

@Ohyay this is common assualt / ABH happened early hours sat morning , bailed Monday night after arrest. Contacted children on 2 occasions as far as I know. Have evidence of one of those.

Sorry to hear that.
Keep any evidence. Contact 101 and explain he has bail conditions not to contact you / children etc and he has breached those.

Take care lovely