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Dd's dads name on birth certificate not same as his passport

21 replies

MariontheSteamShovel · 24/06/2024 06:02

Hi
I'm NC with him due to DV, non-mol.
The name he gave when we registered her birth isn't his name. His first name is correct but his surname is different to his passport. This differing surname forms part of my daughter's double barreled surname.
She has a lot of issues so he needs to be contacted regarding meetings etc. Although school stopped contacting him for the most part after he threatened the schools family support worker.
I wanted to know if the was any consequences for having not his real name?

Thanks very much

OP posts:
DustyLee123 · 24/06/2024 06:45

No, you can name your child whatever you like, within reason.

MariontheSteamShovel · 25/06/2024 18:15

DustyLee123 · 24/06/2024 06:45

No, you can name your child whatever you like, within reason.

Thank you, sorry I probably didn't make it clear, she is named that's not the problem I just wanted to know if he still has parental responsibility if he has given a name that's not his name o on his passport

OP posts:
ForFirmBiscuit · 25/06/2024 18:16

MariontheSteamShovel · 25/06/2024 18:15

Thank you, sorry I probably didn't make it clear, she is named that's not the problem I just wanted to know if he still has parental responsibility if he has given a name that's not his name o on his passport

Yes he has parental responsibility unless it’s removed by the court

Proseccoh · 25/06/2024 18:19

I know this may not be what you're asking, but the name on his birth certificate is his name. If it's different on his passport then he ought to change his name by deed poll. I believe...

Beautifulbythebay · 25/06/2024 18:21

Maybe consider why he uses a different name. Did you know he did? .. Have you Googled his original name?

soupfiend · 25/06/2024 18:28

ForFirmBiscuit · 25/06/2024 18:16

Yes he has parental responsibility unless it’s removed by the court

That depends doesnt it. Is the name on the child's birth cert for her father, his actual name?

OP is his name on his own birth cert the same as his name on her birth cert?

I would assume not if he has a passport in a different name. Unless he has since changed his name by deed poll between the registration of his daughter and the application for his passport.

MadeForThis · 25/06/2024 18:30

Does he now legally use the name on the birth certificate?

GreigeO · 25/06/2024 18:31

Presumably the OP is hoping she can withdraw parental responsibility?

Notquitegrownup2 · 25/06/2024 18:58

Well a quick Google says that you can be prosecuted for giving false information on a passport information, but it may not be that simple. Some cultures use the maternal surname as an alternative surname so he may be able to argue that he used one of his surnames . . .
It may also make it difficult for him to take her abroad, if her passport has a different surname . . .

RawBloomers · 27/06/2024 06:30

I was under the impression that, despite the requirement by many agencies for documentation to show identity and to get records changed, the thing that legally makes a name your name is that you use it as your name. So if he was known by Surname2 at the time he went on the birth certificate then using that name wouldn’t be fraudulent. And presumably, OP, you knew him by the name he put on your DC’s birth certificate?

If he stops using Surname2 and reverts to Surname1 and there is no documentary evidence, he may have difficulty at a later date proving that he is the same person as Surname2. But that doesn’t make the use of the name wrong, just awkward. Nor would it mean that because he then uses a different name any rights or responsibilities he acquired under Surname2 just disappear - they still exist but, again, it may be difficult to prove that to a third party.

Aussieland · 27/06/2024 06:32

Proseccoh · 25/06/2024 18:19

I know this may not be what you're asking, but the name on his birth certificate is his name. If it's different on his passport then he ought to change his name by deed poll. I believe...

It’s the dad’s name that is different on BC and passport. So now a random name which does not belong to the father is on the BC. So the dad cannot claim parental responsibility because HIS name is not on the BC

Soontobe60 · 27/06/2024 06:43

What documents did he provide when registering the birth? If the names differ, it could be the registrar at fault here. They literally use the name on the documents provided as proof of identity when completing a birth certificate.

MariontheSteamShovel · 24/12/2024 18:58

Sorry I wasn't clear, the name he put for him on her birth certificate is not the same as his name on his birth certificate, different surname

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Youcancallmeirrelevant · 24/12/2024 19:00

Crikey the number of posters who don't read the OP. I would ask a lawyer as his name is as per his passport, if he used a different name on the birth certificate that is weird.

Another2Cats · 24/12/2024 20:12

"I wanted to know if the was any consequences for having not his real name?"

But what exactly do you mean by "real" name?

Was this the name he was using while you were in a relationship with him?

If that is the case (unless he's an undercover police officer or MI5 agent etc - and that's not a joke, they did get involved with women they were investigating) then that is likely not going to go anywhere if you want to get his parental responsibility removed.

If you were to try to do that then he would just need to do a DNA test to show that he was the father.

@Youcancallmeirrelevant

"... if he used a different name on the birth certificate that is weird."

Not really, it's common place for married women who take their husband's name to do that.

Why would a man do that though?

One reason may be because he has a criminal record under his old name.

Many companies refuse to employ people with any sort of criminal record at all. For example, if you wish to work for Amazon in one of their fulfillment centres (these are the people who pick and pack the stuff you've ordered) then you'll never get a permanent job with them if you have a criminal record of any sort.

Just as an aside, the basic wage at Amazon is £13.50 per hour or £26,325 for a typical 37.5 week. So, if you have a criminal conviction it can be a problem getting a job paying £26k a year.

[EDIT]

That is, until the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act kicks in when people are no longer required to disclose their convictions

soupfiend · 24/12/2024 20:17

Did he change his name by deed poll at some point

MariontheSteamShovel · 25/12/2024 22:29

Another reason I wanted to know was that he hasn't ever paid CS he doesn't pay tax out claim benefits so they can't get to him that way, been going on for years. I just wondered if he could look at the application, then say "that's not me named there, I've got a different surname"
His passport and birth certificate match he just gave a different surname when registering DDs both. We're NC due to DV, Non mols etc... has contact with DD not me.

OP posts:
MariontheSteamShovel · 25/12/2024 22:31

Apologies for any spelling etc I've got FND and my eyesight and tremor are planning up

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Annony331 · 25/12/2024 22:45

My passport name is different to the name on both of my daughters birth certificates. Perfectly legal.

My enhanced DBS contains both names with one being a " known as"
These have been renewed many times with different Councils.

Xenia · 26/12/2024 09:13

I doubt it will affect his obligation to pay for the child. However it would make sense to have the birth certificate corrected to his correct name just as you can do if someone makes a typo on the original birth cert I believe.

Another2Cats · 26/12/2024 20:00

Xenia · 26/12/2024 09:13

I doubt it will affect his obligation to pay for the child. However it would make sense to have the birth certificate corrected to his correct name just as you can do if someone makes a typo on the original birth cert I believe.

My understanding is that you can do neither of those things

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