Dont move to NZ

[TheLimeEagle]

If you ever come here to explore NZ as a place to live with your partner with the intention of living here and even if you are pregnant, NZ will not let you leave without your child parents consent, even if the other parent is abusive , not even in NZ or even from NZ.

Sorry that you are in this situation

There are many countries where this is the case, when you move overseas you have to be aware of the law and the implications it could have for you

yup no one knows until it happens to them but the issue with NZ is it is so isolated from the rest of the world on a different time zone and expensive to get to and hugely expensive to survive in.

Yes lots of countries are like this. Unfortunately you have to understand the countries rules when visiting particularly when you have a child to think about.

The UK has the EXACT same law. No parent is legally allowed to move their kids out of the country without the express permission of all those holding PR. Or a court order.

I've worked in magistrates court and seen this happen to UK families, even with findings of abuse. Horrendous.

The UK has the EXACT same law

As do many other countries.

Sadly, some parents do abduct their own children. There are many cases every year where a parent takes their child out of their home country purely to deny contact with the other parent. This led to the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction. Over half the countries in the world are signed up to this convention. The vast majority have similar rules, preventing one parent taking their child out of the country without either the consent of the other parent or an appropriate court order.

Judges are, of course, human so will sometimes get it wrong. They will refuse permission that should be granted or grant permission that should be refused. But the alternative is to return to a situation where parents who have done nothing wrong find that their ex removes their child from the country to prevent contact.

Everywhere is like this if it's a Hague convention country. It's the risk you take moving anywhere and then having kids, or moving with kids.

This is in the majority of countries there are specific international law to ensure children are kept in their birth jurisdiction.

I can't fathom people not investigating these things when they conceive. Be very grateful it isn't another country like Egypt where men can legally separate the mother from their children.

@TheLimeEagle The replies on your post are incorrect. The Hague convention does not cover women who are pregnant. Once you have given birth you would not be able to leave without a Court order.

I do not know NZ law but you could just get on a plane to wherever you are from, (subject to pregnancy travel restrictions, usually 37 weeks). Under the Hague Convention the child will fall within the jurisdiction of the country they are born in, and an application from NZ to your home country court would fail.

So if you can go home.

@TheLimeEagle Can you please just confirm this as a number of posters here might be a bit confused.

Do you really mean to say that NZ has prevented a pregnant woman leaving the country because the presumed father objects?

Once the baby has been born then, yes, it's up to the court. But while you're pregnant? Really?

I'm sorry, but I frankly do not believe that NZ would stop a woman leaving the country simply because she was pregnant and the man claiming to be the father objected.

Or do you mean that you already have a child with this guy and you are pregnant with a second child? In that case, yes, I quite understand why you must go to court about where your first child lives.

Good point another2cats, that is the most common way of becoming trapped, in my experience working in DV with foreign nationals.

Hold on, what if, lets say women is in the UK (or NZ) illegally, has baby with local bloke. Could women then be deported and separated from her baby?

Yes that is a real risk although Rights for Women help in such circumstances, a human rights application. (Right to family life)

It is a whole shit show, women young children, not in country of origin, experiencing DV.

Are you ok?
Plenty of countries are expensive to live in and are on different time zones
Plentry of countries require permission from both parents to take a child out of the country
At least NZ has a vibrant culture, friendly people, very few people relatively, and stunnung countryside
So GO to NZ

As I understand most other countries have this law but not always enforced
NZ is very good at enforcing the law when I was living in nz a woman from Australia couldn’t return to her home country because the father objected to the child being taken

Wow, so many angry points that also apply to other countries.
France is in a different time zone
Iceland is in a different time zone and expensive
Many countries require parental permission to take a child on holiday, let alone permanently out of the country
Australia, Tasmania, Antartica, the Falkland Islands, etc, are all a lonv way from other places
Stop picking on NZ!

I’m sorry you are going through this and I hope lots of women read your warning and take it seriously. The main message all young women should be given before leaving their home country is - having children away from your support networks of immediate family, home country and long term friends, is extremely dangerous and not advisable. Even immigrating with a man to another country if you intend to or already have children is a huge risk for women and makes you very vulnerable to abuse and coercive control if your relationship falls apart. You will not be able to go back to your family because you will not be able to take the children. If you get sick, NZ healthcare is very basic and social security is below the poverty level. The OP is right. NZ is really only great for the rich and/or well connected who have family networks to support them if things go wrong. Evaluate your relationship with your partner extremely carefully before you come here if children are involved. That goes for any country but NZ is particularly dangerous for women because it’s so very far away and so difficult and expensive for loved ones to visit and help you if you need it.