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Executor probate issues

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NeedToKnow101 · 18/05/2024 11:36

Is it ever possible legally for a bank account to be gifted to a beneficiary outside of the Will?

The deceased was the sole account holder, the beneficiary had POA.

The Will was rewritten fairly recently, with no mention of specific gifts, just % shares of Estate to be shared between beneficiaries.

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nothingsforgotten · 19/05/2024 10:25

NeedToKnow101 · 19/05/2024 06:54

@nothingsforgotten - or if she didn't tell the bank? It is definitely not a shared account.

Well if they didn't tell the bank then I think they will be in a world of trouble. You can't just carry on using a bank account once someone dies. Your friend needs to talk to either the bank, or the solicitor about this.

TraitorsGate · 19/05/2024 10:56

NeedToKnow101 · 18/05/2024 12:01

The claim is the whole account was gifted to her. There is also a transfer of a few grand made to her (from my deceased relative after she had died), from that same account.

Are you involved with the deceased, were they a relative of yours and this is another beneficiary you are talking about or are you a friend of a beneficiary,.

NeedToKnow101 · 19/05/2024 12:16

@TraitorsGate - no, I meant to the the deceased. My friend is their relative. The person who is claiming the verbal gift of the bank account (with 30k in it) is another relative, who had POA and is now the executor.

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NeedToKnow101 · 19/05/2024 12:24

@nothingsforgotten - I think in some circumstances a bank will let the executor access the account? My friend can ask the solicitor/bank about this though.

The main issue that this person is saying that all this money is hers, not part of the Estate. Anyway I my friend will get a solicitor involved now.

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TraitorsGate · 19/05/2024 12:51

There is no way they would have verbally handed over a bank account without the banks permission. Your friend, is she a relative of the deceased, must speak to the bank, her own solicitor, the office of the public guardian and also check with the dwp that the death was registered, they could still be paying in benefits if they weren't all informed. Your friend needs to take ID, get a copy of the death certificate if they can and a copy of the Will.

greenbeansrock · 19/05/2024 15:56

i suspect there is much more to the op that you seem aren’t privy to

greenbeansrock · 19/05/2024 15:57

NeedToKnow101 · 19/05/2024 12:16

@TraitorsGate - no, I meant to the the deceased. My friend is their relative. The person who is claiming the verbal gift of the bank account (with 30k in it) is another relative, who had POA and is now the executor.

the deceased obviously was very close to this person and had enormous trust in them

Watchkeys · 19/05/2024 16:46

GimmeGin · 18/05/2024 22:57

@NeedToKnow101 Sounds like the bank aren’t actually aware that the person has died.

The POA ceases on death, so if this person had POA access to the account prior to death, this should have ceased and the account frozen.

Banks will release quite a lot of money to the executor of the will prior to probate being granted. I know this because it happened to me. I nearly fell off my chair.

ShanghaiDiva · 19/05/2024 16:57

Power of attorney ends on death and the executor should have advised the bank to freeze the account.
The executor cannot access the bank account. Banks will pay the funeral expenses from the frozen account, but to the funeral director, not by reimbursing the executor. Some banks will release funds to the executor prior to the grant of probate but it depends on the bank’s policy and the amount in the account. My mum’s bank released the funds to me on production of death certificate and my identification and the will.

littlebox · 20/05/2024 20:07

"This is definitely what it sounds like. But it's weird as a solicitor is doing probate so you would think they would have told her she couldn't do this."

The thing is you don't know for sure that the solicitor has said that this is ok, or even knows about it. You only have the other person's word for that. Has your friend actually spoken to the probate solicitor themselves about this?

Spirallingdownwards · 20/05/2024 20:11

Your story appears to have changed from it being given to her to her now using it for funeral and other estate expenses. As Execuotr she can use it for those including continuing to pay expenses of any property the Testator owned.

paprikaforever · 21/05/2024 08:34

greenbeansrock · 19/05/2024 15:56

i suspect there is much more to the op that you seem aren’t privy to

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