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Renault: nightmare dealer and Renault HQ no help: legal rights?

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Abeona · 07/05/2024 12:14

Sorry this is so long. I wanted to avoid drip-feeding.

In 2020, a week before lockdown was declared, I bought a van — an ex-demonstrater — from Renault. It was first registered in 2019 and had 500 miles on the clock. The handover was very basic: masks, keeping a distance. I'd never had a Renault before and this one had AdBlue technology. I was told I should get at least a year or two of driving out of the van before I needed to worry about adding more AdBlue fluid.

A couple of months later, in the thick of lockdown, while I was 140 miles from home delivering a component for a job I was involved in, the AdBlue warning light started flashing on the van. I'd done 1,100 miles: there were 1,600 miles on the clock in total. I phoned Renault for advice and was told I needed to add the AdBlue. I didn't have any: I thought there was another 20k+ to go before I needed to do that. In the passenger door pocket there was a blue fabric bag containing a bottle of fluid. I was, I admit, in a flat panic. I assumed that this was the AdBlue I needed and poured it into the AdBlue tank, by the side of the road, in the dark.

It turned out that that wasn't AdBlue, it was oil. I felt like the most stupid idiot in the universe. I had to get the van low-loaded back to my Renault dealer where they had to replace the entire AdBlue tank, pump and so on. It cost £1500+ for the repairs. I felt so embarrassed about what I'd done that I didn't think to ask why the AdBlue tank had run out of fluid at 1,600 miles. I just absorbed the hit and tried to forget. Of course now that I'm wondering if they'd ever put any AdBlue in the tank in the first place.

Two weeks ago, with only 15,000 miles on the clock, (13.5k after the tank, pump and AdBlue had all been replaced) the AdBlue light came on again. I called the dealer in my area. They said it would be two weeks before they could diagnose the issue. I use my van most days: it's my only vehicle and my work depends on it. They refused to squeeze me in to carry out diagnostics. So after a couple of days I took the van to a well-established independent van specialist where Renault sends the excess work it can't deal with. By the end of the day they had diagnosed pump failure in the AdBlue tank/pump that had been replaced in 2020. I called the CAB who told me that although the part may be out of its guarantee period, they would advise I had a good case under the Supply of Goods and Services Act. They said that the parts fitted in 2020 would not be regarded as fit for purpose if they had failed after only 13,500 miles.

Armed with this information I went back to both the dealer and to Renault's central customer service. My dealer said they would need to carry out their own diagnostics and I'll have to wait another two weeks. They will not supply a replacement vehicle in the meantime, nor can they squeeze the van in for the hour required to diagnose the issue. Renault HQ are basically saying the same, with minor variations. The woman there seems to want to assist but says the local dealerships are a law to themselves. I am now on day 6 of corresponding/ phoning and trying to negotiate with them. I'm spending around 4 hours each day going round the houses, waiting for calls that never come and decisions that no one makes. I've documented every call and saved every email. I'm doing the old broken record technique and refusing to accept that they can't help me more. swiftly. I get the impression that a decision has been taken to block me at every turn in order to force me to wait and then pay for repairs (we seem to be talking £1800-2000 this time round).

I've checked my insurance, including my AA cover, my business cover and my motoring insurance, and nothing seems to offer support for a replacement vehicle to tide me over, or legal insurance to take this on. I've just been holding on for almost an hour for a CAB advisor but have had to take another call.

Can anyone offer any advice? I've always had VWs before now and a) I never had a breakdown and b) if there were any queries/ issues the dealership sorted them out very quickly and pleasantly. Is Renault always this bad?

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CelesteCunningham · 07/05/2024 12:35

I'm no expert OP, but I wouldn't have thought there would be any expectation that they should provide you with a replacement vehicle while yours is repaired unless there's something in a warranty or other contract that says they will. I think you will have to suck that up.

As for the repair itself, I had a different but similar issue with a different manufacturer - a repair was done under warranty that then failed very quickly but after the warranty expired. The manufacturer said we were liable for the fix, we said that the original repair clearly hadn't been sufficient if it had failed again so quickly.

Our best option was to go to the Ombudsman, but that's a lengthy process. We wrote an email to the CEO, which ended up in the team that could actually sign off on the repair and so it was sorted without going to the Ombudsman.

I had a couple of useful calls with the Ombudsman as part of the process (it took a long time to get sorted). They can't advise on individual cases over the phone but were still able to give me useful general information. I'd advise phoning them and then looking up the Renault UK CEO (/MD/whatever the title is) and sending an email with the details.

Good luck!

Abeona · 07/05/2024 12:43

I emailed Renault's CEO at the end of last week. Obviously the Bank Holiday didn't help things.

Perhaps my VW dealer was particularly good, but being a business customer (I had several vans for my business over the years) they used to offer me a temporary runaround if ever one of mine was off the road for more than 24 hours.

I can't believe how spectacularly shit Renault are. Will certainly be advising all the trades I work with never to touch them. The dealer's staff pick up the phone with a 'WTF do you want?' attitude and it goes downhill from there. I'm not a shouter, by the way: I just calmly hold my line.

Looks like it may end up in Small Claims Court in a few months. I look forward to having my say in front of a judge.

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CelesteCunningham · 07/05/2024 12:47

The CEO email may come through, at any rate I'd expect a reply.

I'd give the Ombudsman a call (unless they don't help business customers). It might be useful.

Abeona · 07/05/2024 13:15

Thanks. I suspect the dealer is in a panic because this has drawn attention to the fact that the van was supplied to me without having been filled with AdBlue, which raises a lot of awkward questions. I have it in writing from Renault Customer Service that when I purchased the van in 2020 I could reasonably have expected to drive 30,000 miles before having to top the AdBlue up. So I should never have been in a situation where the AdBlue light was flashing with only 1600 miles on the clock.

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Shade17 · 08/05/2024 21:04

I suspect that the only way you’re going to get anywhere near a resolution is by having it fixed and taking them to the small claims court, even then you may not be successful. It may be better for you to be back on the road as quickly as possible anyway and making money.

chocolateisavegetable · 08/05/2024 21:21

Have you contacted Trading Standards as they were helpful when we had a car issue

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