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Illegitimate adult child claim on inheritance

178 replies

RelativePitch · 11/04/2024 17:09

My dad had an affair in his first marriage about 60 years ago. A child was born and the mother was paid off by my grandfather (around £250k in today's money). My father had nothing to do with this child and never met him.
My father died last year with a will whereby everything goes to my mother, but his properties go into trust for his 5 children.
My mother's solicitor rang to say that an anonymous woman rang up to say that she was going to make a claim on the estate on behalf of her son. No detail other than that. The Solicitor wouldn't commit to how worried we should be.
I understand that minors should be able to claim against an estate, but a 60 year old man?
Of course it could be another child we don't know about, but as my dad had a vasectomy in 1984, the youngest a child could be is 40.
My dad makes Boris Johnson look like the paragon of virtue!
How worried should we be?

OP posts:
LenaLamont · 12/04/2024 11:28

@RelativePitch this is all marvellously Catherine Cookson. I predict you’ll recognise your older half-brother immediately by the distinctive streak of white hair you both have.

Any money you share with him will go to his therapy for believing his mum was his older sister for many years - and of course that miracle medical procedure that will save his elderly mother’s eyesight / consumption / insert melodramatic ailment.

(I may have read too many of my mum’s book collection as a teen. I apologise)

prh47bridge · 12/04/2024 11:29

Elektra1 · 12/04/2024 09:34

There is some misinformation on this thread. There is no automatic right for a child to inherit under English law. In certain circumstances, under the Inheritance (Provision for Family and Dependants) Act 1979, a child (or other dependant) may successfully claim on the deceased's estate. The relevant circumstance in this instance would be that the adult child could show that the deceased was providing financially for him in his lifetime (so he had a reasonable expectation that that provision would continue). Since it would be quite unusual for a parent to still be providing financially for a 60 year old child, it seems unlikely that such a claim would succeed in this instance.

Also, the mother of the adult child would not be able to bring this claim on his behalf, unless the child himself lacks mental capacity. The mother would have no legal standing to bring the claim otherwise.

I'd wait to see what claim (if any) actually emerges, and then take advice from a solicitor specialising in contentious probate.

No, it is not necessary for an adult child to show they were financially dependent on the parent. The courts will sometimes award something to the child if they are in serious financial difficulties. See Ilott vs The Blue Cross and others. Mrs Ilott's mother had made no provision for her in her will as they had been estranged for 26 years. Mrs Ilott was clearly not financially dependent on her mother. The courts nonetheless decided to award her £50,000 from her mother's estate due to Mrs Ilott's circumstances.

TheSnowyOwl · 12/04/2024 11:31

Baileyqueen · 11/04/2024 18:40

Neither your father or this ‘child’ made any attempt to have a relationship with each other for the last 60 years. I’d find ‘creeping out of the wood work’ now that there may be money to inherit extremely distasteful. Deny all knowledge. Your dad probably won’t even be on the birth certificate.

Who knows whether they had a relationship or not? Presumably the family didn’t know about the affair at the time either.

2024please · 12/04/2024 11:46

@Librarybooker
The main thing re wills is to get proper advice. That advice will usually tell you that surviving spouse - where there are no previous marriages - get everything and then everything left after the surviving parent dies goes to children equally.

Your post reads like it's a given that everything goes to the surviving spouse and that is simply not true unless the deceased dies intestate and then it depends on the value - think the surviving spouse would inherit the first £320K or £350K (haven't checked the figures).

When a married couple make a Will, they can leave their estate to whomever they choose, unless their property/house and bank accounts are owned as 'joint tenants' because then the property/house & bank accounts WOULD pass to the surviving spouse.

getsomehelp · 12/04/2024 11:59

I suppose if the payout was worth today's £250K, it could be argued that the money was already received, by the Mother, it will have improved their lives immensely.

Gwenhwyfar · 12/04/2024 12:36

Kendodd · 11/04/2024 20:35

Why are so many posters so keen for this 'child' or any others that there might be to get nothing? The OP and her siblings will never be able to put this historical wrong, of a man getting a 16 year old child pregnant, and then walking away with out a care, right. Sharing out any inheritance between ALL her dads children, does go someway to acknowledging a terrible wrong was done though.

Yes, there are some nasty people on this thread.

BeagleMum2024 · 12/04/2024 12:43

Your father was a dirty old dog and the chickens are now coming home to roost. Perhaps there can be a happy ending to this? You get to potentially build a relationship with your estranged sibling?

Gwenhwyfar · 12/04/2024 13:07

"You can disinherit your children - that's the whole point of a will to state who you want it to go to otherwise he'd have left it to intestacy laws to take hold."

Well, no, people still make wills in legal systems where you cannot disinherit your children.

Gwenhwyfar · 12/04/2024 13:10

Rhinohides · 11/04/2024 22:33

As far as morality goes, is it not moral that your father has the right to leave the wealth he spent his life accumulating to the people he chose? This is the basis on which a wife or child can inherit nothing. As your father had nothing to do with this progeny I do not see why the child has any claim on the estate. For all we know he may have been raised by another man and inherited handsomely from him. Morally, should this child potentially inherit twice?
Feeling very like Mrs Dashwood now.
In fact, all of this speculation over wills is taking to a bygone era. VERY grateful I did not live then, when my future would have depended upon the whims of a male and other relatives rather than my own hard graft

We haven't been told that OP's DF acquired all his wealth himself. We know that the grandparents were also wealthy.
As for whom he chooses, yes, he can choose to leave his money to his legitimate children and not the illegitimate ones, but it's not very nice.

Geebray · 12/04/2024 13:33

RelativePitch · 12/04/2024 09:48

All we can do is wait and see. This lady and her son obviously haven't seen a copy of the will and won't until probate is granted which is probably another year away. She can then apply for a copy of the will and go to a solicitor who will advise her then. She then has 6 months after grant of probate to act. There is part of me that is worried that she'll be put off pursuing it and then we will never know who it was and I'd really like to know! Obviously if it's the 60 year old child we now know exists then I could probably find him if my half brother coughs up the information, but if it's someone else, then we will always be in the dark.

You could ask the solicitors to pass a letter on to her/him.

Gwenhwyfar · 12/04/2024 13:44

getsomehelp · 12/04/2024 11:59

I suppose if the payout was worth today's £250K, it could be argued that the money was already received, by the Mother, it will have improved their lives immensely.

Maybe, but the other children may have been financially supported by their father and then also receiving 200k each so it would still not be fair.

RelativePitch · 12/04/2024 17:16

Baileyqueen · 11/04/2024 19:20

She was but as this adult child must be 60 years old by now, there has been plenty of opportunity for attempted contact over the years . That neither party bothered in all that time and now a random woman (? His mother) has suddenly contacted the solicitor. How did she even know which solicitor to get in touch with, how did she know he had died unless they live close by, have mutual contacts etc. Which would then make it even stranger that there has been zero contact in all these years. Of course, his father offering 250k for her to ‘disappear’ is awful but … she didn’t have to take the money!

My dad was quite famous in his professional field. So whilst we didn't publish his funeral, the institutions he was affiliated to, posted in memoriams online. So if they have been googling his name from time to time, his passing will have become evident to them. When grant of probate is going through, the person's death has to be posted for a couple of months on a public notice portal in case there are creditors etc..the solicitors' details are on that notice, do it would have been pretty easy to find I guess.

OP posts:
isitbananatimealready · 12/04/2024 17:22

Whatevershallidowithmylife · 11/04/2024 17:12

Unless he was adopted he has a right to inherit as I understand it, and why not.

Nobody has a right to inherit anything under English law if they are not named in the will.

MidnightPatrol · 12/04/2024 17:37

I find it strange that people think he should get some money as a ‘payback’ of some sort for his dad not being part of his life.

OP the biggest worry is probably wasting money on legal fees. However, I wouldn’t worry too much about it until you hear from their lawyer - they may find that they are told it’s not realistic and so not bother.

SpringLobelia · 12/04/2024 17:46

TBH I think your inkling that it may not be the son you have heard about and might be any number of other as yet unknown offspring might well be right.

I'm sorry your father was such a person.

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 12/04/2024 17:55

Given everything else your father has done, are you so sure he definitely had a vasectomy, and/or never had it reversed?

Given it's a mother making a claim, I do wonder if there's a child under 18 involved, perhaps one where your father was discretely paying maintenance?

I think, if at all possible, you should try to find out a few more details about the people involved- presumably your solicitor knows who they've had a letter from?

It does all sound very difficult for everyone involved.

RelativePitch · 12/04/2024 19:17

@Postapocalypticcowgirl No he proudly showed off his stitches to my mum when he was married to his third wife. She almost threw up. Just flashed her in the kitchen when he'd come to pick us up for his allotted time. He did not want any more children, didn't want the school fees etc..we haven't found any weird regular payments in any of his bank statements going back 15 years. There was no letter, just a phone call to the solicitor from a woman who wouldn't give her name and simply stated she would be making a claim against the estate on behalf of her son.
It will be a child between the ages of 40 and 62.
@SpringLobelia a few people over the years have said the exact same to me. It's very sad to have a parent like that.

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tealgate · 12/04/2024 19:29

If there is documentation evidencing the gift of £250k equivalent at the time, it will probably state 'in full and final settlement' which may negate the claim. Unless it's some other random baby Smile

smellslikecinnamon · 12/04/2024 19:36

MidnightPatrol · 12/04/2024 17:37

I find it strange that people think he should get some money as a ‘payback’ of some sort for his dad not being part of his life.

OP the biggest worry is probably wasting money on legal fees. However, I wouldn’t worry too much about it until you hear from their lawyer - they may find that they are told it’s not realistic and so not bother.

If the man was as much of a rogue as he sounds, why do you feel the offspring that happen to be from the last union is more deserving than any other offspring?

CormorantStrikesBack · 12/04/2024 19:49

RelativePitch · 11/04/2024 17:38

@Gladespade I've already told my mum, that we shouldn't fight it too hard. As a PP said only the solicitors will win if turns onto a really long battle.

From what you’ve said i don’t think it will be a long battle. You’re not in Scotland so parents can not leave anything to their children if they choose. My mother left over half a million to random neighbours and nothing to me, totally her choice. But I know if I’d tried to fight it I wouldn’t have a chance.

This half sibling has even less chance because they had no relationship (apart from biological ) with their dad and also your mother is still alive…..it’s perfectly normal for a spouse to inherit first. Think of all the kids from first marriages where the biology parent dies first, leave their money to their new spouse who has promised to leave it to kids from both sides when they die but then change their will and only leave money to their kids not the step kids. Happens a lot.

MidnightPatrol · 12/04/2024 20:01

smellslikecinnamon · 12/04/2024 19:36

If the man was as much of a rogue as he sounds, why do you feel the offspring that happen to be from the last union is more deserving than any other offspring?

People don’t inherit money because they are ‘deserving’.

He wrote that he wanted it to go to his kids, that’s the end of it surely.

Geebray · 12/04/2024 20:14

CormorantStrikesBack · 12/04/2024 19:49

From what you’ve said i don’t think it will be a long battle. You’re not in Scotland so parents can not leave anything to their children if they choose. My mother left over half a million to random neighbours and nothing to me, totally her choice. But I know if I’d tried to fight it I wouldn’t have a chance.

This half sibling has even less chance because they had no relationship (apart from biological ) with their dad and also your mother is still alive…..it’s perfectly normal for a spouse to inherit first. Think of all the kids from first marriages where the biology parent dies first, leave their money to their new spouse who has promised to leave it to kids from both sides when they die but then change their will and only leave money to their kids not the step kids. Happens a lot.

That is not the issue here. Property has been left in trust to (some of) the children. Nowt to do with what the (most recent) wife has inherited.

JanewaysBun · 12/04/2024 20:17

Was your mum on the property deeds? I.e. is it "only" half of 1.5 million that your dad had to bequeath or was the 1.5 his full half?

ohthejoys21 · 12/04/2024 20:39

RelativePitch · 11/04/2024 17:18

@SkaneTos oh absolutely. I'd love to meet him, but what a shame they are only reaching out now. I always knew there was a rumour about this child, but I don't even have a name.

I totally agree.. but is there a chance they tried to reach out years ago and were rejected? Not that they should be going after his money now as a mature adult.

SpringLobelia · 12/04/2024 21:03

TBH if my mother had been a 16 year old maid knocked up by a married man whose father than paid her off and I had tried to reach out over the years I'd be bloody going for it.

But it may be a completely different child because the poor OP had a bit of a shit as a dad.

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