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Conveyancing Negligence and Overpayment

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lilymoon74 · 26/02/2024 21:33

Hi
This is the first time i have written on this site and i wonder if someone could help me please?

I wish to explore whether I have a claim for negligence against our conveyancing solicitors. A direct result of a fundamental error and an assumption that they made in 2016 has seen us being held to ransom by a landowner, the loss of the sale of our house, the loss of 2 purchases and the complete breakdown of a warm relationship with the landowner which had been fostered for over 8 years. This has caused and enormous amount of stress at an already stressful time and as a direct result of their negligence and incompetence has cost us circa £11,000

Events

· Purchased our home in June 2016; conveyancer was LMC
· Extinguished RoW along farm track to our property; conveyancer who acted for us was LMC
· Purchased verges to the front of our property in 2021; conveyancer who acted for us was LMC
· House went on the market June 2023 due to us getting a divorce
· House went under offer July 2023
· Instructed LMC to act for us as they had acted when we purchased in 2016 and then again in 2018 and 2021, so it made sense as they had knowledge of the property and also assumed they would still have the file
· Notified by FM of LMC early July 2023 that the file had been destroyed
· I sent numerous emails from when we purchased, along with the deeds dropped into the office so that they had all the information they required
· LM notified us she did in fact have the file in August 2023
· My ex husband & myself both made offers on houses that were accepted. LMC were to act for us on these 2 purchases
· The sale started to go awry due to a right to water and a boundary problem that their solicitor had picked up. We were completely unaware of any such issues and were certain there were no problems as LMC had acted for us in 2016 when we purchased the property and so everything should be in order. Things, it turned out, were not in order.
· LMC had made an assumption in 2016 that the water pipes that supplied our house ran under our drive. They did not. They ran under the field owned by the landowner before they came up to our house. A water easement was now required.
· It appears no check has been carried out by LMC as to whether the landowner marked out the boundary line in accordance with the title deeds. We were not aware this should have been carried out, however the solicitors acting for both the original purchasers and the new purchaser did check this for themselves. This brought to light the fact the boundary line, as marked out by the landowner, was not in accordance with the title deeds. The landowner erected the fence, at time of our purchase, to this incorrect line. LMC did not complete due diligence to ensure the fence had in fact been erected by the landowner in accordance e with the title plan.
· 14th August I sent messages to the estate to ask if he could speak to LMC as no one from her office was picking up the phone to us.
· The agent came back to us on 15th August to say he had spoken to LMC and that she was going to speak to the original purchaser's conveyancer and went on to say that LMC thought they were being over the top regarding the water supply.
· 16th August we still had not heard from LMC
· 17th August I sent a very frustrated email to LMC and her colleague as neither of them would pick up the phone to us and we had no idea if she had spoken to the original buyer's conveyancer or not. She had not.
· We lost the sale on 30th August because of these issues that LMC’s negligence had caused.
· My ex husband lost the house he was purchasing due to not being able to exchange because of the loss of our sale
· 31st August LMC came back to us about the boundary issue for the first time, despite it being raised by the other conveyancer in mid July.
· House went back on the market with a new agent late September
· Water easement and boundary issue still not resolved
· We always had a good relationship with the landowner but LMC sent an email to him and upon his reply she sent one to us saying she “had pee’d him off”
· This resulted in a £3000 plus VAT legal bill from the landowners litigation solicitors for us to pay on the new water easement that is now required, the boundary being installed by the landowner in the wrong place and a verge and access issue that was now being claimed, despite us owing the verges and there never having been a problem with any access in the 8 years we had lived there.
· We were then told we had to pay another £1750 plus VAT from his solicitors for a water easement and another £1750 plus vat for “other issues” of which when asked, no one could tell us what these were for. We asked LMC to find out and she could not tell us. She told us we had no choice but to pay this because otherwise they would not move forward with the water easement, which was preventing the sale of our house. We were now being held to ransom and blackmailed by the landowner and his solicitors for things we had paid LMC for in our original purchase in 2016.
· I asked LMC over the phone if she didn’t think she should be paying for these fees, to which she replied no. She then offered “without prejudice” to split the water easement cost with us and she would pay 50%
· I kept asking, as did the agent, what the “other issues” were but LMC said we had undertaken to pay it and so we had to pay it whatever happened. I said that she had told us we had to pay it and that it was not unreasonable to ask what the other costs are as it is £2,100 inc the vat. I asked if she would pay this if someone asked her for this sort of money without telling her what it was for, and of course, she replied no. Why on earth, then, should we? Because she said, we had undertaken to do so. Yes! On HER advice.
· I asked what on earth could cost this much and she had the audacity to say that she had lost so much money on this transaction! The one that has cost us over £10,000 for HER negligence in 2016.
· I lost the house I was buying
· Eventually we exchanged the last week of January as the landowner’s solicitor had only just written the water easement. I asked again that the land owners solicitors must now know what the other issues are and could LMC now ask what they are for. She said as we had undertaken to pay it there was nothing she could do.
· The invoice from LMC was sent to me and my ex husband for the split of the sale proceeds. It was incorrect. Despite me explaining, it kept being incorrect. In the end I sent them a spreadsheet of what it should be, so I did their invoice for them.
· They sent the invoice but with no breakdown. I asked for the breakdown as I had no idea what it was for as it was different to the spreadsheet. They refused. I never have received a breakdown of their fees.
· The money I was due from the sale was transferred in 2 parts and I have been overpaid by nearly £16k due to their complete incompetence

The costs we incurred (inc VAT):

From Landowner’s solicitors:
£3,900
£1,050 Water easement (split 50/50 with LMC – total was £2,100)
£2,100 “Other issues”
£450 indemnity for access
(£2,100 Access issues paid by purchaser of our house)
Our Total £7500

From LMC
£1,800 aborted purchase invoice (ex husband)
£1,800 aborted purchase invoice for my house
£3,678 LMC's professional fees
Total: £7,278
(Plus fees for ex husband's second purchase)

I also have no home and am living in my ex husband's spare room; no income - i ran a business from home boarding dogs and as i now have no home, i have no income, and i have incurred losses of £8,800 as i have had to refund clients that had booked.

I have today written a letter of complaint to LMC.

My question is, can i hold on to the money until we have resolved the negligence issue as i have said i will repay it but her tone immediately changed and she said it will take her "some time" to come back and answer my points. I know the money is not mine but i feel it will focus her mind and motivate her to respond.

Can anyone help/advise?

Thank you!

OP posts:
lilymoon74 · 26/02/2024 21:35

Oh! and found this on the Law Society Page...

Copied and pasted from the Law Society They also mention that solicitors can put a "lien" on your file if you haven't paid. Can i put a lien on the solicitor until they answer my negligence claim?

Breaches

If you discover a breach of the SRA Accounts Rules, it must be corrected promptly. This includes replacing any money that is improperly withheld or withdrawn from a client account.
The duty to correct breaches rests on the person who caused the breach and on all the principals in the firm.
Missing client money must be replaced from the principals’ own resources, even if the money was misappropriated by an employee, and whether or not a claim is subsequently made on the firm’s insurance or the SRA Compensation Fund.

A client failed to pay a final invoice. I intend to issue proceedings to recover costs, but the client complained about the costs information I provided at the outset. Can I still issue proceedings?

Subject to the pre-action protocol for debt claims, you may be able to issue proceedings for recovery of the debt and deal with the complaint under your internal complaints handling procedure at the same time.
Whether this is appropriate depends on the circumstances.
If the protocol for debt claims applies to your client, you could be exposed to sanctions for non-compliance.
One of the aims of the protocol is to enable the parties to resolve the matter without the need to start court proceedings, including:

  • agreeing a reasonable repayment plan, or
  • considering using an alternative dispute resolution (ADR) procedure
If you find there are failings in respect of the costs information you provided during the retainer, there may be little point in obtaining judgment for the full amount, only to have to provide a partial refund of your fee for admitted poor service. If you feel the costs information given is adequate and the charges are fair, then your complaints handing procedure will result in a final letter that:
  • records the outcome of your investigation
  • informs the complainant of their right to refer the complaint to the Legal Ombudsman
Subject to compliance with the protocol, you may continue with your costs recovery proceedings. For further information, see the pre-action protocol for debt claims.
OP posts:
Karensalright · 26/02/2024 22:03

Honestly OP go see a solicitor way to complex for here

Rosecoffeecup · 26/02/2024 22:42

Isn't it your responsibility to check the title plan matches the physical boundaries? You'd seen the property, the conveyancer hadn't

Shroedy · 26/02/2024 23:48

A solicitors lien is a specific legal right solicitors have. You don't. Solicitors don't do site visits so it would not be negligent that they did not know where a fence was built. Whether there are questions any reasonable conveyancing solicitor should have asked that they didn't that could have picked it up is not clear from your post. You may have a case but certainly not a given and there's too much to unpick to get close to a sense of if there is a case against the solicitor.

PickledPurplePickle · 27/02/2024 01:47

Every purchase I have ever had I have been asked to confirm that the title plan agrees to the boundaries that I believe I am buying

PickledPurplePickle · 27/02/2024 01:48

You need a solicitor but I wouldn’t hold your breath

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