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Legal Ombudsman dismissed case - any next step?

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BigBlueKangaroo · 22/12/2023 09:58

I have had an issue with a relative's probate lawyer (I'm the co-executor and beneficiary, eventually sorted probate myself as it was a straightforward & low value estate when my co-executor stepped down). The law firm were never engaged to act as executor and put many early obstacles in my way, including lying to me outright on multiple occasions (e.g. that I am "not allowed " to read, view or copy the will without all named executors being present in the same office with ID despite the fact that we live in different countries i.e. they wouldn't let me see the will if I travelled to their office, and refused to make me an appointment to read it).

I complained to their managing partner who rejected my complaint. He said that, as they did eventually write an email stating how I could get the will released, after many weeks (which contradicted all their earlier communication), there was no problem. They did not dispute how they'd impeded me before that email was sent (i.e. they didn't refute or comment on my version of events of their blocking the will being read or released for weeks). They didn't reply to my request to not destroy any phone recordings.

All I asked for was an apology and a promise to do better with will release clarity/process improvements the next time around. In short, make it clearer and offer transparency about what the will release process is, and what ID is sufficient, without weeks of lying and wasting people's time.

They didn't engage further beyond that final response.

It went to the Legal Ombudsman who has just rejected it saying that the firm could have acted better, but they can't hold them to perfect service, only a reasonable one. They said the firm's service was reasonable and dismissed the case with "The relevant part of rule 5.7 here is provision a). It allows for a complaint to be
discontinued or dismissed where, “it does not have any reasonable prospects of
success”."

I'm very disappointed obviously. I genuinely believe that the firm was shocked at my dealing with the estate myself and had expected to be appointed to execute it for us i.e. they expected the elderly relative estate fees, and actively lied to me about the prerequisites needed to release a will as a result. (I've executed estates before and this one was no big deal so they were never going to get the business no matter what Kafka crap they invented to tell me.) I think sending 1 email weeks later with the "real" answer as a paper trail that the legal ombudsman has said was sufficient is... Not great.

I think this firm deals with estates in such a way that laymen can't get wills released transparently or effectively. I doubt my experience is isolated.

Are there any other levers I can pull on this? I have dates, timestamps of conversations and 1 independent witness who heard their employees telling me I can't do anything with the will unless all executors were there in person together (colleague overheard the conversation on speakerphone). But until that 1 "cover their arses" email not much in writing.

Do I resign myself to the fact I can't do anything to hold this legal firm to a better service level..? I'm planning to speak with my home insurance legal team soon.

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BigBlueKangaroo · 22/12/2023 10:03

(btw I did post details of the law firm impediments on here so some of you may remember the ridiculous situation from earlier this year, in case it sounds familiar!)

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catmg · 22/12/2023 10:06

Complain about the conduct of the solicitor personally to their regulator, solicitors regulation authority?

InflatableSanta · 22/12/2023 10:13

I totally get where you are coming from.
I think you are right, I was told a lot of firms do wills fairly cheaply in the hope of getting the probate work.

It's frustrating about the decision as I agreed with you,.the fact they eventually capitulated doesn't erase what went before.

Does the law firm have a Google review page....? I think it would be reasonable to highlight your concerns that way

BigBlueKangaroo · 22/12/2023 10:37

the fact they eventually capitulated doesn't erase what went before

This seems to be the key point for the legal ombudsman. That 1 email got them off the hook and made it transform into "reasonable" service. Despite the fact that I had, at that point, given up talking to them and had full email trails guessing at their requirements to release, stating that they were contradicting each other etc.

The unfortunate but in this is that I've checked the creds of the staff member who refused to make me an appointment to read the will with ID, she's not a lawyer, she's the lawyer's Legal Secretary according to her email sign off. There is a suggestion that a lawyer is responsible for all staff overseeing cases but I'm not sure if the SRA would intervene or be interested in this due to the complications around paper trail and it didn't just involve a lawyer lying, but also their legal secretary too

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BigBlueKangaroo · 22/12/2023 10:43

Have thought about a Google review and probably will. But I'm keen to ensure there's a formal acknowledgement of their modus operandi if I can... My main aim here is to not let them block off similar future laymen clients like this with their BS.. it would have been so much easier & less stress to just throw thousands at them to pay them to deal with the estate .. because it's so clearly what they expected to happen. I just want them to be forced to be more professional and with more integrity.

I'm so aggrieved that my elderly relatives estate was obviously just another one to leech on if they said "computer says no" enough times :(

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PencilsInSpace · 22/12/2023 11:31

I'm sorry for your loss Flowers

Unfortunately, unless you have suffered significant financial loss because of their negligence / dishonesty there isn't anywhere further to go with this, either legally or through the ombudsman. In any case, even if you managed to somehow get an apology out of them you know really they wouldn't mean it.

I think leaving reviews is your best option and would at least warn others. Just make sure you keep it factual.

Otherwise it's best to try to let this go. Don't let it get in the way of your grieving or spoil your memories of your relative. (I speak as someone still embroiled in legal action against the company we engaged to administer Mum's estate, over 2 1/2 years after she died)

BigBlueKangaroo · 22/12/2023 13:40

Thank you.

The SRA advice online says:

"Where the concerns appear to relate solely to poor service, we direct complainants to the Legal Ombudsman, who has powers to investigate service and provide redress to clients. Unless the information also suggests a serious breach, we will not investigate the matter further. If the Legal Ombudsman, having investigated the matter finds evidence to suggest there are, in fact, serious issues, they will let us know so that we are able to do so."
... So it looks like unless I prove that this is a repeat pattern of trying to be so egregious in their will release approach that it forces people to pay them to execute a will.. which no one will have outside of their own data point.. the SRA wouldn't get involved...!

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OVienna · 22/12/2023 13:52

wonder if you could get a journalist interested?

FinallyHere · 22/12/2023 16:19

So sorry you are having to deal with this at what must already be a difficult time.

I'm afraid it really illustrates the 'closed shop' nature of the legal profession, you are experiencing the down side of self regulation.

In this scenario, it is highly unlikely that you will get any kind of satisfaction, however clear the case appears. I'm sorry.

Mosaic123 · 25/12/2023 15:35

Can you review them on Trustpilot too?

MiddleagedBeachbum · 25/12/2023 15:43

I’d approach Panorama or other investigative journalists as potential to ally that could be happening all over and a regular thing.

BigBlueKangaroo · 25/12/2023 16:33

I don't think I'll be letting this one go away quietly. I just don't have much to lose as a little review or two won't cost me much time and as long as it's factual and proven or my opinion, I'm not worried about libel. I feel like this firm operates like this in the dark and what if there are loads of people they do it to..? Cash cow.

I'm not adverse to speaking to journalists or media too but will look around in the new year. Unfortunately I can't tell if anyone has PM'd here as I don't get emails to my mn account any more, I haven't had access for ages so need to fix it. However if any journalists or names spring to mind, I'd love suggestions for my media shortlist.

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InflatableSanta · 25/12/2023 17:57

I agree with you @BigBlueKangaroo it's an abhorrent and exploitative practice and brings a bad name to the profession. I'm a solicitor myself and very cross to hear that sort of conduct goes on

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