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Mark7799 · 19/12/2023 18:50

Hi, first time here. I (we) have a complicated situation with regard to our Grandchildren.
They (4 young boys) were removed from their parents last February. We were called into their Primary school and told their parents had been arrested for alleged neglect, physical abuse, etc and were told by the Police could we take them or do they go into care. Well, obviously no way were they going into care, so we took them. When the duty social worker arrived at our home, he said we had entered into a "private arrangement" with the parents, as they had specified that Grandchildren be taken by us, but not talked to us directly as they were under arrest. They have now been in our care for the last 10 months. We have continued sending them to school (2 buses each way, around 4 hours a day travelling time) as we can't change their school, we have been funding everything out of our disability money, as we have issues with the parents handing over money for the Grandchildren until very recently (October). We have to pay school bus fares, etc as we can't get a council free bus pass as the Grandchildren are still registered at their home address near their school, rather than our address 3 miles away as we have no paperwork and have had no paperwork stating that the Grandchildren live with us and have done for the last 10 months, so we still have to use their original GP, Dentist, etc (and also pay bedroom tax, as the kids are not officially with us on paper). We have stated this at Child Protection Conferences as they are "Children in Need", to no avail.
The Father has failed a Hair Strand drug test (He is the Father of all 4 boys) and the Step Mother (Mother to 1 of the boys) has moved to another town/county over an hour away. We supervise visits by both parents at our home on different days, as the Step Mother can only see the boy that is her biological son, where the Father can see all 4.
Social Services sent us down the Kinship Fostering route, as I don't think there is a chance in the near future of the boys going back home. However, it appears we have not passed the assessments, yet we have done everything they said, including going to great expense to provide a single bed for the youngest (under 5) as they don't allow under 5's in bunk beds, which also entailed moving around rooms as we had 2 sets of bunk beds in the same room, but now we have the 2 older boys in their own rooms which we have had to furnish with single beds, furniture, tv's, etc. and made other changes, all seemed fine to Social Services.
Social Services are saying we are doing a fantastic job, but to then not pass the Kinship Fostering is a huge blow.
So, now what are we looking at ?
No way could the boys be split up, they are too interdependent of each other and have been with other since day 1, it would mentally wreck them considering what they came from and the stability they have with us.
Could we be looking at SGO, considering they have been with us so long or some other sort of legal standing to keep them here and together.

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CapturedLeprechaun · 19/12/2023 18:57

You need to speak to their social worker and push push push for an SGO.

I had my great neices under an SGO a while back, (they were later reunited with mum) the allowance was £143 a week for a child under 11, and £208 a week for a child over 11.

You need to be relentless with social services. Their workloads are so busy that if you don't kick up a fuss and keep saying it can't go on as it is, and they will have to look at foster care, they won't see you as a priority. They will always opt to keep children with family than to place in foster care, as it costs the local authority less.

Tinkeytonkoldfruit · 19/12/2023 19:00

I'm a social worker, you need legal advice, push for the local authority to fund this for you - they should be. Based on what you've said personally I think that these children should be subject to care proceedings and they have defacto made a placement here that is unregulated.
Whilst you push for legal advice please contact the family rights group (link below) they will offer your excellent advice and help you to think about how to advocate for your position.
https://frg.org.uk/

Helping families Helping children

We work with parents whose children are in need, at risk or are in the care system & with kinship carers who are raising children unable to remain at home.

https://frg.org.uk

ThePoshUns · 19/12/2023 19:03

Social services have pulled a fast one here. You should have been allocated your own social worker and had a lot more support than you've had so far.
I would seek legal advice from a solicitor accredited in family law.

fernsandlilies · 19/12/2023 19:08

if you haven't passed the kinship fostering assessment, you need to challenge that assessment, and you may need to get your own legal advice to do that.

Is there a court hearing coming up soon? Ask to be invited to that, then explain your situation to the judge. S/he will let you know how you can challenge. Also, ask for an interim residence order - it might mean you can get legal aid for a solicitor of your own.

DontBeAPrickDarren · 19/12/2023 19:12

Gah, lost a whole post.

based on what you’ve said here the children were placed with you as an alternative to care. As such they should be considered looked after children and you as kinship carers with all the support financial and otherwise that that entails.

I second the recommendation for the family rights group. I’d also recommend making a statutory complaint to the council about their failure to recognise the children as looked after and recognise you as connected carers. Then every time the council misses a deadline for response (and they inevitably will) complain to the local government ombudsman. At the end of the process if the council still doesn’t realise it’s mistake, raise it with the ombudsman again.

this is a little outdated but still potentially useful: https://www.lgo.org.uk/assets/attach/2139/FR-Family-Values-caring-for-others-November-2013.pdf

https://www.lgo.org.uk/assets/attach/2139/FR-Family-Values-caring-for-others-November-2013.pdf

thedamnseason · 19/12/2023 19:28

What was the reason stated you didn't pass the fostering assessment? I think that's important to reflect on.

It's weird but it might still be possible for them to support the SGO but be unable to sign off the fostering approval.

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