Redundancy Procedure Mistake?

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Found out my role will be made redundant, there will be the usual consultation charade but a new structure has been shared with the employees who are at risk and the full remaining team. Sounds like the decision has been made despite all the talk that it hasn’t.

Can anyone offer after advice please on the process and if this is correct or they've shot themselves in the foot?

Will be calling ACAS tomorrow but struggling to sleep obviously.. thank you.

Where do you think they have made a mistake? Sharing the new org chart seems pretty normal to initiate the process.
Those at risk of redundancy will then be offered a consultation to review vacancies and potential move to those open roles.

The consultation isn't about consulting employees about whether their role should be made redundant.

There is nothing wrong with the employer sharing the proposed new structure. They have not shot themselves in the foot.

They have to share the proposed structure to enable you to understand what the change is and give you the opportunity to raise issues you see with it or offer alternatives that may meet the company's objectives without requiring your role to be made redundant.

What do you think they’ve done wrong?

Of course they know what roles they want to keep- that’s effectively what redundancy is; removing the positions you no longer need.

Why do you think they shouldn't have shared the new structure Or have they added names to the new posts? In which case yes that's bad, but I can't see the issue with 'Finance Manager grade 8', Finance team leader grade 6', '2 x Finance assistants grade 4'.

Exactly. How could your employers identify which roles are at risk of redundancy, if they hadn’t designed the new structure?

It’s stressful and horrible to be made redundant so full sympathies, but don’t waste your energy, fighting imaginary battles.

Actually, the consultation process should include listening to employees' ideas for how redundancies can be reduced. In theory the final decision about who is made redundant shouldn't be taken until the consultation process has finished, because employers are meant to do everything they can to reduce redundancies, and that includes entering the consultation process with an open mind.

I suspect this is all above board op (I actually wonder if you work at my company, where this exact scenario is currently happening, even down to the new structure being announced to all colleagues), but I would at least want to ask questions about how they intend to listen to any counter proposals with an open mind having already shared the proposed structure widely.

Agree share the new proposed structure but should have clarified that yes, it's shown with names.

One team member was promoted out of a safe role last year and made this observation so told to apply for her old job. She's not going to do this to new starter but no plan has been shared for applying for other roles and this was made as a throw away comment.

1st consultation today so will go and listen.

In a previous job, my entire team of 6 was made redundant. They told us in a meeting and shared the new structure with us at the same time: a smaller team of 3 with new job descriptions.

The difference is we were then encourage to apply for the new 3 roles and to comment on the new team structure and role descriptions.

So in your case I would question why the roles in the new structure have already been allocated to specific people without any of the staff at risk of redundancy having a change to apply for them.

Technically the roles have become redundant, not the individuals, but it sounds like they want to get specific people out of the organisation...I would query that.

Speak to ACAS and Citizen Advice.