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Review on Booking.com - can the owner of a holiday let take action

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OVienna · 09/08/2023 15:31

Inspired by another thread in legal but so as not to hijack, thought I'd start a thread here.

We've just come back from two weeks in a holiday let in southern Europe, having lined the pockets of a very rude owner. A few things have come up and I have been minded to leave a rather blunt review on Booking.com. I am weighing this up against expending any more negative energy on this with the fact the property was expensive and when booking something on one of these sites it would be nice to think you could rely at least somewhat on the feedback before making the same mistake yourself.

Alongside this, I do wonder if in a 'recollections may vary' scenario she may be able to take some sort of action against us if her ratings plummet.

Firstly - the place was an oven and she was totally shocked that the temp bedrooms she characterised as 'fresh' were in fact uncomfortably hot. I actually felt sick first night, I was so hot, my husband was sleeping in the kitchen under the one fan that did exist. If we'd had younger children than teens with us we would have had to leave. We mentioned this to the owner whose response was 'Really?????" Every other reviewer in the universe characterised the rooms as 'fresh' evidently. No wildfires where we were but I think most people in the world knew that southern Europe was dangerously hot. Refused to buy fans for us. I mean - this problem is not going away (maybe she's a climate change denier???) and I'd be surprised it wasn't an investment she felt she needed to make. Thought we could invest in her property for her, evidently.

On the topic of ovens - the electricity in the flat dated to...very likely the time of the previous princeling running the island. I have photos of some of the different types of sockets we found (which I won't post here.) Turning the oven on tripped the electricity. Apparently that was broken and the small alternative device on the countertop couldn't be plugged in anywhere. To our question we received this What's App: "Why are you trying to cook anywhere if it's REALLY 45 degrees?!"

Two garden chairs for inside in a property for five people so nowhere to relax in the evening.

Fridge that didn't close properly and we had to put a chair against.

There are other bits and pieces you'd want to know if you did have small children or anyone with mobility issues.

In the UK, I strongly suspect this property would not be approved for use on a holiday let booking site (I have reason to know.)

What surprised me is this woman is under 30 - so you would think probably internet savvy and maybe a bit wary of reviews?

She kept coming back to 'it's not in description' - no, fans are not specifically in the description but don't be a dolt. Local friends on the island were shocked there weren't any in the bedrooms or air con - I wasn't expecting air con, which I said to her. But the total lack of interest in our comfort was unbelievable.

Still - maybe our complaints could be met with I'm mad enough to sue you for libel because it wasn't in the description.

Her parting shot was a seriously patronising message encouraging us to just 'look at the view' whenever we were feeling stressed.

Honestly, I do have something of sense of humour about this but my credit card bill hasn't come yet.

Curious if others would write the review and be damned.

OP posts:
prh47bridge · 09/08/2023 17:00

She could try to take legal action against you for libel. However, provided you could show that any facts you stated were true and any opinions you stated were your honest opinion, she would not succeed.

rookiemere · 09/08/2023 17:36

I would write your review but keep it factual i.e. no aircon or fans provided, frequent problems with electrics tripping etc.

BarbaraV · 09/08/2023 17:38

Just write it and say I'm my opinion rather than stating things as fact.

PinkFootstool · 09/08/2023 17:45

Be factual.

Weather exceptionally hot during visit. No fans provided, owner refused to provide any on request.
Fridge door doesn't close, had to be weighted shut.
Cooker apparently unsafe - switching it on trips the electrics. Alternative counter top rings could not be used owing to lack of sockets in kitchen (I think that's what you mean!).
Flat listed as suitable for 5 people, seating only provided for 2 people. Garden chairs provided for indoor use, no sofa, kitchen chairs or similar available.
Felt the owner was very dismissive of issues raised with no resolution offered to problems found during the stay.

Ideally backed up with photos of any items / the seats provided etc.

prh47bridge · 09/08/2023 20:56

BarbaraV · 09/08/2023 17:38

Just write it and say I'm my opinion rather than stating things as fact.

Saying "in my opinion" doesn't work if OP is stating facts. "In my opinion the fridge door wouldn't close and had to be weighted shut" would clearly be a factual statement, so OP would be required to prove it was true if the owner sued.

prh47bridge · 09/08/2023 20:57

PinkFootstool · 09/08/2023 17:45

Be factual.

Weather exceptionally hot during visit. No fans provided, owner refused to provide any on request.
Fridge door doesn't close, had to be weighted shut.
Cooker apparently unsafe - switching it on trips the electrics. Alternative counter top rings could not be used owing to lack of sockets in kitchen (I think that's what you mean!).
Flat listed as suitable for 5 people, seating only provided for 2 people. Garden chairs provided for indoor use, no sofa, kitchen chairs or similar available.
Felt the owner was very dismissive of issues raised with no resolution offered to problems found during the stay.

Ideally backed up with photos of any items / the seats provided etc.

You don't have to keep it factual. Honest opinions are protected provided they are reasonable and genuinely held.

Akiddleetivy2woodenchu · 09/08/2023 21:01

I complained to Booking and got a refund when our “two bedroom apartment” turned out to be a double bed rammed into what appeared to be a cupboard and a bed in the kitchen. You might want to speak with them first.

OVienna · 09/08/2023 21:10

Akiddleetivy2woodenchu · 09/08/2023 21:01

I complained to Booking and got a refund when our “two bedroom apartment” turned out to be a double bed rammed into what appeared to be a cupboard and a bed in the kitchen. You might want to speak with them first.

Yes I think we may try them first and see if anything is offered. I heard they're not as engaged as AirBnB but who knows?

OP posts:
Fizzology · 09/08/2023 21:43

Some of the problems I would want to know about as a potential customer - difficult/impossible to cook in kitchen. No comfortable place to sit.

But the heat? You were in southern Europe during the heatwave? You booked a place without aircon during one of the worst heatwaves in living memory. If it was consistently 35+ during the day, it was likely not cooling down at night. Fans would have felt a little nicer - but you would still have been too hot to sleep well.

If the bedroom was closed off and could not get a breeze - mention that.

I would mention that the owner was not helpful in trying to find solutions. That would really put me off, and sounds like it was the case for you.

rookiemere · 10/08/2023 06:49

@Fizzology makes a good point. If it didn't advertise as having air con, then the fact it was hot during a heat wave is unfortunate but is what you booked.
Many properties don't have air con and keep cool by people closing blinds during the day, the weather for your stay was hotter than they have likely experienced before.

Caspianberg · 10/08/2023 06:59

I think you can leave a review. The electrics and fridge opening don’t sound great.

However fan wise, I don’t think it’s the key problem. We live in a country that’s hot in summer and we don’t have any aircon or fans in our house, and don’t provide any in our holiday let on site. The house is built well, and we have shutters and awnings anyone can use. It’s not too hot inside with those measures. Did you close curtains etc daytime in bedrooms to help? We live with our own toddler in this. If it’s 40 outside, it’s max 25 inside (cooler at night)

Also furniture, what did the pictures show when you booked? If they showed full sofas and chairs and you just had two garden chairs then that’s unacceptable, but if the booking didn’t show or say it then it may be accurate for what you booked.

You can ask booking to refund if it’s nothing like the listing. But if fans, aircon, furniture etc aren’t listed I don’t think you will get anywhere. Hosts can also ask booking to remove review if it’s deemed inaccurate, so do only add facts and your opinion, you can’t say the accommodation isn’t suitable without aircon if it never offered it.

pollykitty · 10/08/2023 07:08

I would leave a review. If it’s factual and truly your opinion, then leave a review. I always think a review is to help others. It js helpful for other to know there is dodgy electrics and on the whole the place was uncomfortable. Not to mention a crap host.

caringcarer · 10/08/2023 07:17

rookiemere · 09/08/2023 17:36

I would write your review but keep it factual i.e. no aircon or fans provided, frequent problems with electrics tripping etc.

Yep, keep it factual.

SpamIAm · 10/08/2023 07:24

The only time I've tried to leave a bad review on booking.com they wouldn't approve it. Thought it might be helpful for potential bookers to know the place was crawling with bedbugs and the owner was denying it and so refusing to take action, but apparently not.

itsgettingweird · 10/08/2023 07:34

Yes to keeping it factual.

We travelled on X dates when it was x degrees. The rooms were reaching x temperature which was uncomfortable in a properly with no air com or fans provided

Etc.

That way you are actually referencing the description she so lovingly pointed out numerous times but stating that without those things it wasn't a comfortable stay!

rileynexttime · 10/08/2023 07:35

Of course leave a negative review.
Re fans - my guess is that the electricity wouldn't support them.

theDudesmummy · 10/08/2023 07:41

I wrote a completely factual and very bad review for an apartment I stayed at last summer, with so.e very similar qualities to this including the very rude/nonresponsive owner. Booking.com published it (I didn't even realise they moderated reviews). I would say go ahead and write your review for sure.

sunglassesonthetable · 10/08/2023 07:46

Oh my goodness write the review! That's exactly what it's there for!

Tripping Electrics
No proper oven
Fridge door that doesn't shut
Rude, unhelpful owner

No fans and- at the very least she could have offered suggestions about how to keep the flat cool - shutters etc

And you should not have to count the chairs in the description to make sure you can all sit down!

With respect you sound so tentative and 'British' about this .

You paid good money and sounds like you ended up with a complete dog of a holiday rental.

Would you want to go back?

Would you recommend it?

That's what reviews are for.

Gymmum82 · 10/08/2023 07:53

Of course leave a review. I rely on these when booking and always read them.
As long as it’s factual and honest. You have proof of photos and text messages she won’t be able to sue you

prh47bridge · 10/08/2023 08:21

Just to repeat, a review doesn't have to be purely factual. OP is allowed to offer an opinion provided it is reasonable and it is her honest opinion. To succeed with a libel case, the owner of the holiday let would have to show that either OP does not actually hold the opinion she is expressing, or that no reasonable person could form that opinion on the basis of the facts.

OVienna · 10/08/2023 08:32

On the air con I need to be absolutely clear I don't expect this and told her. She put her mother forward as being around to help if we had any problems and I said to her that I'd appreciate it if her mother could purchase and drop off whatever fans it was she thought we should source and buy ourselves. (That was her suggestion.)

It was also the communication style, like she didn't actually believe us it could possibly be that hot. 🤔 Until we were trying to use the broken cooker and then it was: how can you be cooking anything in this extreme heat, lol. And yes, we had every possible window open. She was so sparky with us. I've got your three grand, screw you sort of thing.

Interesting the poster who said Booking.com didn't post the negative review. We can't be the first people who have complained and I got the feeling this might be manipulated. I wonder if you settle with the owner in some way you agree not to publish on their site.

OP posts:
OVienna · 10/08/2023 08:34

sunglassesonthetable · 10/08/2023 07:46

Oh my goodness write the review! That's exactly what it's there for!

Tripping Electrics
No proper oven
Fridge door that doesn't shut
Rude, unhelpful owner

No fans and- at the very least she could have offered suggestions about how to keep the flat cool - shutters etc

And you should not have to count the chairs in the description to make sure you can all sit down!

With respect you sound so tentative and 'British' about this .

You paid good money and sounds like you ended up with a complete dog of a holiday rental.

Would you want to go back?

Would you recommend it?

That's what reviews are for.

Our Italian friends told us to stop being so British with her!

OP posts:
GenieGenealogy · 10/08/2023 08:36

BarbaraV · 09/08/2023 17:38

Just write it and say I'm my opinion rather than stating things as fact.

Disagree. She needs to point out the facts - the property was hot, the fridge wouldn't close, only 2 chairs, electricity kept tripping.

sunglassesonthetable · 10/08/2023 08:38

Does anyone seriously think this woman is going to sue?

She wouldn't even put her hand in her pocket for some fans.

OVienna · 10/08/2023 08:41

Oh I misread! They did publish the review.

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