Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Legal matters

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you have any legal concerns we suggest you consult a solicitor.

Matriarch funeral and family feud

59 replies

KajsaKavat · 10/06/2023 03:04

So I married into this family and divorced over 10 years ago.
the mum has held onto so much hate and bitterness for so long usually taking her sons side not her daughters.
All 3 have had their problems with addiction.
last year there was an assault by the son on the daughter (the son lived with the mum and the daughter independently with her children) and prison and now both parties have non molestation orders or whatever equivalent against each other.

The mum died this week. The son laughingly told me it was in the mums will that the daughter could not attend the funeral. I pleaded with him to bury all the bitterness now and not let it seep into the third generation… but with no luck.
he also doesn’t want me and our teens to attend the funeral but I know my children want to say their official goodbye to their grandma and I think the daughter and her teens deserve this also.

I do know that funerals are public and no one can be banned without a reason but also realise the circumstances are tricky.

please if anyone has any advise or guidance navigating this as I can see how this can make things much worse. Neither the son nor the daughter inherits, just their children but I fear the executor may be on the sons side if it was predetermined by the mum.

i may ask for this thread to be deleted as it’s very outing

OP posts:
gamerchick · 10/06/2023 15:50

KajsaKavat · 10/06/2023 03:41

W when j say this can make things much worse I mean ultimately for the third generation , not for myself.

I think you misunderstood me entirely and your advise was not helpful

Bit rude to someone who was offering advice on what they understood. No need.

It's nothing to do with you, you're not apart of it anymore. I don't understand why you're getting involved.

PinkFootstool · 10/06/2023 15:50

KajsaKavat · 10/06/2023 13:59

Yes, but with willingness this can be disregarded for this occasion. The willingness only exist on one side.

No actually, it cannot. It's a legal order with condition for the behaviour of both parties. They can't pick and choose when it's in play, these orders are in place for a reason. Especially if someone endds up arrested for breaching their NM.

Modaboutyou · 10/06/2023 16:01

You're right about one thing, it not about you so stay out of it. You don't have to be the voice of reason, its not your family, it's your EX family.

Itwasntme101 · 10/06/2023 16:03

If the son doesn't want to do the funeral at the crematorium but just wants to spread the ashes then why doesn't he just not attend? Everyone else can go to the crematorium and then the son has a more private ceremony with his kids when the ashes are available.

harriethoyle · 10/06/2023 16:40

Have some respect. You've said your ex doesn't want you there. You need to abide by that. His needs trump yours on such a difficult day for him. You're no longer part of the family and haven't been for a decade. Back off.

contrary13 · 10/06/2023 19:55

I was extremely close to my grandmother - and I also grew up with my father warring with his brothers over one thing or another. So I'm writing this from the perspective of someone who has been where your kids/their cousins are.

When my grandmother died, my younger cousin forbade me to attend the funeral. He spent the first 13 years of his life (and he was 17 when she died) actually not knowing our grandmother at all - because his father had estranged himself from the entire family. I was 23, and had a small child, so whilst extremely upset that he'd threatened to "kill" me and my daughter if we went to the funeral, I didn't go. I figured that guilt was the motivator and possibly jealousy as he was 3rd oldest and both 1st (me) and 2nd (another cousin he threatened - except she was at the funeral at the time) were very close to our grandmother. I didn't want to have a scene caused, and - well, it's not like my grandmother was actually there is it?! My child and I spent the day at the local farm, believe it or not, actually doing what I know my grandmother would have wanted - having fun together, rather than moping around and arguing over who the next "matriarch" is going to be.

You cannot get involved here. For your kids' sake. They already have a violent ex-offender for a father... they don't have that side of their family anymore! Key word being "their". You get involved when their father's already says that he doesn't even want his kids to attend - and it really isn't going to end well. For. Your. Kids.

As someone else said - either your teenagers already have some semblance of a relationship with the kids of the woman whom their dad assaulted so badly that he was locked up for it... or they don't. I'm guessing that they don't, or they pretend they do for fear of upsetting you. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. I'm not close to those cousins because our fathers aren't close. It doesn't impact upon my life one little bit (except to be grateful that I have no relationship with the violent thug who's the 3rd oldest - but oldest grandson, which my grandmother found laughable even when she was alive!). I have other cousins, a whole heap of friends, and a father who bit his tongue and let me be the catalyst of his nephew's guilt, jealousy and narc rage... I will probably never forgive my parents for putting me first, over a funeral that ultimately means nothing.

There are other ways of paying respects.

One would be winding your neck in and trying not to recreate the awful choice your EX-MIL made when her son assaulted her daughter so badly that he got locked up for it.

Flowers for your kids. But there are better ways to say goodbye, and/or maintain relationships going forwards (although, frankly, I think that ship sailed when your ex hurt the mother of your kids' cousins).

PS: You're only the matriarch of your children... and only then, if THEY want you to be.

contrary13 · 10/06/2023 19:58
  • putting me last... that ought to say. My parents went to the funeral and made nice with their nephew who'd threatened not only me, but their grandchild.
GloriousD · 10/06/2023 20:15

Excellent post @contrary13

Sorry you experienced that and your DP let you suffer.

Lonecatwithkitten · 11/06/2023 08:28

As someone in a similar situation my exMIL is dying (slowly and horribly). I disagree with how my ExH is handling his mothers care, our DD and what he will do afterwards.
But I am his Ex it is no longer my role to give my opinion/advice all I can do is support and listen to our DD.
When the time comes as it inevitably will soon, I won't try to attend the funeral- I will quietly remember the good bits of the relationship in my own private way.
The most respectful things is to not cause a spectacle at the funeral that detracts from the memory of the person who has passed.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page