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Update on Polices failure to Investigate

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ReformedWaywardTeen · 08/06/2023 16:49

My other thread was closed at my request as some particularly rabid trolls turned up to disrupt an otherwise very helpful thread.

Believe it or not we only got it all sorted yesterday!

If you didn't see the original thread, link is here

So, DH kept trying to track down the officer involved. We heard back from local professional standards who had no interest and tried to suggest calling my DH by his surname wasn't abusive or designed to provoke a reaction. This has now been raised to IOPC or whatever it's called these days with new added info.

He did not respond until 4th June, when he rang at 7.45am! Now, DH was awake as neither of us were sleeping with stress but still. It takes him a week over to get back to DH and then he calls that early.

His entire attitude- which I got on recording because I filmed the call as DH took it on speaker as soon as we realised who it was- was disgusting. He refused to tell DH what exactly he was accused of, telling him he needed to hand himself in on the Tuesday at 2.45pm. DH said he unfortunately would not be able to make that appointment, he is the only person who can drive our DS home.

This seemed to wind the officer up who said couldn't he walk. DH explained his range of additional needs and so he grudgingly said midday on Wednesday. He then said "come or I will come arrest you and add that to the charges".

DH asked what charges and the officer said "are you going to comply or not"?

DH said I've literally been at the police station everyday since 28th May, you've not got back to me until today, you've ignored every message and every request to call me! How have I failed to comply?!

The officer said well turn up or you're getting arrested.

Hearing this, I had enough and said, we need to go to the station now, together, and say to them that you are happy to cooperate, you have tried to for days, we've cancelled our holiday, but we want someone else to take over the case.

So we went back to the station. I'm more firm than DH and when we got to speak to a duty sergeant and showed him the call and he had the notes where DH had been in every day he said to leave it with him, he would ask someone higher to remove that officer.

Within two hours a different one phoned.

DH spoke to him, explained what had happened, all the provocation, and although he was happy to come down and discuss it, the threatening behaviour of the original officer was just unworkable and he felt he wouldn't be treated fairly. Officer agreed. He asked DH to come in voluntarily, even saying he wasn't on shift early this week but would come in to accommodate our DS needing to be collected.

We went along, I typed up about 20 pages of information, every incident, every bit of harrassment, I found old messages from him where I asked him to leave us alone and for him to move on. You name it, I printed it.

We were prepared and asked for a duty solicitor - she was a star, she really stood up for DH.

Basically, they were accusing him of homophobia through malicious communication, and harassment as "several numbers" had apparently phoned the complainant over several weeks.

The first thing the solicitor said was "have you even checked these numbers? Phoned them? Seen who they are linked to? You've had nearly two weeks what's your excuse?"
They admitted they hadn't. But DH showed his number, so they asked to see mine and our DCs on his phone, which he obliged and of course not one was on the list!

At this point the solicitor told them they looked stupid and she made them read the events timetable I made. She also showed them proof of the last time we had contacted him to be asked to be left alone way back in 2021.

They started, according to DH, to look rather embarrassed.

She then said "and are you aware (DH) 16 year old teen is LGBTQ?"

They said they did yes because we had told the nasty officer.

So she said "so you believe (DH) would use homophobic language or be guided in this supposed behaviour by not liking that (the complainant) is also LGBTQ, as has been suggested?"

They said, well, no. But it's what he said.

She laughed according to DH, and asked what proof they had, any recordings, independent witnesses. No. They had nothing but his word. They even remarked that when he rang the police, the person who logged it said the person they spoke to sounded "very drunk".

The solicitor said I cannot believe that you've wasted this mans time. He has had two weeks of hell down to your officer (the original one), threats of arrest, officers at his door causing embarrassment. Frankly I would advise my client to sue you.

They then asked DH for information on the complainant and his behaviour with drugs and things and DH said to them, hold on, you've turned my life upside down, had me down here every day for a week, and now you want info out of me on him? Maybe you should drive him mad like you did me and actually look into him yourself!

They were out in about 20 minutes. All that stress, the anxiety, and they had precisely no evidence, no proof. DH said it felt like they got him in to get him to inform on the guy who complained.

Myself and the solicitor told DH that firstly, we should pursue a case against the complainant, and secondly, to update our IOPC case.

DH agreed to the second but said he really didn't want to do the first. He said he had no faith in the police, and wanted to go home and get on with us looking at moving as an opportunity has come up recently. He was just tired I think. He was half convinced that the original officer was so aggressive he would end up in court and prison. I said he was silly to think that but he said he couldn't fathom why they put him through that and in a way the police were worse than the complainant because they literally had not one shred of credible evidence yet made his life hell over it.

I've now said we need a bloody dashcam and if I do have to go to local shops I will keep my phone ready in case the loon says I've said something to him, I can film any time if he is near to back me up.

I hope this is the last nasty thing the moron does. Will it be? Probably not because he's now probably pissed off the police did nothing and I worry that will make him even nastier. But the solicitor said the first sign of any further nastiness get in touch.

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Iaccidentlykillplants · 09/06/2023 17:31

I also hope you can all have a quiet life now. Thank goodness you had a good solicitor. good luck with the IOPC case.
The police could do without bad officers like the first one, it makes everybody's life harder.

ReformedWaywardTeen · 09/06/2023 18:28

Iaccidentlykillplants · 09/06/2023 17:31

I also hope you can all have a quiet life now. Thank goodness you had a good solicitor. good luck with the IOPC case.
The police could do without bad officers like the first one, it makes everybody's life harder.

It just makes me so angry. Over the last few weeks there have been local news stories regarding lack of availability of officers etc and yet they could pursue this?

I'd love to say their case was flimsy but they didn't have one. No call recording and a list of supposed numbers harrassing him yet they'd not once thought to call or trace them back? Apparently there were 10 numbers! And they asked him why he thought they were linked to DH, and me, and he said "I just do".

The voluntary interview was the first time DH knew I was accused, yet they never spoke to me directly or asked me to take part in the interview - quite the opposite as they refused to let me sit in on it.

The solicitor even said that the police had not once mentioned what DH was accused of other than he was supposedly homophobic. If the nasty one had of mentioned ten phone numbers, we could've shown him what we have, 4 numbers. Not one of them was on the list.

Although, solicitor said that possibly is why the officers wanted to come in when I first knew they were going to go OTT about all this.

I quite literally want to sue them, and pursue a case against the complainant but DH considers the matter closed. He said it upsets him that he was threatened with arrest and treated appallingly, the first officer had decided he was at fault from the outset despite having no proof, not a scrap of evidence.

We did get told the CCTV was deleted of the earlier incident. Convenient.

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Iaccidentlykillplants · 09/06/2023 18:44

We did get told the CCTV was deleted of the earlier incident. Convenient.

very convenient.

Iaccidentlykillplants · 09/06/2023 18:47

Its sounds like a complete nightmare and I can understand why you are angry and he wants it closed.
fingers crossed the officer learns from this and your family can live threat free.

ReformedWaywardTeen · 10/06/2023 08:41

I would sincerely hope so

It just makes me so cross that they constantly say they can't look into crimes properly or things have been missed due to cuts. Yet they wasted their time and ours over nothing.

You would have thought at the very least they would have rung the numbers! I would love the luxury of the money involved in running ten phones additional to mine, DHs and the DCs but God knows what that would cost a month.

And to not except that DH was provoked via the guys own CCTV footage where he gets up and starts screaming abuse and allowing him time to delete it just really makes me angry.

I'm hoping the IOPC looks into all of it, and asks if the first one knew the complainant and whether he said to him about DH mentioning CCTV.

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TheSandgroper · 10/06/2023 09:29

I don’t want to sound flippant at all as you have been put through hell but it seems to have echoes of Kellie-Jay Keen’s “MAY be untoward to paedophiles” about it.

Best of luck with it all.

Floppyelf · 23/09/2023 17:40

I think the awful first officer knew the complainant.

Hanlonsamazer · 23/09/2023 17:50

Floppyelf · 23/09/2023 17:40

I think the awful first officer knew the complainant.

It’s common with this police force. They are being played like out of tune fiddles. The more people who sue them the better.

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