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Police refusing to investigate

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ReformedWaywardTeen · 30/05/2023 09:52

I'm going to try and keep this brief but it's difficult due to context

Until 2021 we were friends with the owner of a local business along with a big group of other adults. Over time, business owner became more and more bullying to me personally. It was very obvious that he was obsessed with my DH.
DH is straight. Never gave the guy any reason to believe otherwise. We have been together for over 25 years. The catalyst to say "enough" for me was his behaviour at our wedding reception where he was rude to guests and where he was heard saying DH should have married better as he's better looking than me.
During our honeymoon we were told he was slagging me, telling people he was jealous of me (which he had said to me more than once whilst he was drunk). We decided to take a break from him but he was then slagging our teens off, saying they are weird and freaks. This is a man nearing 60. He has been known to abuse booze and drugs, not something any of the rest of us have much to do with. To be honest we all originally felt sorry for him and would cook him meals. He didn't seem to have anyone and said he had been dumped by a former group for being gay.

Anyway, over two years we've had people connected to him look at me like scum. We've had false complaints made against us to tax officers, and about our son having Disability allowances as he does have some quite serious illnesses. Throughout all the nastiness, we've kept quiet. We blocked him across social media although we were told that he was still being abusive about me pretty regularly until all our mates also blocked him.

On Friday, DH was bringing DS home from school and drove past the male. He jumped up, screaming his head off, the car windows were open and he was calling them both wankers and cunts and throwing fists. He was clearly drunk. Two acquaintances of ours saw this and told him to sit down. DH drove home.

He was angry though and rang the male, calling him some choice names. He did not threaten him. He had simply had enough and DS was so upset, he cannot deal with loud noise or aggression.

On Saturday morning, DH went to get some shopping and the police turned up. The officers were incredibly rude to me. They didn't even refer to my husband by his name or Mr surname, just spat his surname at me and asked is he in? He's never been in trouble with police in his life but they acted like he was some frequent offender.

I asked what was it about and the officer sneered at me that "he's an adult allegedly" so I shut the door. I heard the officer say through the door he would be back to arrest me later if my husband wasn't back!

I immediately called DH who drove to the local police station. He was made to sit there for over an hour and then the lady on the desk seeing no one had spoken to him since she had when he arrived phoned the officers. DH mentioned to her that he was provoked, that the behaviour of the male complainant was dangerous and threatening and that where he was has CCTV and he had two witnesses to the behaviour too (as the acquaintances had offered to give a statement if we wanted to raise a complaint).

The officers refused to speak to DH saying they would call Tuesday (today).

Instead, the rude one turned up at our door at 7pm on Sunday. Again he had an attitude. My husband even asked him how can we trust him when he refers to him so rudely the day before?

He had not looked into DHs side. He had not spoken to our witnesses. He had not asked for CCTV but was demanding DH come to the station and sign a community resolution and pay a compensation amount to the Man!

He refused to agree to do that. I got angry as I said the officer was failing to show due diligence and look into the facts of a case. I'm aware the guy involved has friends in the local police, and feel my husband is being blamed fully for being provoked after two years of aggressive behaviour and lies.
DH is accused of threatening him and of using homophobic slurs. There is no recording of this phone call and considering we have family members who are gay, we are the last people to be homophobic, but this is a tale he has told before to garner sympathy. He also once said a couple in a bar had called him a gay slur but they had simply asked him to not rock their table as he knocked a drink over. It's his default sympathy card.

When DH said he would not agree to sign anything or admit fault, he would like to take it further, the officer said "is that a threat". It clearly wasn't but he was sneering.

He then said he would need to get back to DH as he isn't satisfied with "our attitude".

The thing is, in the time we have stopped speaking to the complainant, along with 90% of our group, we met a couple who knew him before us and were used by him in a similar way. This was one of the couples he accused of homophobia. They said they stopped speaking to him because they became aware of an inappropriate relationship between the man and a 15 year old. The police had failed to look into it as the child was in care but they said as parents they didn't want him near their child.

Because the officer was so defensive of the complainant, DH said to him that this isn't the first time the police have turned a blind eye to his behaviour, mentioning the boy.

He is now worried that they can charge him for saying that to the officer

We've also looked into the community resolution and the police don't even come to your home they call and see if you agree to it and take things further if needed. So why come out twice?

I've contacted the independent body for police complaints but I understand that can take months.

We have heard nothing more but DH said he is worried he will go to prison- he's been doom scrolling on Google and I doubt that would happen but frankly, I think the officer knows the complainant and no doubt the CCTV the man has will be deleted.

Can anyone offer advice? We can't afford a solicitor. Surely they can't just decide without speaking to witnesses that DH is at fault. I did get angry at the officer but he was being so one sided and aggressive he didn't want to hear what DH had to say and had clearly decided from his first attending our home that DH is at fault.He was shouting over both of us and showed no professionalism. He would not hear that DH was provoked and that there was more evidence for that than what this liar was saying. Surely you can't bring any form of case or community resolution with neither evidence not investigation into the full events and provocation?

Can we have the officer removed and how?

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Sandylanes69 · 30/05/2023 09:58

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SeasonFinale · 30/05/2023 09:59

Are you sure the person who came to the house is a police officer or if he is that he is doing this officially? If they cone again I would ask to be seen at the police station and in the presence of a duty solicitor. Do not agree to a caution or community resolution. The reality is the man has been harassing you and your family.

ReformedWaywardTeen · 30/05/2023 10:00

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Sorry but you get that from what I've written where?

We have had nothing but abuse from this man for two years. We've kept our mouth shut. We've not complained because we didn't want to tie up police resources.
DH had enough as he upset our child who is now having issues sleeping because a grown man was swinging at our car and shouting abuse at him and his father through the window.

Clearly you are the type who think police never put a foot wrong so please go and be nasty on another thread

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Sandylanes69 · 30/05/2023 10:03

ReformedWaywardTeen · 30/05/2023 10:00

Sorry but you get that from what I've written where?

We have had nothing but abuse from this man for two years. We've kept our mouth shut. We've not complained because we didn't want to tie up police resources.
DH had enough as he upset our child who is now having issues sleeping because a grown man was swinging at our car and shouting abuse at him and his father through the window.

Clearly you are the type who think police never put a foot wrong so please go and be nasty on another thread

On the contrart, I'm normally of the opinion that ACAB. But your behaviour seems totally unhinged.

ReformedWaywardTeen · 30/05/2023 10:05

SeasonFinale · 30/05/2023 09:59

Are you sure the person who came to the house is a police officer or if he is that he is doing this officially? If they cone again I would ask to be seen at the police station and in the presence of a duty solicitor. Do not agree to a caution or community resolution. The reality is the man has been harassing you and your family.

Thank you for the response, yes, an actual officer, in a police car both times. He was here both times, the first time another officer came to the door with him, the second time a different officer sat in the police car.

We are unable to call the local station, it's what DH first tried when they attended Saturday and he was rude on the doorstep. The number goes through to a call centre in Oxford, who advised to go into our local station. They said they probably attended to arrest DH depending on the complaint made otherwise they would have obtained his phone number from the complainant. DH was worried this would cause more upset to our son so he went to the station. There wasn't a warrant out according to the lady he spoke to. She was unsure why they even attended our home and said to her he had been provoked, probably a bit silly to bite but she said she "wasn't surprised after his behaviour" and "the CCTV and witness details to his behaviour would help sort it out quite easily".
I know that's just get view but it makes me question the conduct of the officer.

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ReformedWaywardTeen · 30/05/2023 10:06

Sandylanes69 · 30/05/2023 10:03

On the contrart, I'm normally of the opinion that ACAB. But your behaviour seems totally unhinged.

In what way?

That's a bold statement to make! We are the victims here.

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Sandylanes69 · 30/05/2023 10:08

ReformedWaywardTeen · 30/05/2023 10:06

In what way?

That's a bold statement to make! We are the victims here.

You slammed the door in the officer's face! And are making all sorts of unfounded accusations. Your behaviour is bizarre.

Comefromaway · 30/05/2023 10:12

Where on earth did the OP say that she slammed the door in the officers face? She didn't, she merely shut the door which unless the officer had a warrant she is well within her rights to do.

OP, your dh can ask for a duty solicitor if he is being interviewed but you can definitely put in a formal complaint and also make a totally separate report of the incident your dh & ds suffered.

ReformedWaywardTeen · 30/05/2023 10:13

Sandylanes69 · 30/05/2023 10:08

You slammed the door in the officer's face! And are making all sorts of unfounded accusations. Your behaviour is bizarre.

I shut the door because he was being aggressive, I have had anxiety due to the behaviour of the man involved and I did not slam it. He made it clear he would only speak to my husband. What should I have done, made him a cup of tea and invited him to wait, further upsetting my son?

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Sandylanes69 · 30/05/2023 10:14

Comefromaway · 30/05/2023 10:12

Where on earth did the OP say that she slammed the door in the officers face? She didn't, she merely shut the door which unless the officer had a warrant she is well within her rights to do.

OP, your dh can ask for a duty solicitor if he is being interviewed but you can definitely put in a formal complaint and also make a totally separate report of the incident your dh & ds suffered.

She would say that, though - I bet it looked very different to the officer. These seem like a pair of hotheaded snowflakes hellbent on being difficult.

Comefromaway · 30/05/2023 10:15

Even if she had slammed the door, that isn't a crime. Whereas what this other bloke did WAS a crime.

Comefromaway · 30/05/2023 10:16

OP, ignore Sandy. Your dh has nothing to worry about.

ReformedWaywardTeen · 30/05/2023 10:16

Comefromaway · 30/05/2023 10:12

Where on earth did the OP say that she slammed the door in the officers face? She didn't, she merely shut the door which unless the officer had a warrant she is well within her rights to do.

OP, your dh can ask for a duty solicitor if he is being interviewed but you can definitely put in a formal complaint and also make a totally separate report of the incident your dh & ds suffered.

Thank you, looks like I've accidentally summed a nasty person!

I will suggest to DH we make a separate complaint and then we can bring our witnesses in.

We just want a quiet life. DH knew when he put the phone down he shouldn't have risen to it but I think the fact it upset DS so much was too much.

Do you think he should go back to the station and ask to speak to someone else and site the officers failure to investigate and attendance at our home without just cause? I wouldn't mind but a couple of years back, DH caught two people trying to break into our home, police didn't even log it yet they come out twice over a row on a phone call!

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ReformedWaywardTeen · 30/05/2023 10:17

And I will be ignoring I've reported to HQ

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Comefromaway · 30/05/2023 10:23

No, that isn't relevant to this. Make a separate report by all means about the incident and the ongoing harassment but if he is questioned further etc simply stick to answering the questions, request the CCTV footage (if they fail to get it then it won't look good for them) & whatever he does do NOT accept a caution/community order or whatever.

ReformedWaywardTeen · 30/05/2023 10:29

Comefromaway · 30/05/2023 10:23

No, that isn't relevant to this. Make a separate report by all means about the incident and the ongoing harassment but if he is questioned further etc simply stick to answering the questions, request the CCTV footage (if they fail to get it then it won't look good for them) & whatever he does do NOT accept a caution/community order or whatever.

Oh he won't agree to it at all. Yes he may have shouted at him, yes he called him a prick, and a bully, but the way the officer was terming it you'd think DH said he was going to beat him senseless and used slurs.

According to another acquaintance, the male said to him that evening that DH threatened his pet! No mention was made of threats against him or gay slurs. So he had told different people different things. The acquaintance even asked what happened to cause that as DH isn't the type to just go off one and he denied it just saying he started on him!

The thing is, over the two years most of our group stopped speaking to him but we never asked or expected them too, and some have carried on casually seeing him. So they all know what has gone on previously.

DH had decided to go back to the station and make a formal in person complaint and will also report what happened on the day.

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senneeds · 30/05/2023 10:38

I would google the name of the officer and this man and see if they have any social connection out of my own interest.

mynewname25 · 30/05/2023 10:48

If the man has made a complaint of homophobic abuse the police will take it more seriously than your complaint of him shouting at you in the car.

Homophobia is a hate crime and he could well be arrested for it. (if there is two forms of corroborating evidence). There will not be a warrant out for his arrest, it doesnt work that way but there may well be a 'flag' on police systems that the police are looking to arrest your husband in relation to the complaint.

It all sounds a bit OTT to me, the man sounds like he has possible mental health issues and add this to the alcohol and drug issues I would be avoiding any contact at all.

if he shouts at you in the street ignore ignore ignore. Explain to your son that the man is unwell and leave it at that.

i wouldn't be bothering with counter complaints, what a load of unnecessary drama. Just get your OH to speak to the police regarding the allegation of homophobic abuse and leave it at that.

ReformedWaywardTeen · 30/05/2023 10:51

senneeds · 30/05/2023 10:38

I would google the name of the officer and this man and see if they have any social connection out of my own interest.

We have never been given his name. The lady at the station asked did he leave a card with me but he didn't. We only have his badge number.
This is why it feels so weird the way this has been handled.

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ReformedWaywardTeen · 30/05/2023 10:53

mynewname25 · 30/05/2023 10:48

If the man has made a complaint of homophobic abuse the police will take it more seriously than your complaint of him shouting at you in the car.

Homophobia is a hate crime and he could well be arrested for it. (if there is two forms of corroborating evidence). There will not be a warrant out for his arrest, it doesnt work that way but there may well be a 'flag' on police systems that the police are looking to arrest your husband in relation to the complaint.

It all sounds a bit OTT to me, the man sounds like he has possible mental health issues and add this to the alcohol and drug issues I would be avoiding any contact at all.

if he shouts at you in the street ignore ignore ignore. Explain to your son that the man is unwell and leave it at that.

i wouldn't be bothering with counter complaints, what a load of unnecessary drama. Just get your OH to speak to the police regarding the allegation of homophobic abuse and leave it at that.

He has no proof. I know that for a fact, in fact we have more evidence than him for his behaviour prior to the call.
The witnesses to that heard him shout back and call my DH all sorts back!

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Twazique · 30/05/2023 10:55

I think you should both sit down calmly and write a retrospective diary with as much detail as you can. List all and any evidence you have. I would do it now before/in case things escalate and you cant remember as you are feeling more stressed.

ReformedWaywardTeen · 30/05/2023 10:55

I just think by not reporting it for ages we've left ourselves open to it. So I think once and for all we do need to pursue it, not least because this officer has allowed him time to delete and tamper with evidence, with no just cause or proof. It's why I believe they know each other. No proof, no witnesses, no evidence of what he's said, it should have been a case of "sorry sir no action we can take", instead he's shown up to our home twice and been abusive to two people totally unknown to the police with no records whatsoever. Not even a parking fine.

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ReformedWaywardTeen · 30/05/2023 10:56

Twazique · 30/05/2023 10:55

I think you should both sit down calmly and write a retrospective diary with as much detail as you can. List all and any evidence you have. I would do it now before/in case things escalate and you cant remember as you are feeling more stressed.

Yes already done this after the second Police visit. It makes quite the read. All friends have said they will 100% back us of what they've seen, heard and been told

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mynewname25 · 30/05/2023 10:58

Well what are you worrying about then? if he has no proof then your OH will be interviewed and released without charge.

mynewname25 · 30/05/2023 10:59

Probably best your OH states 'no comment' when interviewed so as to not inadvertently admit to something he could be charged with

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