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Joint tenancy (parent and son) and spouse rights after death

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saraclara · 07/03/2023 14:31

My mum and my brother are joint tenants of the house that he and his wife have lived in for 25 years. It was originally my mum's rental property, but when the tenants left, she suggested that my brother live there (he and his wife were in a council property at that point) and that he be added to the deeds.

My mum has been in a care facility for 12 years after a massive stroke, and her care has burned through over £750k, (everything she possessed and much more) so now the council pay, but it is a debt that will be called on from her estate. They wanted her to sell the house, but of course she wouldn't agree to, and as far as I can tell from the Land Registry, they haven't put a charge on it. Consequently if she dies first it becomes my brother's and the council can't take it.

However, my brother is no longer in good health, while, though very disabled, my mum seems to be hale and hearty. And it occurred to me that he could die first, in which case it becomes my Mum's entirely and the council could come after it on her death, leaving my sister in law homeless.

Have I got that right? Could they actually do that? Or would she have some right to remain in it, even though she's not on the deeds? I don't think this has occurred to my brother, but if and when it does, I'd like to be in a position to know what to say to him. Or if there's a way to protect my SIL then it would need doing.

Sadly my Mum is highly unlikely to agree to putting SIL on the deeds. She has a totally irrational dislike of her. Frankly mum is more likely to want to take my brother off the deeds, so I'm not going to even mention it to her (she's an exceptionally difficult woman who can be very spiteful, sadly)

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LittleOwl153 · 07/03/2023 14:39

I'd suggest taking legal advice...

Your brother could apply for the tenancy to be changed to equal shares - which would mean his half would be inherited by his wife on his death unless he has a will to the contrary. The council will not then ever be able to touch his share. He does not need your mother's permission to do this.

It would mean her half would however fall to the council on her death so I guess at somepoint they could reclaim that. Not sure how the rules sit about co-owners occupying property...

If the council currently have no hold over the property could your mither be persuaded to transfer it all or the large majority to him? Not sure how the council would view this however as it might be seen as deprivation. Difficult when there are owner occupants...

Clingthefilm · 07/03/2023 14:46

Can your brother change the tenancy to tenants in common, then your brother can will way his half to his wife? I think this is straightforward but not a lawyer.

Hoardasaurusterf · 08/03/2023 08:22

My parents have recently changed their title deeds so they are in tenants in common rather than joint tenants. They will each leave their share to myself and siblings. This means if either requires care only their half can be be used to pay for it .
As joint tenants the whole house automatically goes to joint owner on death of the first. By becoming tenants in common your brother can leave his share to his wife. I think the property can’t then be sold without her consent. HTH

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