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Mesher Order

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Alicehatter · 14/01/2023 23:45

Hi all, first time posting here - it's Saturday night and I suddenly find myself stressed to death.. Can't speak to a solicitor until Monday so figured the next best place may help me - mumsnet! 😊

I'm in the marital home, which as per the Mesher order, ex agreed to continue paying the mortgage on until youngest reaches 18 (she's 9). This was in lieu of CM and I don't ask for (nor expect!) any other financial support.
As part of the Mesher we agreed that if I could get a mortgage at any time in the next 9 years I would, and he would get 20k.
The reason I'm stressed - he's messaged tonight saying he can no longer afford the mortgage payments, wants to be bought out and instead of 20k, wants 60k - something I can't do!!
I just wondered if anyone knew anything about Meshers and whether he can say he's not paying it anymore and make demands for more money?
The real reason he's now doing this is because he's been dumped by the 'greener grass' and now needs to find his own place 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Viviennemary · 15/01/2023 00:02

There is a bit of information online re Mesher orders. If the mortgage is in joint names then you will still be liable to pay it if your ex stops paying as agreed. It must be very stressful for you. If he stops paying then then the lenders might reposess the house. Could ypu afford to pay something towards the mortgage and come to some agreement.

Alicehatter · 15/01/2023 00:25

Thank you for replying Viviennemary.
I've tried to search online but can't seem to find anything about the other party now changing their mind.
The mortgage was solely in his name.. we were advised by the lender that we'd get a better deal if we purchased the house in his name only, as I was on maternity leave at the time. Yep, hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it, but nobody expects to get divorced a couple of years later! I can pay most of the payment, but can't get a mortgage with enough to pay him out.
I'm not worrying too much about the payments or repossession, it's him defaulting on the order that bothers me.

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Viviennemary · 15/01/2023 00:39

Maybe put this question in chat or money in the morning and you might get somebody who knows more than I do. I don't think he can force a sale as that's what the order prevents or try and get £60k from you. Hope it gets sorted out.

NoInvitesEver · 15/01/2023 00:40

The order will be specific - if it says £20k that's what he gets but only if you can get the mortgage. If you can't he has to wait.
It's likely you might need to enforce regarding the payments if he won't pay. It'll be an undertaking or order or both. He'll likely try to vary in return but the outcome will depend in circumstances, and the mortgage payments probably have gone up. Can a better deal be found? He'll have to pay something though.

NoInvitesEver · 15/01/2023 00:43

P.s. any variation won't affect his eventual lump sum, just obligations as to who pays what could be altered if that's right in all the circumstances.

Alicehatter · 15/01/2023 00:45

I honestly appreciate your replies at this late hour, I truly do!
I want to hear that an order is an order, otherwise what was the point of it! I can't refuse him 50% when DD reaches 18, so surely he can't backtrack now either.
It's all been a very messy ordeal which I won't bore you with right now, but please accept my thanks for calming me down some! X

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Surfsenior · 15/01/2023 08:20

Lol he can’t just demand £60k and the sale of the home with a Mesher order in place - wasn’t he listening in Court? That’s the entire point of it.

He should not immediately jump to selling the house either. Has he asked for a mortgage repayment holiday? Ask him for written proof from the mortgage lender. Also ask for a mortgage broker to provide written proof that he is unable to convert the mortgage to an interest-only mortgage and/or to extend the term to enable him to afford it.

how was he ever going to “transfer” a property into your name when you aren’t named on the mortgage or the property deeds? Surely now you’re divorced that would be a Sale of the property from him to you? This seems odd to me. If it’s a sale not a transfer then be aware that you may be liable for stamp duty.

I would reply to your ex that your expectation is he continues to pay the mortgage as per the Consent Order, and no Trigger Event has occurred under that order. Tell him you will reply again after consultation with your solicitor.

The undertakings regarding the FMH were part of a comprehensive package to settle your financial affairs when you divorced, taking into account all the factors. Even if he takes it back to Court, the Court does not have the power to simply change the Mesher order because your ex wants to. And if he took it to court to argue that a variation was financially necessary, I think the entire financial package would have to be revisited - not just the part regarding the FMH. It is unlikely a Mesher order would have been granted without good reason, and scrapping it now should lead to you being significantly compensated eg Spousal support, share of pension, child maintenance. So he should be aware that everything is back under review if he seeks to deprive you of the court-ordered security of living in the FMH with the DC. He can’t just end a Mesher Order because he now wishes he’d asked for something different in the original divorce settlement.

Having said that, the Consent Order is not binding on the Mortgage Lender. This means if your ex stops paying the mortgage ultimately they could pursue him to repossession. I expect the mortgage lender knew you were married and you would be living in the house and so they would have asked you sign a waiver to your rights to remain in the home in the event he stopped paying the mortgage. In that case you cannot prevent the repossession. If the mortgage lender knew you lived in the house but you were not asked to sign to waive your right to remain in the home in the event of a mortgage default, you may well succeed in stopping a repossession (the lender would then have to take you to court for a resolution I suppose? Unsure).

Of course if your ex defaults on the mortgage, his credit would be screwed for many years and this might defeat the object of the exercise from his point of view. If he’s genuinely broke this may be unavoidable. Or he may have decided he won’t be affected by his crappy credit rating - in that case, if the house is repossessed there may well be money leftover after paying costs of repossession and settling mortgage arrears. I would certainly argue that you should receive a large chunk of any equity leftover given you are losing your home.

As your first step, you should confirm that you are unable to transfer the mortgage to yourself and settle the £20k as per the Order. This part of the order is very hard to enforce through the court but you can show you’ve tried. Contact a mortgage broker and ask if there’s anyway you could take over the mortgage without incurring stamp duty. also check the original consent order that the equity split really is a fixed £20k not a specified % as you may have just remembered that it was equivalent to £20k. If you could almost afford the mortgage, a deal might be done - you buy the property but no £20k and instead HE takes out a loan and gives YOU a lump sum, say the amount of the Stamp Duty plus your legal costs.

if you can’t get a mortgage then you can’t, and that’s that.

Selling the FMH may now be the only sensible solution. But in that case you should take it back to court because you are suffering a loss - your expectation was to live in that home until you could afford it, or to live in it until dc reaches age of 18. That is worth something to you. Let’s say there is now £200k equity and he was expecting to receive £20k. If he now forces a sale I would argue he should not only receive NONE of the equity due to the loss you are suffering, he should also settle % of his pension assets on you. Say you didn’t pursue that before because you exchanged the security and comfort of staying the in FMH. Now he wants to remove that, he should compensate you. Don’t go for Spousal support or additional CM, as he has become flakey and there is no guarantee he’ll pay up. Go for a clean break of assets.

prh47bridge · 15/01/2023 10:16

He may want you to buy him out now and give him £60k. He isn't going to get it. He would have to go back to court and apply for the order to be varied to get that. His chances of success are minimal. Final financial orders in divorce are intended to be just that - final - so that the parties have certainty.

However, if he genuinely cannot afford the mortgage, you need to look at your options. Off the top of my head, you could:

  • enforce the order if he stops paying. However, that will be pointless if he genuinely cannot afford the mortgage, as opposed to just wanting to keep the money to fund a better lifestyle.
  • see if you can get a mortgage and pay him £20k as per the order.
  • if you cannot get a mortgage for yourself, see if you can afford to pay the mortgage without his contribution.
  • if all else fails, consider selling the marital home.
toobusytothink · 15/01/2023 10:23

So he doesn’t pay any CM? I was told very specifically that you can not contract out of paying it. Even if you are paying something else “in lieu” … my understanding is that he shouLD have been paying for the mortgage as per the mesher order and then also paying CM. And even if he stops paying the mortgage repayments surely he should still/instead be paying CM??? He can’t just stop paying you anything

NoInvitesEver · 15/01/2023 12:36

toobusytothink · 15/01/2023 10:23

So he doesn’t pay any CM? I was told very specifically that you can not contract out of paying it. Even if you are paying something else “in lieu” … my understanding is that he shouLD have been paying for the mortgage as per the mesher order and then also paying CM. And even if he stops paying the mortgage repayments surely he should still/instead be paying CM??? He can’t just stop paying you anything

This is true BUT a well drafted order would be worded so that the mortgage payment is treated as global maintenance and if OP applies to CMS his mortgage payments would auto reduce by similar sum. However, impossible to know exactly what the order says and OP is going to speak to solicitor Monday and there's no substitute for proper advice from someone who's seen the order.

millymollymoomoo · 15/01/2023 17:38

Not the question but 20k in 9 years for a house he’s been paying for seems awfully low !

Alicehatter · 15/01/2023 21:45

Thank you all so much for your replies, just having someone give some kind of input really does help, so thank you all.

Yep we agreed he would pay the mortgage in lieu. I was trying to be as reasonable as I could possibly be, to keep a roof over the kids heads. He agreed to it and the judge signed it off.

Millymollymoomoo - the 20k is what he agreed to take if I could buy him out within 9 years, and as mentioned, he doesn't contribute financially in any other way for the kids. If we get to the end of the 9 years, he'll get 50%.

I will be phoning my solicitor first thing so will see what she says. From what I've read though and as prh47bridge has said, I believe he will have to go back to court. His financial status hasn't changed (ĥe's confirmed that) it's quite simply that his gf has kicked him out so he has to find somewhere to live and pay bills on his own.

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Alicehatter · 15/01/2023 21:53

Oh yes, if I do buy him out before she's 18, then he'll revert to paying CM.

I'm also going to find a mortgage advisor this week to see if there's anything I can do without evidence of him paying CM, in view of him being due to pay it 🙏

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