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narcissist ex of 6 years stopped paying maintenance, demanded 50/50, MOVED house... etc

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moreplantsthanfucks · 07/03/2022 16:30

hello there people. really need some human to human advice before my insides boil away once and for all.

its a bit of a read but I've tried to pick out what I feel is most important.

in summary:

ex husband of six years. both moved on, he has been engaged for five years. we had a clean break divorce. he had secret money in pensions, share save schemes and was sending money to his dad to "look after".

ex husband out of the blue in October 2021 said he no longer wished to pay maintenance, then demanded 50/50 child care, when he already had 6 nights out of 14 on the regular and kids were very happy and settled with it all.

he broke pretty much all the agreements from mediation after our divorce within weeks, constantly changing the nights he had the kids, introducing his new GF to them without a single word of warning... in the end the kids became so upset with him collecting them from my house (they'd scream and hold on to my legs and beg me not to make them go - aged 4 and 3) we had to change the arrangements so he collected them from school instead. that kind of thing.

we went to mediation (again) before xmas gone and he admitted he was "frugal" when he arrived at the first maintenance payment figure six years ago when he "only" earned £55k, he now earns around £80k per year (I know this for a fact as I have close friends who work in the same company in similar positions), his partner (they own a property together) earns around £40k I believe. I am self employed working insane hours when the kids are with him and then only during school hours when the kids are with me) and single and have been since kids (twins now aged 10 and son aged 9) were born so I could always be there for school stuff. ex husband said during mediation that I should "get a better job" (I'm a fitness instructor on around £35 per hour) and that he was "sick of paying for my household and his own too" and that I "got a good deal" from our clean break divorce.

mediation didn't work this time around as I have never asked for anything to change, he wanted to stop paying AND have the kids an extra night per week so that it was deemed 50/50 (asking that we pay 50/50 for all kid related things to do with school costs only) therefore we couldn't agree.

he then emailed me to say he wanted to go to court to arrange 50/50 ("because you do not want the children to spend more time with their father") but the email was very aggressive and threatening. I pooped my pants and emailed back saying no chance and that I begrudgingly agreed to his demands. I REGRET THAT NOW! he said his solicitor would do the consent order.... nothing and now 3 months in.... worried that a precedent is being set. I have asked many times when I can expect to receive the order. obviously the nature of the consent order is that we agree, but I don't agree. I have sacrificed another night of the week away from my kids and now I am quite significantly out of pocket as he has stopped paying maintenance, which I use to ensure the kids live their best lives and want for nothing. I am an enterprising woman so I immediately went out and got additional work to help make up for the maintenance being stopped. I do not want his money. when I did have the money, its for the kids and mostly went into savings towards their futures.

kids have admitted they pretty much count down "the sleeps" until they see me again (works out at 5 nights on, 2 nights off, then the reverse for each parent) and regularly come home a bit down in the dumps. he has changed into a totally different parent since being divorced. not in a good way either. I hear tales of lots of shouting, him and his fiancé arguing, being forced to do mock SATS papers on the weekend (he is very very academically driven) and they genuinely have no friends where he lives.

he is very controlling and stereo typical narcissist and chauvinist. tells me I agreed things when I didn't, will only communicate via email or "emergency" texts. if he feels its not an emergency in his opinion he tells me he will reply within three business days. he moved out of town ten miles away and it was the children who actually told me, once he had "surprised" them with the new house after school one day. he told me to ask the kids for his new address. I live 0.5km from kids school and he has to drive past my house to get them to/from school, he will send kids loaded down with belongings stuffed into backpacks or even leave stuff at the school office (they detest it) saying that dropping/collecting from outside my house is "too much" for him and "not convenient".

when he started all this surprise asking for 50/50, it now turns out he has moved house again. so he stopped paying maintenance for the children, then suddenly moved to a much more expensive property and has again, not told me his address. the kids came home one day last week and announced to their surprise that when they next see dad, it would be in a new house.

he micro manages me, texts me every week, on the dot, asking me to send back all "his" belongings for the kids (even down to things like pairs of white school socks).

the sight of his name on my phone or emails literally fills me with dread. I truly believe he has only insisted we move to a 50/50 childcare arrangement so that he can gain financially from it. it never ends, even when it came to putting down the priority for senior schools, he lives so far away from the kids lives, their friends, their school and insisted we put down the two best performing schools in the area, even though we do not live anywhere near the catchment zones (he literally made me do a teams meeting and share my screen so he could see what I was inputting). his reason was not even because they are the best schools, it was because he felt it was fair we both had to do equal amounts of driving around (not once, since the girls started nursery in 2015, have I driven the kids to or from school). not once has he thought about our son, who remains at primary school for the next two years, meaning realistically when my son is not with me, my ex will be putting him into early morning wrap around care (he would never ever ask me to have him even though he knows I am at home and available), so as to drive our daughters to senior school if they miraculously
got into the schools 2-4 miles away from my house, 4-9 miles from his. they got offered the catchment school for where I live which is 0.3km away - which is still a good and ever improving school and logistically means nothing changes for either of us nor my son. kids told me he intends to appeal the councils decision. despite it being well publicised that the schools in the area are all over subscribed.

I didn't want to be married to him anymore, I didn't choose to divorce the kids and I would have them 24/7 if possible. our absolute dream is to move to the coast and I'd even be able to afford to send them to a private school, but he would never ever go for it. he's that selfish, even when my mom, who was very very involved with the kids lives, was dying of cancer with days to live, I asked him if I could keep the kids an extra night to take them to spend time with their nan and he said no, that it was just as important they spent time with him. she died two days later and the kids never got to say goodbye.

basically - what do I do? yes it is great he is an "active" dad and actually sees his kids. but I truly do not believe it is out of love, its because of money and also because he likes to make out he is a good guy. he is very different in public to how he behaves in private. obviously the kids seeing him 50% of their waking hours is a good thing, but it all feels so wrong and like I am facilitating it when they do not want to go. I know they do it out of duty. do I keep chasing the consent order? do I agree it when it arrives and just accept this is how things are now? do I need a solicitor to review all this horrible narcissistic behaviour and help me to contest the order so that the kids are better protected and can remain "at home" with me more often and try to claw back some maintenance for them? would a solicitor even do that?

its very very scary and I genuinely do not know what to do. I cannot believe that nearly seven years in, he is still acting this way and I wish I could be stronger and push back, but its not in my nature. I am a nice person and I want to do the best for the kids, but my heart tells me this situation he has forced us all into is not the best for them.

Oh god. please help. I keep going in circles and my anxiety is through the roof about it all.

OP posts:
BeepBoopBop · 08/03/2022 17:19

I have no proper advice for you, I am so sorry. I would just like to say, I think you are an amazing mum, strong and independent and you sound lovely. If I were in your shoes I would do what is in the best interests of the children. I would try and find a really strong solicitor, I would start keeping a diary and I would not have any contact with the ex. Grey rock the hell out of him. I think once your children are a certain age, they get input into their care and their main home. Good luck, stay strong x

RedHelenB · 09/03/2022 08:30

How can you afford to put them in private school on one wage?
You don't have to agree to anything, eg. Showing him what you are putting on teams. And you could have said no they are staying that extra night so they see their Grandma. He no doubt would have done if the situation was reversed
He won't win the appeal so the twins are at the school they want to be at. They also are getting to an age where they can start having a say in how much time they spend at their Dad's to the detriment of friendships, activities etc.
Choose your battles. You are divorced, living separately. You aren't relying on him for maintenance so already that favours you not letting him call all the shots.

Crumbs22 · 09/03/2022 10:27

I'm so sorry you are having to deal with this. You can stand your ground on what you know and believe to be best for your children. Can you check with CMS about him stopping maintenance? Please don't be bullied or forced into anything you do not want or at the very least check over with a decent solicitor first (since mediation does not work) and think things through. If you having to use a solicitor check if you can apply for him to pay at least some of the fees since he is not willing to compromise in mediation. If it does go to Court, they will consider the conduct of each party because the expectation is that parents can come to an agreement and going to Court is the last resort.

moreplantsthanfucks · 09/03/2022 16:05

thanks all. its so hard when you are deep down a nice person and you want to do what's right, but you just don't know fundamentally what you're doing to your kids emotions with it all. I just don't have that nature, its hard to say no/yes, I can't handle the anxiety that comes with standing up to him.

such a shame as if it wasn't for him and how regimented and unwilling to compromise he is, I could sell my property and then move to the coast and buy mortgage free, using the left over money to send the kids to private school. my work is transferable so I can work anywhere. now my mom is no longer with us there is nothing really keeping us here except the status quo and obviously the kids dad.

praying for a euro millions win so I can live the dream and ask him his price lol

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krazykatzlady · 11/03/2022 21:47

Did you have a child arrangements order before you mediated at Xmas time?

As his solicitor has not taken your mediated agreement to court to be stamped, can you not just tell him - this isn't working and revert back to the original plans.

Inform CMS and claim maintenance that way.

Grey rock everything else.

ILoveYou3000 · 11/03/2022 22:30

@moreplantsthanfucks

I just did a CMA calculation based on the salary you stated in your OP and him having them more than 3 nights per week, and it comes back he should be paying you £476.58 per month.

If there is a huge disparity between income you may well be entitled to CM even with 50:50. If he has to pay it anyway he may well revert back to your previous arrangement. It's at least worth looking into for you.

When do your twins turn 11? Isn't that the age when courts begin to take into account the wants of the children. It sounds like their preference would be to have more time with you.

Start that process, so when the time comes for them to have their say you remove the control from him.

FurbleSocks · 13/03/2022 22:19

My guess is he wanted to get a mortgage for the new house(s) and didn't want to declare CM payments to the broker. So a financial decision rather than putting the kids first.

RandomMess · 13/03/2022 22:41

Just because the DC are 50:50 doesn't mean that he does not have to pay maintenance via CMS with such a large earnings discrepancy he may well have to still Wink

I would put in writing to his solicitor that the DC are not happy with new arrangements and wish to revert back to 6/14 with him.

Also how you don't know where the DC reside.

Let it go to court so CAFCASS get to speak with the DC and advocate for what they want.

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