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Please help - update on thread about daughter who came home injured from contact on New Years eve. Advice, solicitor recommendations?

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Lovemattersmost · 03/03/2022 15:47

hi all

I really need help from Mumsnet because I am fairly desperate. I can't see the link to share, but in summary, my 7 year old DD came home from her father's with a very significant mark on her leg caused by what appeared to be a slap on New Years Eve at about 6pm, and I posted about it at the time. We called the police who said no crime had been reported, and after advice from Mumsnet, we called back and reported her injury again, which was then accepted as a crime. After this point things happened quickly and joint Section 47 investigation was put in place as well with a police investigation. He was given a Community Resolution Order for Common Assault of a minor (I think this is correct term) and the children are now on a Child In Need plan. He admitted in police interview that was not the first time he had hit her.
They haven't seen their father since the incident but I have been facilitating weekly telephone contact. It has been an incredibly stressful time for so many reasons not least that I am devastated that my children have experienced physical and psychological abuse in the care of their dad following the fact that I left the LTB eventually and went to court. However I did not go to a full fact finding hearing due to fear of him and the court awarded us a 50/50 split. I have been worried every time i have handed over, but he would never allow them to call me from his house etc.

Where we are at the moment is my daughter has clearly been processing what she has been through at my ex-husbands house and this has included her being hit many times, she says; being hit with a hairbrush really hard; that she was put in her room for ‘hours and hours’; being left alone in the dark and locked in her room while scared; she describved being so scared she thought she would burst, over and over again; describing him as a ‘Tyrannosaurus Rex’ and her ‘as a mouse’. She says she didnt tell me becuase she was so frightened he would get into trouble, then she would get into trouble, or that she would be split up from him.

She has panic attacks when bad memories come and is quite obviously significantly traumatised by her experiences with him. School also say she demonstrates trauma, but appears to be recovering and putting on weight now she is solely in my care. To say I am devastated and furious are understatements. My son as well has been a victim of psychological abuse if not physical abuse and when contact first stopped he screamed, enraged saying that it was all her fault she deserved to be hit. He seems now to have had a time to process and to see how this is not the case; none of these things happen at my home with my partner that we are all fairly calm and don't resort to smacking or long time outs. I have now discovered these long time outs also meant they went hungry for long periods of time. They have both put on a healthy amount of weight since they have been in our home consistently since the incident.

I have engaged the services of a local solicitor who has made the initial application to court. However she came on recommendation of someone I know, and I don't know if she is actually a great family solicitor. To be honest I think I need to find a really good solicitor who can support me as I have recently been emailed by the solicitor that my ex-husband has engaged who is one of the top family lawyers of the year, I read on the website. This is the same solicitor he engaged last time with whom he effectively won the case against me and got exactly the terms he wanted. My previous solicitor just caved in front of her. I dont qualify for legal aid anymore so I will bear the £20k plus costs, somehow.

I'm obviously desperate to protect my son and daughter at all costs from the abuse they have experienced in their fathers home. At the moment I am arranging contact centre contact with their dad, and we are currently on a child in need plan with social services who tell me while they have no jurisdiction to tell me not to let him see them but in the next breath say that a voluntary safety plan needs to be in place and that supported contact would be the best way forward. It is not clear to me if they have explained that to my ex-husband. However, according to the letter I received this week from his solicitor, he seems to think that having nights in his home and increasing back to the old pattern is the way forward.

I really need help now from Mumsnet please because I don't know what to do for the best. I'm so frightened of going back to court and not ‘winning’ and all the same disruptive patterns of care being imposed upon my children, let alone overnight stays in an unsafe home. I was a victim of a campaign of terror when I lived with him and my daughters accounts is so similar I have to go and cry after she's told me about some of the things she's been through which has included him kicking her toys around the room him, standing over her closely with his face in hers, shouting, raising his hand to threaten to hit her as well actually being being hit on many occasions. It is simply devastating to me.

What I am doing at the moment to support he is to be there for her absolutely when she needs to talk, and I have found a play therapist to support her to process her feelings therapeutically, she has Elsa supporting school, I've offered a weekly supervised phone conversation with her dad and we have our application to court in process.
What else can I do, suggestions welcomed?
Does anybody have any advice as to how I should proceed legally, should I try to find a different solicitor, or stick with the one I have? Is there anything else I should or could be doing?

I have realised that many people will tell me to expect that the children will go back at some point for overnight visits at their fathers house. I know this is an eventual likelihood and it is with a heavy heart that I would watch this occur. But I feel as though at least if this is in maybe a year or so is time once all the legalities have been through then at least then she will be 8 years old and I can provide her with a phone, in case he hits her which is actually chilling for me to write. What I would really like is for him to never have unsupervised contact with either of my children ever again. He has physically assaulted me on a number of occasions which are documented but have never been taken further. Is now the time to make an historical allegation? He has also harassed and stalked me for a long time but according to the police no crimes have been committed. In all reality, knowing how dangerous he can be, my ideal outcome would be that he had supervised contact with both children until they turn 18. I know that a fundamental reason for his desire for 50 50 was to avoid paying me maintenance (at the time it would have been £300 per month i think) - should I continue not to claim? I have little disposable income after all expenses are paid, but can manage without it.
Anyway sorry for the hugely long post thank you so much for reading and I will respond to any comments but I am at work now about to go into a meeting, then pick up and home, and will be back online after tea and bath at 7:30 PM.

Id like to say that without Mumsnet I would not have been able to leave this toxic abuser because I didn't recognise it as abuse for so long - I felt it was my fault so thank you to each and every poster who supported me through the darkest times of my life and gave me the strength to walk out of the door with my young children. I feel a huge burden of regret that I was not present in his house to protect them and they have been through so much now. All I can be grateful for is that at least they have one safe home to go to here with me and hopefully to stay in for the rest of their childhoods. Thank you all.

OP posts:
Lovemattersmost · 03/03/2022 15:59

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/legal_matters/4441232-My-exh-hit-my-7yo-dd-earlier-this-evening-Wwyd

Here is the previous thread. Got a bit tearful seeing all the supportive comments on it. Right, back later, thank you all very much.

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Lovemattersmost · 03/03/2022 18:38

bump

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uggmum · 03/03/2022 18:51

Just wanted to add a post to help bump this for responses.

What a horrible position you are in. I really feel for you.

The battle you are going through to protect your children is moving.

There are some wonderful women on this forum who. I am sure, will be along soon to offer good advice.

PumpkinPie2016 · 03/03/2022 18:56

I remember your first post Sad

I have no advice but wanted to bump the thread.

I assume the fact that the police have accepted the incident as a crime and the child in need plan being in place will work in your favour? I hope so.

CurbsideProphet · 03/03/2022 19:01

Bumping for you. Have you tried Women's Aid / NSPCC for advice re the legal process?

Isonthecase · 03/03/2022 19:03

Afraid I have no experience of this so just wanted to add support and hopefully keep it in active until someone who can help comes along. It sounds like you've been through an awful lot, wishing you all the best.

CottonSock · 03/03/2022 19:03

This is very identifying op. Are you sure you want to post here, in case it goes to press / court etc?

CottonSock · 03/03/2022 19:04

I mean identifiable rather than identifying I guess. Due to the detail.

Palavah · 03/03/2022 19:05

Im afraid I don't have any solicitor recommendations but I wonder if it's worth speaking to the police again about this man's crimes against you and see if they will address things differently in light of the force now being more enlightened (?) about male violence against women.

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CottonSock · 03/03/2022 19:12

To give context. Here is a link. And please seek real life professional support

www.familylawgroup.co.uk/site/blog/flg-news/the-importance-of-privacy-when-a-family-dispute-goes-to-court

Madamswearsalot · 03/03/2022 19:23

I don't have a lot of experience but you could try Rights of Women's helpline:

rightsofwomen.org.uk

I'd also consider finding a top family lawyer - you need someone to fight hard on your behalf.

I'd also start looking into how the cafcass process works and asking as many people as possible how you can document your dc's experiences to better convey the impact they've had on them in a court situation.

I'm sure people with better knowledge will be along soon.

tingzhenqi · 03/03/2022 19:30

Been there. I got legal aid in the end so don't have any recommendation though, sorry. Before getting legal aid I went to court myself 2 times, and it was extremely hard as ex had a expensive solicitor, so if you could afford to, get yourself a good solicitor even that costs a fortune
In my case we were ordered to use contact center for roughly 6 months, then 6 months direct contact but no sleepovers. And now dc is having 1 night stay at ex's every week. Which seems fine atm. (which I hate and still always feel fearful tbh, but can't and won't stop)
I really hope things get better for you and your dcs OPFlowers

Tinitiny · 03/03/2022 19:44

So, in practical terms, when is your next Court hearing and what type is it? Are you submitting statements? What are you (your solicitor) expecting our of it?
Have Cafcass been engaged and have they done a report? Are they in process of doing so?
Look up the Cafcass processes and matrices they use for assessments so you k is what they are dealing with.

For your court date, it is a good barrister you need, not just a solicitor. Did you have one last time?
If you didn’t go to Fact Finding hearing last time, why and how that was agreed? Did you withdraw allegations? If so, you may not be able to revisit.

Join some FB groups if you can to understand the court process better - there are a few that are good for support and some for more practical matters.
Privacy is one of those - you need to be mindful of posting stuff in a public forum that anyone can access.

2022NameChange · 03/03/2022 19:45

I would raise all of these questions at your next Child in Need TAF meeting, if there isn't one scheduled for a while, ask for it to be brought forward. They can advise better, and they can even offer written testimony as to why this shouldn't be allowed. They will want the best for the children, and can actually influence court outcomes. So please seek support from the social worker, school nurse and school. Anyone really. I am sorry I can't give answers to your questions, I am not sure anyone can, but the team around your family will be the best placed people to advise of what route to take next . You sound like a brilliant Mum so please be kind to yourself, you're doing the best you can to protect your children. Keep going OP

ImaniMumsnet · 03/03/2022 19:46

www.mumsnet.com/webguide/domestic-violence

We're so sorry to hear you're going through this, OP.
We hope you don't mind, but when these threads are flagged to us we like to link to our web-guides, which we hope may be helpful. If you'd like to, please do feel free to take a look at our Domestic Violence page (link above)

Very best wishes from all at MNHQ Flowers

BornBlonde · 03/03/2022 19:55

I have no experience & advice so bumping for you. I've heard great things about Women's Aid & NSPCC. Do you work, if so do you have an employee assistance programme? They may offer counselling or mental health services/other referrals which perhaps could support you & the DC. Would your MP be able to do anything? You mention school, I wonder if pastoral care/a health visitor can add weight to your case that jr should not have access as he is dangerous

You sound like an amazing parent, you're been through so much & it angers me that you & your DC are not better protected. I will never understand why the legal process protects abusers and forces women & children to see their abusers.

Lovemattersmost · 03/03/2022 20:11

thanks all. i know there is masses amounts of detail. I just wanted to explain everything in case anyone can help me.
Whats been posted has been really heplful on a practical level and i am really grateful for supportive posts too, they mean such a lot.

I will ask MN to put this is legal.
thanks again all.

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wombleflump · 05/03/2022 08:38

It’s awfull. Im doing a ff next week and a final hearing the week after. My ex wants staying but I want indefinite supervised contact. Im with you 100% and don’t understand why they think someone is going to change their
Personality because they have done a three month course. Im all for second chances in life but not when children and their safety are involved. Also they talk about emotional harm not seeing both parents but apparently emotional harm from abusive parents is ok. You have the police and SS involved. I think you have no choice but to take it to court and take it all the way and state what you want. Given what has happened I don’t think he would get 50:50.

Pinkyxx · 06/03/2022 23:35

I'm so sorry you're going through this. Based on what you've shared it seems vanishingly unlikely he would be granted 50% staying contact at this point.

You really need a good solicitor who will fight for your children. I would definitely check whether the solicitor you have is a children's law accredited solicitor. If they aren't, move to one who is and preferably one with public family law experience. I had/have a similar situation to you, and found having a solicitor with a very strong background in child protection invaluable. Your average family law case doesn't necessarily involve a child being assaulted by one of their parents, and the resultant local authority involvement.

You can check here:
www.lawsociety.org.uk/career-advice/individual-accreditations/children-law-accreditation

My advice would be to not bring up historic abuse/harassment you have suffered (particularly if you withdrew allegations in prior proceedings) but to focus on the risk of harm contact poses to your children now based on the evidence you have. It sounds like social services don't deem the abuse to have reached a threshold where they feel they need to impose a stop on contact so, sadly, contact is likely to be ordered. The focus has got to be about ensuring that contact is as safe as it can be & supporting the children.

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