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Probate Office have lost the original will

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ProbateOfficeUseless · 14/12/2021 17:48

Posting this for my dad as he’s executor of his fathers will. He’s doing DIY probate as solicitors fees were extortionate - it’s not a small estate and they wanted approx 15% of the value of the estate.

We sent the probate application form off, along with the original will, 8 months ago. The original will had a (signed and dated) cover letter stapled to it by my grandad and so we left this attached as per the advice on the PO website. This was sent tracked and signed for and we know it arrived there and was signed for.

We’ve heard nothing from the Probate Office at all and, despite a lot of chasing, they have been impossible to get hold of on the phone or via email but Dad finally managed to speak to someone today. They’ve lost the bloody will.

The absolute clowns that work there have scanned the cover letter that was attached to the will, but not the will itself, and no one can find the hard copy. The person Dad spoke to at the Probate Office suggested it might have been destroyed.
Dad kept photocopies of the original will but the Probate Office are saying they’re no good and they won’t accept them.

The Probate Office seem unwilling to help and have said that Dad needs to get a solicitor and have them deal with the estate as though there is a lost will. They’ve said that they won’t be paying any costs that Dad incurs in doing this.

Where do we stand on this? There are a number of properties in the estate that need to be urgently sold as he’s now having to pay council tax on them, and none of the investments can be released to the executor without proof of probate as they’re quite large. There’s also a sizeable IHT bill to pay.

In short:
What is the usual process when the PO lose an original will?
Who does liability rest with? If we have to get a solicitor to sort this out is there any way we can force the PO to pay costs? This is a loss directly arising from their stunning incompetence.

OP posts:
nomoneytreehere · 14/12/2021 18:01

I don't know the answer to your questions but they are totally incompetent. I've had to involve my mp and they don't even answer the phone to him.

nomoneytreehere · 14/12/2021 18:05

I think this is the form you need to sign. It's an affidavit.

You don't need a solicitor - just need to fill this out saying what you have said here.

Oblomov21 · 14/12/2021 18:15

Their negligence is shocking isn't it?

CampagVelocet · 14/12/2021 18:21

I would recommend speaking to a solicitor. Did your dad not shop around at all? 15% of a big estate is a very high fee indeed and I would expect most would be much much less. It's a complex estate if there are multiple properties, investments and IHT. A solicitor should be able to guide you through the process of proving a copy Will and with the rest of the administration if your dad needs them to.

prh47bridge · 14/12/2021 19:29

You don't need a solicitor for this. Whoever you spoke to at the Probate Office is wrong to say they won't accept photocopies. They will if submitted correctly. See www.gov.uk/government/publications/report-a-will-is-lost-to-support-a-probate-application

BERN4251 · 21/07/2022 21:02

Hi I know a few months have passed since you posted they question but I’m experiencing difficulties gaining a Grant of Probate as the Probate office have also lost my father’s will. I’m therefore interested to know what method you proceeded with after all the suggestions and if your extra documentation you submitted was accepted and if the Grant of Probate has now been granted? I’m
wondering whether to make a formal complaint or involve my MP.

Gaveitall · 21/07/2022 21:17

A similar thing happened to us.
Letters of Administration were applied for via our solicitor last October 2021 when my brother In law died intestate. That means without a will.

We have been told that the Office of the Public Guardian apparently lost the application when it’s office moved from Cardiff to Newcastle.

Fortunately our solicitor applied again & just last week Letters of Administration were granted & we can sell his house & wind up his estate. Nine frustrating months of waiting have elapsed.

So, we’re not exactly in the same position as the OP but I’ve posted to underline the total ineptitude of some government offices and the lack of application to public duty that some Civil Servants expect the taxpayer to put up with.

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