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Underhand family members and solicitors not doing checks!

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user1488481370 · 26/11/2021 22:52

My husband worked for decades for his mother no/very low pay. He was promised land by her, he contributed savings towards machinery and land that were subsequently bought by the business in which he was a partner. She died a couple of years ago and has thrown him to the lions in her will.

She’s split the land between 3 of them (hubby, his sister and his brother) his sister supports hubby’s claim for the land and agrees that he worked for very little pay in the belief that he would inherit the land but his brother and his partner are making life very difficult. We all live in close proximity, the police are involved as well as BIL (brother in law) having a criminal record for assaulting hubby.

Off on a tangent previously so back to the main issue here:- hubby had a conference with a barrister through a firm of solicitors back in may. A pre-action letter of claim was eventually written by said barrister and sent to BIL in September along with a letter asking him to stop with his threatening and disruptive behaviour. He was asked to acknowledge he had received the letter within 2 weeks with a formal reply to be received within 4 weeks.

We hadn’t heard from our legal exec for a while and made many attempts to get in contact with her. Upon getting in contact on Monday she eventually replied with an email saying that a conflict had arisen and the firm was no longer able to act for hubby on this matter. We asked if she could elaborate on what sort of conflict and we were sent an email which which was written as though it was meant for BIL. It mentioned ‘recent’ letters and meetings with a woman we’d never heard of but alas, on searching her name, works for the same firm and in the same office as our legal exec.

We requested a phone call and we were told that BIL had had a meeting with this woman recently (we assume after he received the letter) about a ‘probate issue.’ We think that this has been tactical on BIL’s part. He’s tried his luck, the firm haven’t cross checked or at least haven’t cross checked thoroughly enough (surnames and postcodes are the same and our address’ are very similar) and he’s managed to cause a lot of inconvenience to ourselves and caused a further delay in proceedings. He also didn’t reply to either the pre action letter or the letter about his behaviour.

Our legal exec said they only realised what had happened upon speaking to her colleague in the office and she had been seeking advice since to see if they could continue to act for us but, as it transpires, they can’t. We get to keep our barrister and all of the work done so far still and she will transfer all work through to our next chosen solicitor at no extra cost to ourselves. She said it won’t affect our case but we’re pretty peeved that he’s been allowed to do this. We have no other way out of this, he won’t sell his share to us nor will he buy hubby’s share. Hubby has invested all of his money into the business and cant get anything out. He feels trapped. But this just shows how underhand and untrustworthy BIL is. We have a portfolio of evidence on him. But surely the solicitors firm are at fault for not checking

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burnoutbabe · 26/11/2021 23:11

Courts could force a sale where co-owners don't get on.

user1488481370 · 26/11/2021 23:14

@burnoutbabe we were told forcing a sale would cost my husband his third anyway.

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Ohmygodyesthatsit · 26/11/2021 23:22

So if bil wont sell or buy what does he propose going forward?

burnoutbabe · 26/11/2021 23:25

[quote user1488481370]@burnoutbabe we were told forcing a sale would cost my husband his third anyway.[/quote]
It would cost them all equally surely? This is an estate matter so fees paid out of estate (ie whatever cash left)

user1488481370 · 26/11/2021 23:40

@Ohmygodyesthatsit I think he’s just enjoying the control and power he thinks he has over us at the moment.

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Xenia · 27/11/2021 15:24

I have seen an awful lots of court judgments with similar disputes as so many farming families do not put things in writing or do not stick to verbal agreements. It sounds like the solution the solicitors have offered - new law firm, same barrister is not too bad.

I would start with how much money is at stake - the 100% of the land to the husband or a third of it - difference between the two If the land is worth £2m without the farm partnership/goodwill the brother stands to take £1.2m from the siblings who could be left with nothing. I don't know if the siblings are in the family partnership or not however. What we need to get to first is what the most the husband might win and deduct from that say a third of his legal costs which he may not recover from the siblings (or all of them if the siblings would never pay up) and see how much money is being argued over here, then factor in chances of success given people thought it a good idea to have nothing in writing other than the will which means we start with a huge uphill struggle here to help the husband against a clear will leaving all 3 siblings things equally.

user1488481370 · 27/11/2021 15:42

@Xenia I can only imagine. It seems to be so common. The other siblings weren’t partners and they all own a third of each other’s homes. MIL has really, really messed this up.

BIL inherited a lot of land when their father died (he died a few months before my husband was born). They’re trying to push us out as it is and we’ve had years of hell. We’ve offered mediation which BIL refuses to partake in.

I know it’s going to be an uphill struggle and it’s the last thing OH wanted to do but he’s put his cards on the table, tried to be fair, asked to buy them out, asked if they would buy him out (SIL isn’t in a position to buy BIL is).

The will has been equal in one sense but absolutely not in another. OH has suffered a lot of detriment and has lived in a lesser house than his siblings as he was told that he would inherit the land and as a result would be able to continue to run his business.

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burnoutbabe · 27/11/2021 19:11

There are a few court cases about expectations and acting to detriment over farm land and promisss you will get it in future if you work for nothing.

But all this needs detailed legal advice as well as analysis of legal costs versus potential upside if win

Xenia · 28/11/2021 08:35

I agree with burnout. I report some farm law cases briefly from time to time and sadly time and again it is a family company, promises made decades ago, no written contracts, elderly father saying one thing to one family member and something else to another. I do not do this area of the law and as burnout says you need specific legal advice, particularly to check if the difference between each side's position is less than the amount both might pay to lawyers. I agree it is very hard for you however if the other side will not go to a mediation.

The only reason I said it was equal to leave the property to the 3 children equally was to show that for many on a quick look this would not look unfair and might say - silly son for not having it all put in writing as who thinks a verbal promise will ever be kept? However time and again people do work on the basis of these verbal promises which are later very hard to prove - but not impossible to prove.

If you have spare time here is one case about a farm near Harrogate www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Ch/2020/939.html from last year. There are cases closer to yours too in terms of facts but I cannot root out the one about which I was thinking.

burnoutbabe · 28/11/2021 09:05

I learned about it in my equity course (and land law) under proprietary estoppel)

www.trethowans.com/news/a-recent-case-in-the-law-of-proprietary-estoppel

Think this 2015 case was the main one I was thinking of (man and his nephew)

www.doihaveacase.co.uk/question-of-testament-proprietary-estoppel-claims-what-you-need-to-know/

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