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Does anyone know what the implications of this are?

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baltic · 04/11/2021 19:08

I'll try to keep this succinct but can provide further information if something isn't clear.

About 10 years ago my husband was involved in a very successful business and we were in a financial position to build a house. We got a mortgage to do this and then for various other reasons got a second loan secured against this property.

However, working with the partners he had was incredibly stressful for my husband and this had a knock on effect on family life so we decided that we would tighten our belts and he would leave the partnership and work on his own (he's in the recruitment industry).

He was slowly building his business up, money was tight but we were managing. However in 2019 he became very unwell and it took months to figure out what was wrong. He had major surgery and the recovery was slow. We had some financial difficulties and had exhausted our savings so paying the mortgage was difficult. Our main/ first lender was sympathetic and allowed us a payment holiday, but the second lender was incredibly aggressive (I get that they want their money) and wouldn't accept anything less than the full arrears payments so my mum lent us the money to cover them. CoVID then hit and my husbands business took a hammering when it was already barely paying the bills so we built up arrears on both mortgages. Long story short the second charge lender took us to court and eventually there was a decree granted against us. We were served notice to leave in the summer and were assessed as being statutory homeless so have been lucky to be given temporary accommodation by our council. It has been an incredibly stressful time but we are all now much happier. We were under the impression that the house would be sold and the proceeds would hopefully cover both of the mortgages.

At the beginning of the week we got a letter from the second lender's solicitor informing us that they have 'been instructed by our clients to register a Deed of Disburdenment over our client's security over the security subjects. This means that X bank is relinquishing any rights arising from it's security and they will abandon possession of the security subjects '.

It goes on to say that we should reinsure the property (which we have done), that we can call them to arrange collection of the keys and that if we have any queries we should seek our own legal advice. We have tried 13 different solicitors now and none seem to be able to help- many have never heard of this being done and can't offer advice as it isn't in their area of expertise. Google doesn't shed any light on it either. Does anyone know what this means or can point us in the direction of clear legal advice? I'm not sure what to do and what the implications are for the debt- does the loan now effectively become 'unsecured'?

We contacted the first lender who are as baffled as us. We now have large arrears on this loan as we stopped paying once we knew repossession was a foregone conclusion. The first company had a court date after the second company had the decree granted and were told they couldn't get a decree as there already was one in place, but now that looks like it will be removed we expect them to go back and be granted a decree so the house will still be repossessed (and I have no energy or money to try to save it- it might be financially possible but we would have to live incredibly frugally for years and none of us wants to). Has anyone ever heard of this and can offer advice or suggest where we can get legal advice (I have returned to work full time and husband's business is in a better place so we can afford proper legal advice, we just can't find anyone who can help).

Sorry that was so long, i didn't want to miss anything relevant out. Also, we are in Scotland but company is in England so I assume is governed by English law.

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InterviewTerminated · 04/11/2021 22:39

Have you contacted conveyancing solicitors in Scotland OP? On googling "Deed of disburdenment" I could only find results in relation to Scottish law.

baltic · 05/11/2021 06:59

Yes, we initially spoke to the solicitor who did the conveyancing when we bought the land but he said that in 30 years of conveyancing he had never dealt with this situation. He recommended another solicitor who also couldn't help. Every solicitor who couldn't help recommended another to try but we still haven't managed to get anyone to take us on. One said he had never heard of it and he didn't have the time to research it.

I have Googled 'Deed of Disburdenment Scot's Law' and can't find an explanation of what it means, but I did read information about the different types of entries into the Scottish Land Register and read that in 2013-14 there were only 3 Deeds of Disburdenment registered so it doesn't seem to be something that many solicitors will have experience of.

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user1487194234 · 05/11/2021 20:49

Maybe check with the Law Society to get a recommendation for a solicitor specialising in this area
Is it the case that there's not enough equity to pay off the second loans
Loans that are not paid can grow rapidly

baltic · 06/11/2021 09:35

That's possible- the house was valued at more than the first and second mortgage in the spring but it might be close now because of the arrears.

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user1487194234 · 06/11/2021 13:09

If there is not enough equity to pay off the first loan in full then the second lender will get nothing so no point in them proceeding with Court action
They may have done a deal with the first lender to cover their costs in exchange for taking a step back
A solicitor specialising in insolvency is what you need
You will still owe the money

Fleur405 · 06/11/2021 15:28

I am a non-practising Scots qualified lawyer (so can’t give legal advice) with some experience in this area (insolvency and recovery of secured property) - I have never heard of this and have looked up a couple of my textbooks and there is nothing in there re this at all. It’s certainly very rare and difficult to understand why the second charge holder would have done any of that even if it is a thing.

What I would say is that the security and all things related to it will be governed by Scots law if the property is in Scotland.

I agree it’s quite that likely that second lender has realised that there will be insufficient money raised to pay off the loan and don’t want to bother selling it only to have to pay all the proceeds to the first security holder.

Without seeing what the deed itself says it’s impossible to know what its effects are but whether or not the security is discharged you are right that the underlying obligation to pay is unlikely to have been extinguished (so if the security is discharged then yes it would most likely become unsecured -but that is usually done by way of a deed of discharge).

Ultimately it seems that in any case the house now requires to be sold and the proceeds used to pay the creditors. If you are not in a position to meet the selling costs and/or you think the proceeds will be insufficient to pay off both creditors then you should perhaps consider insolvency and in that case should speak to an insolvency practitioner.

If you think you may be able to resolve the situation yourself and/or want to get to the bottom of what a “deed of disburdenment” is then I would try speaking with a litigator in a firm that has both insolvency and property litigation expertise.

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