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Child consent order

33 replies

Gmooh21 · 08/09/2021 23:12

Hi, just looking for some advice really.

The background is that my ex partner and I seperated about a year ago. We're not married but have a 3 and 2 year old. We're still living together. He will only let me buy his share of the house (and go on to buy his own house) if I agree to 50 50 child residency. And he wants this written up as a legally binding consent order which would go though the courts.

We have done mediation and came up with a 50 50 plan that I am prepared to give a trial of but I really don't feel prepared to sign anything legally binding.

I was very anti 50 50 initially as I felt my children need a stable home and was angry as he was emotionally abusive and coercive throughout the relationship. I was also angry that he should get 50 50 when I have done the vast amount of childcare to date. Although with time I've come to realise that he is brilliant with our kids and I think if this is something he really really wants then we should do a trial.

I have serious doubts he will be able to manage the 50 50 though. He's a teacher and is so stressed with work in term time. He's frequently ill with flu or a bad back and is incredibly lazy with housework. So I think a trial is appropriate and then we could adjust arrangements if needed. The reason he wants the consent order is because he doesn't trust me as I was so anti shared residency originally. He has spoken to a lawyer who has suggested consent order and advised that he needs to have 50% of nights.

My problem is that I really don't want to sign this consent order. He is a bully and a difficult character in general and I don't want to be tied to an agreement that doesn't work.

However, if I don't sign the agreement, I can't buy him out of the house. So our only option would be to sell the house. I would definitely have to downsize to a 2 bed flat (probably in a different area). This is because house prices have gone up quite a bit since we bought our place. Ex is happy for me to buy our house at the original price we paid if I agree to the consent order. He has just been give a huge amount of money from parents. I'm feeling like now he has this money he has more power.

I feel like I have 2 options: sign the order and keep my house (and take a gamble with what will come). It could work out well as the girls would have some stability in the home they already know. My ex may well change his ways and manage the 50 50 really well. Or if he doesn't cope, maybe that's okay too as I can pick up what he can't do?

Or my second option is to sell up, downside and apply for my own court order. I would probably push for a 60:40 agreement. This is because of his significant stress levels during term time and going by historical contributions (none to housework/maintence, minimal childcare in term time). I would push for him to have them more in holidays and me more in term time averaging out at 60 40.

I just don't know what to do and am feeling so stressed out right now! I've had some legal advice but they've just suggested selling and then agreeing childcare arrangements after as both things are dealt with seperately in court.

Also, just wondered if me living in a 2 bed flat and him living in a big house would affect my chances in court of getting more than a 50% share. The girls already share a room in our house. Ex has also dropped a day at work as he can now afford this. I am currently full time. I'm doing a course which I get paid for. My work have said I could potentially defer for a year and work for them in a less senior role part time for the year. I'm thinking this would be a good option if I go down the court order route?

Any insights would be greatly appreciated. I can't really think straight at the moment and don't want to make a bad decision. Family and friends are all giving conflicting advice. TIA:)

OP posts:
thingymaboob · 08/09/2021 23:19

You're going to get a good deal on the house if he's agreed to allow you to buy him out at original price. You'll massively benefit financially if house prices have gone and will continue to go up. This will benefit you and the kids in the long term, and it's their family home so nice and familiar for them.

If he's a good Dad, responsible and wants 50/50 split, I think it's a reasonable request. If he can't cope as you suspect, you might be able to pick up what he can't do but dragging this through the court for a 40/60 split AND losing your house doesn't seem to benefit anyone. You'll lose the house and lose out financially and have to move to a smaller place and that seems like a lot to lose for the sake of a day a week difference in parenting time

Tinkywinkydinkydoo · 08/09/2021 23:24

If he took you to court for 50/50 it’s very likely he will get it given what you’ve said here, also you need to look in to how much taking it to court will cost, it can be a very long and expensive route and if he has family money to pay for it and you don’t, you could end up having to sell the house any way. You need to really think about the pros and cons of this. How much has the house gone up since you purchased it? If it’s increased by a good bit and he’s willing to let you buy him out for the purchase price , he could easily revoke that offer and make you buy him out for the current price which you may not be able to afford? It sounds like a difficult position and I feel for you but courts are much more likely to grant 50/50 nowadays anyway, so you may end up paying thousands and thousands to have to do 50/50 anyway.

Gmooh21 · 08/09/2021 23:34

Thanks so much for your replies. I'm leaning towards singing the consent order. I just hate that I've been bullied into it. I feel like the trial is perfectly reasonable but I guess it is what it is.

House has gone up about 20k. Not a huge amount. But I can't afford to buy it at that price. Can just about afford it at the price we bought it for a couple of years ago.

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QueenBee52 · 08/09/2021 23:40

I wouldn't be blackmailed either OP..

50/50 is to avoid CMS right ? has this been mentioned ?

JanglyBeads · 08/09/2021 23:45

He can’t refuse to split the house unless you agree to the consent order!! They are dealt with separately because they ARE separate things!

Have you had independent financial advice?

JanglyBeads · 08/09/2021 23:45

Sorry, I meant independent legal advice on the finances.

Gmooh21 · 08/09/2021 23:50

@JanglyBeads

He can’t refuse to split the house unless you agree to the consent order!! They are dealt with separately because they ARE separate things!

Have you had independent financial advice?

He's happy to split the money from the house if we sell as we're joint tenants and own it 50 50. But he won't let me buy his share off him unless I agree to what he wants😞 I think it would work quite differently if we were married unfortunately.
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Gmooh21 · 08/09/2021 23:53

@QueenBee52

I wouldn't be blackmailed either OP..

50/50 is to avoid CMS right ? has this been mentioned ?

I don't get the impression it is about maintenance. But maybe you're right. I guess he would really resent having to give me money (even if he can afford it) when he would rather be with the kids himself.
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QueenBee52 · 09/09/2021 01:17

If you agree to this deal.. you will be denying your children Maintenance from their Father ... they are entitled to this ... to aid their upbringing..

its not a bargaining tool ... this man should be ashamed of himself for trying to manipulate you by blackmailing you into this.. so he can then avoid paying for his Children.. which in ALL honesty is what I think this is ALL about..

Seek legal advice and fast... agree to NOTHING.. 🌸

Rtmhwales · 09/09/2021 01:25

@QueenBee52

If you agree to this deal.. you will be denying your children Maintenance from their Father ... they are entitled to this ... to aid their upbringing..

its not a bargaining tool ... this man should be ashamed of himself for trying to manipulate you by blackmailing you into this.. so he can then avoid paying for his Children.. which in ALL honesty is what I think this is ALL about..

Seek legal advice and fast... agree to NOTHING.. 🌸

But if OP doesn't think it's to avoid maintenance then maybe it's not. Some people, men and fathers included, do want 50/50 to be with their children. And with the girls being so young he may actually step up and be an equal parent.

I'd go for 50/50 if your other plan is a 60/40 split and a gamble on the house. He could win 50/50 anyway and the legal costs could be astronomical. You see so many posters on here pointing out that the paltry maintenance doesn't cover the costs of childcare anyway so this could theoretically halve your childcare bill meaning you'd potentially break even or ahead than a different split with child maintenance.

Theunamedcat · 09/09/2021 01:31

Get legal advice the order should be mutually beneficial not his way or the highway

Who claims the child tax credits the family allowance etc etc all needs to be sorted

Who pays for childcare on which day? Its all very well saying 50% of the nights but will he expect to collect after tea and drop off before breakfast

Basically how will it work

QueenBee52 · 09/09/2021 01:49

But if OP doesn't think it's to avoid maintenance then maybe it's not. Some people, men and fathers included, do want 50/50 to be with their children. And with the girls being so young he may actually step up and be an equal parent.

Yes I agree... there's a lot of very good Fathers out there...

I just disagree that this decision should be forced upon OP in this manner ...

thingymaboob · 09/09/2021 08:18

@QueenBee52

If you agree to this deal.. you will be denying your children Maintenance from their Father ... they are entitled to this ... to aid their upbringing..

its not a bargaining tool ... this man should be ashamed of himself for trying to manipulate you by blackmailing you into this.. so he can then avoid paying for his Children.. which in ALL honesty is what I think this is ALL about..

Seek legal advice and fast... agree to NOTHING.. 🌸

So maintenance is more important than the kids being with him equally? He sounds responsible, has a job and is a teacher. He will have the kids 50% of the time, use his money equally like the mother during their time together and the OP will gain financially because of the house. I don't think that men should pay maintenance if they're equal caregivers of their children as they're being provided for by them an equal amount
Theunamedcat · 09/09/2021 08:32

No one knows if he will use his money equally he could be like a lot of oppositional parents that only count nights and drop off early morning so the other parent is responsible for three meals a day plus childcare on there own because the other parent has 50% "custody" someone was on the other week dad was refusing to pay for or provide school meals in "his time" countless threads over the years about struggling to pay for childcare or get a better job because other parent drops off before school and refuses to collect because "they work" it happens a lot

LaurieFairyCake · 09/09/2021 08:47

This is all a terrible idea as the OP's ex is coercive and controlling

He is very unlikely given what the OP has already experienced to actually do 50% of the work and paying 50% of the costs - you will be in endless arguments over paying for childcare, uniforms, extra curricular activities, clothes, fucking everything

Get a solicitor - you may get the house anyway (he has enough money to sort his own accommodation with his inheritance) and then he can take you to court for more time with them when he actually steps up

Until then you NEED the child support money

Basically you are still being bullied and coerced. Stop talking to him, get a solicitor. Don't move out.

JollyAndBright · 09/09/2021 09:16

I agree with others, don’t agree to or sign anything without legal advice.

Gmooh21 · 09/09/2021 09:18

I don't think he'll be difficult about the money side of things but I do think I'll be doing more than 50% childcare. I think he just desperately wants to be an equal parent but doesnt know the reality of what that entails. I guess having the consent order guarantees that I can't move away with the kids ever. I'm speaking to a soliciotor tomorrow.

I'm just thinking if I had to move out of the area to buy a cheaper house, it might be harder for him to get the 50 50?

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QueenBee52 · 09/09/2021 12:15

If you trust him then that is fantastic ... but I agree with everyone that you need to do this with legal guidance...

vivainsomnia · 09/09/2021 12:46

He is a bully and a difficult character in general and I don't want to be tied to an agreement that doesn't work
Can't you see that demanding a 'trial' is you controlling the situation and being in charge of deciding after the trial whether you are happy with it or not?

You don't have more say over what works best for the children than he does. If you don't agree, let a judge decide.

Theunamedcat · 09/09/2021 14:02

He needs to understand how its going to work if he is going to do it and its hard for someone who has literally never done it alone my ex can only cope with one child for an hour at a time he cant cope with two and returns him so he refused to go to see his dad he calls him the shouty baldy because instead of dealing he shouts

Skeptadad · 10/09/2021 08:03

So he is a "brilliant dad" and is handing over 20k equity despite being a low earner (teacher) but he is clearly only going this for CMS! Because dads only want to spend time with their children to lower their CMS which for a teacher is probably less than childcare costs!

Rightio! I understand...

NeilBuchananisBanksy · 10/09/2021 08:17

Could you get something written into the order about a review period? Also I'd want it in writing how he proposes to deal with practicalities of 50/50 while he's in full time work. Also make sure it's clear on roles- ie dentists appointments, uniform buying etc.

Use the consent order against him as much as he is for you!!

Theunamedcat · 10/09/2021 09:13

@Skeptadad

So he is a "brilliant dad" and is handing over 20k equity despite being a low earner (teacher) but he is clearly only going this for CMS! Because dads only want to spend time with their children to lower their CMS which for a teacher is probably less than childcare costs!

Rightio! I understand...

Umm did you read the op? She said at first she was against it but now she thinks it might work out she only wants a trial to make sure he can actually cope because historically he cannot

And she doesn't think he is doing it to get out of paying child maintenance

Theunamedcat · 10/09/2021 09:16

I'm pretty sure you can get the order worded in such a way that it allows for periodical reviews I would suggest 6 months and 12 months alternate Christmas and New years split birthdays etc and add in whoever day it is it is their responsibility to pay/provide meals and childcare on that day unless agreed with the other parent that way the expectations of you picking up the slack is gone

Theunamedcat · 10/09/2021 09:17

Also don't forget a consent order can be changed by the court if it isn't working for the child