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Beneficiary in will has died

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saraclara · 11/07/2021 14:57

My Mum made her will long ago. She left a certain amount of money to an old friend, who died seven years ago. She now thinks she needs to change the will, or that money will go to his son, who she dislikes.

Is that the case? Or does the bequest to the friend become null and void?

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MouldyPotato · 11/07/2021 15:27

I'd change it to make it clear and unambiguous

PotteringAlong · 11/07/2021 15:28

Change it!

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 11/07/2021 15:30

I think she should add a codicil at least, just to avoid any future problems.

ShanghaiDiva · 11/07/2021 15:31

If the beneficiary has already died the gift will fail. The money will not go to the son unless provision was made for this eg my will contains a gift to x but if they predecease me it goes to y.

prh47bridge · 11/07/2021 16:15

ShanghaiDiva is correct. She doesn't need to do anything. The gift to the friend has lapsed so will go back into the estate to be distributed among the residual beneficiaries (i.e. those who get the estate after all the specific bequests have been distributed).

LizB62A · 11/07/2021 16:16

It all depends on how your mother's will is worded - best to check that then add a codicil if it's not 100% clear.

saraclara · 11/07/2021 16:34

I've not actually seen the will. So I can't be sure how it's worded. She's thinking she needs a codicil, but it's a bit tricky. She is sharp in many ways, but she is also showing signs of cognitive decline. She's paralysed down one side, but keeps telling me and others that she walked to the toilet etc. And today she told me she was partway through cooking a rhubarb crumble for her friend, and could I put the rhubarb that was in a pan in the hob, into a dish for her. She is entirely unable to do anything for herself, so of course there was no pan of rhubarb.
So I'm not sure that she's of sound mind for adding a codicil. Even though she's really sharp on the legal and financial stuff.

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ShanghaiDiva · 11/07/2021 16:40

If she’s happy for you to see the will it will be quite clear whether a codicil is required. If she has made a gift to x and no provision for what happens if x has predeceased her then no need for a codicil as explained above.

Kitkat151 · 11/07/2021 16:45

Capacity is decision specific....so she may have capacity for some things....but not for others

Brakebackcyclebot · 11/07/2021 16:47

Check the wording in the will.

Separate, does she have powers of attorney in place so that if she does lose capacity, someone else can make decisions on her behalf? A financial one and a health one.

DinosaurDiana · 11/07/2021 16:48

Change it quick !

saraclara · 11/07/2021 16:51

@ShanghaiDiva

If she’s happy for you to see the will it will be quite clear whether a codicil is required. If she has made a gift to x and no provision for what happens if x has predeceased her then no need for a codicil as explained above.
Unfortunately she doesn't have a copy that I can see. It's with other documents that are kept either with her solicitor or with the person who does all her financial admin etc. I'll look into that though. I should have pushed a bit more this morning and asked how to get hold of it, but I didn't want to sound as if I was being grabby!
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saraclara · 11/07/2021 16:53

@Brakebackcyclebot

Check the wording in the will.

Separate, does she have powers of attorney in place so that if she does lose capacity, someone else can make decisions on her behalf? A financial one and a health one.

I have POA for both. But have only needed to use it with her permission, to do stuff that she can't.
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ShanghaiDiva · 11/07/2021 16:55

@DinosaurDiana

Change it quick !
On what basis?
ShanghaiDiva · 11/07/2021 17:01

@saraclara
Yes, it can be tricky in these situations to find a balance between offering advice/explaining the law and not wishing to come across as wanting everything for yourself.

Cowbells · 11/07/2021 17:19

If she is declining as much as you say, I'd ask her to give you POA asap. She may be sharp about her financial affairs for now but if she is hallucinating rhubarb, she won't be for long and she'll need someone reliable to help her manage them.

saraclara · 11/07/2021 17:20

[quote ShanghaiDiva]@saraclara
Yes, it can be tricky in these situations to find a balance between offering advice/explaining the law and not wishing to come across as wanting everything for yourself.[/quote]
Exactly! The deceased friend's son treated my mum pretty badly. So the last thing she wants us for him to benefit. Especially as her care is taking pretty much everything she has. So it could well be that he gets everything that's left, and her children and grandchildren get nothing! I don't need my share of £5k, but it would be very distressing for her to realise that's what might happen, when she's on her death bed. That's my only motivation, but it might not look that way to others.

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lotsofchooksnducks · 11/07/2021 20:54

Just get a copy of the will (explain your mother has requested it) then get a Solictors to look at it and see if needs changing.

Iamalltheyhavenow · 11/07/2021 21:39

There is no need to change the will. The bequest to her friend became void when the friend died. If the friend had died after your Mum then it would form part of the friend's Estate. See here:

www.co-oplegalservices.co.uk/media-centre/articles-jan-march-2019/what-happens-in-probate-if-a-beneficiary-has-died/

saraclara · 11/07/2021 22:31

[quote Iamalltheyhavenow]There is no need to change the will. The bequest to her friend became void when the friend died. If the friend had died after your Mum then it would form part of the friend's Estate. See here:

www.co-oplegalservices.co.uk/media-centre/articles-jan-march-2019/what-happens-in-probate-if-a-beneficiary-has-died/[/quote]
Thanks. Now I just need to check that my mum didn't word it to go to the son if her friend died. When she made her will, they all got on fine and she was constantly singing the son's praises. It all turned bad later. So there's an outside chance that she allowed for him inheriting if his dad died.

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