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Council fine for dog on ‘red zone’

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FTEngineerM · 22/03/2021 15:31

Not legal but I couldn’t think of anywhere better.

Our local field allows dogs around the edges and a strip up the middle but not on the actual playing field pitch. This is depicted in signage at both ends (it’s also a public right of way through the field) by two red rectangles and a green border and a green line separating the two red rectangles. Great: usually they paint lines on the pitches so everyone knows the location of the boundary. Since March 2020 they have not painted lines on the pitch, the sports department at the council said ‘it’s because the field isn’t really used much for football anyway, but, with covid now we haven’t painted since March 2020 because organised sports haven’t been allowed, only basic maintenance like grass cutting (of the whole area not just the pitch)’.

Since the only way of knowing where the boundary is located is based on the line painting, how is it reasonable we’ve got a £100 fine for entering the ‘red zone’ when there is no clear boundary. There is no unit of measure provided on the signage only red rectangles. The plying fields have no physical boundary but the play area has a physical boundary fence to show you (and in normal times white lines on the pitch guide you on the field).

I want to dispute it but is that even worth it? I feel like their lack of maintenance and coronavirus has caused a blur in what used to be very black and white.

There is no way of knowing at present where the red zone starts, at all, but a council worker still chose to tell us we were in the red zone. Without being able to tell us exactly how he knew we were in the red zone.

Can anyone tell me if it’s going to be worth disputing the fine?

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FTEngineerM · 22/03/2021 15:34

Ignoring my crap description here’s a diagram

Council fine for dog on ‘red zone’
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Soubriquet · 22/03/2021 15:40

I would dispute it tbh

If they can’t hold up their end to make it clear, how can you follow the rules

I would also look at walking dogs somewhere else

That looks like a stupid set up

FTEngineerM · 22/03/2021 15:42

That’s on the way to the forest, so we walk along the edge field every day and have done for 3 years it’s mad that this one person today had a problem on the way back down the one side.

That’s what we thought, there’s no word on how to measure how far I am into the field from the edge nor are there markings?! Normally there are.

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FTEngineerM · 22/03/2021 15:43

Not today but we’ve had the letter today *

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Soubriquet · 22/03/2021 15:43

That has got to be one of the worst set ups really

I mean I understand not wanting to let dogs run on a playing field, but not letting them walk across it Confused

LaurieFairyCake · 22/03/2021 15:44

Have they provided a photo of you 'infringing' Confused

Unless they had a photo of my dog doing a very obvious shit in the middle I'd fight it all the way

That's stupid as fuck

nocoolnamesleft · 22/03/2021 15:44

You've walked it every day for 3 years but can't tell where you're allowed to walk if it isn't painted? Hmm.

FTEngineerM · 22/03/2021 15:48

No photo with the letter @LaurieFairyCake would it be worth asking?

Haha there was no shit in the field just walking on a lead on the edge. Apparently we were on the edge enough @nocoolnamesleft for this one particular worker.

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Easterbunnygettingready · 22/03/2021 15:52

Ime councils and ddogs are a nightmare combination..
Ask them to clarify where you ddog was walking. Offer to have CSI there to confirm /deny...

purplecorkheart · 22/03/2021 15:58

Are you sure it is not a prank/scam letter? How did they know what address to send the fine to? Could someone else walking a dog and got stopped and gave your address instead?. I would ring the where the fine is allegedly from but google the number rather than using the number on the letter. It seems a bit odd to me.

Soubriquet · 22/03/2021 16:00

Actually that’s a good point

How did they get your name and address?

FTEngineerM · 22/03/2021 16:11

It didn’t seem like a scam, and it’s an official letter from the council. We have our address, we spoke to him at the field.

Sorry if I didn’t make it clear, it’s not a random letter. He said we weren’t meant to be there but even on the day couldn’t describe where the cut off was. It’s only now after I’m thinking about how we would know and it’s the lines but they’re not there.

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LolaSmiles · 22/03/2021 16:17

I would dispute it.
If you were walking around the edge and they've not bothered to mark the lines on then that's the council's problem.

nocoolnamesleft
I took it to mean that the OP knows to walk around the edge, because that's what they do all the time, but if there's no markings then how are they to know if they've gone fractionally into a zone that the council haven't marked.

If the council person saw them straying in the middle of the field then that's one thing, but even the council worker couldn't say where exactly the cut off was, which suggests they were probably being a jobsworth to hit a target

Lastbonestanding · 22/03/2021 16:21

So someone who just wanders into the area and hadn't been there before is supposed to know they have to read the signs to check where they can walk.

FTEngineerM · 22/03/2021 16:21

That is correct @LolaSmiles except more succinctly that I put it, we were on the edge, the worker didn’t think we were close enough but IMO doesn’t have a way of actually quantifying how close we were.

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murbblurb · 22/03/2021 16:36

Your council monitor this? Mine do fuck all about barking dogs, local police are nicey nicey about dangerous dogs. Where do you live - I want to move there!!

ArcherDog · 22/03/2021 16:36

I work for a Council, enforcing PSPOs, and I don’t think we would successfully defend this in court, especially if there are usually painted lines and there aren’t any at the moment.

I would appeal.

FTEngineerM · 22/03/2021 16:58

To be fair it’s just a local field for local teams to practice on, it’s only yours/your neighbour/neighbours kids who’d get dog shit on their faces if they fell and nobody wants to do that so I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone just waltzing around the middle of the field and letting their dog taking a shit.

Ok thanks everyone I think I’ll write the letter.
Thanks for the insight @ArcherDog.

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FawnDrench · 22/03/2021 18:56

Don't forget to take photos of the unmarked area so you have dated proof of the state of the field and lack of demarcation.

FTEngineerM · 27/04/2021 11:02

Just wanted to update Smile

They cancelled the fine due to the fact the line markings haven’t been painted.

Win.

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SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 27/04/2021 11:07

A rare triumph for common sense! :)

FTEngineerM · 27/04/2021 16:31

Yes! I almost didn’t write the letter too, thanks everyone.

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